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Epic High Five posted:doesn't stop him from giving an enormous platform to the dumbest and most evil people in this demon cracker nation so what the gently caress does his opinion here matter? he'll keep doing it gleefully because it makes him rich, gently caress him I don't watch or listen to him but his clips appear semi-frequently on more progressive channels and it's usually Rogan owning one of his guests. I'd prefer he not have them as guests but if he does, the fact he makes Rubin, Peterson, Sargon, etc. look like fools is something I can appreciate. I'm not saying he's a good person, I was responding to the idea that anyone who listens to him is beyond hope. I'm not sure if that's true. Maybe it is but I've seen far, far worse.
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uncurable mlady posted:realistically, it'd be far more productive to mainstream the idea that you can call people out on their stupid loving ideas (and not in a altright 'debate me, coward' way) and stop giving a poo poo about decorum around political thought.
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NikkolasKing posted:I don't watch or listen to him but his clips appear semi-frequently on more progressive channels and it's usually Rogan owning one of his guests. I'd prefer he not have them as guests but if he does, the fact he makes Rubin, Peterson, Sargon, etc. look like fools is something I can appreciate. owning them or whatever is wholly irrelevant, there's a reason why reactionary fuckers adore getting debates where they get owned but are terrified of being deplatformed entirely, it's because things like facts and analysis aren't relevant to their worldviews or what their fans use to assess their effectiveness. Their goal is literally to just get their message out to as many people as possible to rope in dumbshits who think maybe Rogan was being too harsh about how the Jews created AIDS to genocide the white race which is why they all love Rogan so much Rogan is basically like a Hillary tier liberal AT BEST and makes a killing getting played like a fiddle nonstop by the worst people in the world who themselves profit enormously by his gracious platforming the real world isn't like a UN club debate scenario where one side emphatically wins and the other is defeated, nobody actually thinks like that except bougie affluent morons to whom politics is just team sports, everybody else is "my guy just had his message heard by 13 million people, that's a win we're winning hell yeah" and anything else is just loving noise
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Terrible Opinions posted:He treats Peterson like he's anything other than a monstrous quack. That alone should let you know that he doesn't call anyone out on bad ideas. i didn't say he did, i was speaking more generally. i think rogan's a dumbass that hosts other dumbasses, but most americans are dumbasses and you're better off trying to reach people via persuasive leftists vs. being a joyless scold. hell, if bernie went on rogan you'd probably convert half the country into dsa members overnight.
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uncurable mlady posted:i didn't say he did, i was speaking more generally. i think rogan's a dumbass that hosts other dumbasses, but most americans are dumbasses and you're better off trying to reach people via persuasive leftists vs. being a joyless scold. how many socialists and anarchists does he have on compared to fringe right reactionaries and literal nazis
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Epic High Five posted:how many socialists and anarchists does he have on compared to fringe right reactionaries and literal nazis i don't know, i don't listen to him and i don't know anyone who listens to him because i'm not a dumbass
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gently caress all fascists and gently caress everybody who gives them a platform for any reason, without exception
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Epic High Five posted:gently caress all fascists and gently caress everybody who gives them a platform for any reason, without exception This, and also nth-ing the "fastest way to cure a prole of war thirst is to get them into a war" chat. It wasn't instantaneous, but seeing firsthand how much I was being lied to was pretty key for my growing up into a human instead of a screeching bigot like my father, which I was totally primed to do in my 20s.
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I have an MMA forum gang tag and Rogan is a loving idiot who at this point deserves to be tarred and feathered for platforming shitheads like Alex Jones and Gavin McInnes. He doesn't "own" or "Challenge" them. He sits there and lets them talk and goes "woah." Plus he's fabulously wealthy, and he got there through good luck and having rich friends, and he acts as if he bootstrapped himself through hard work and special genius, and that anyone who isn't rich and full of steroids is somehow a moral failure who didn't work hard enough. gently caress Joe Rogan.
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fool_of_sound posted:Like even if your intended message was 'black people have been horribly oppressed BUT they shouldn't kill and enslave all the white people in revenge' they should have had Killmonger get redeemed at the end and team up with the ostensible hero to export liberation in an egalitarian way and not just 'eh let's build some rec centers'. There's probably a lot of smart words out there on this exact topic but I think a big part of why these superhero (more like superZERO) movies are so easy to interpret as reactionary is because they are always about defending a status quo or restoring a lost one. A lot of the time this isn't obviously flawed, like Batman is often about stopping a weird clown who kills for fun, as a self-contained story that's not too bad. And the invasion of genocidal aliens/wizards/monsters is a nice easy way to have an issue that threatens the world in an unambiguous way. But then when you halfway humanise the antagonists and give them goals/causes which aren't pure magical bullshit, you run into the problem where the only person trying to change the world at all is by default the villain, and the status quo is the modern, flawed world which must never change. Thanos kills half of everyone, that's bad, but did Spider-Man or Tony Stark ever try to address overpopulation, resource shortages or imperialism killing both halves? Bane executed rich people and dropped all the cops in a hole, but why did the whole city love him for doing it  Killmonger is a violent revolutionary who wants change at any cost, so the protagonist is a monarch who teams up with the CIA to stall African self-determination, because he'd rather have the USA using Wakandan tech to drone bomb weddings in Nigeria than Nigerians use Wakandan tech to shoot down those drones. Because that's the status quo. If you had a hero or charming villain actually try to fix the present world, and succeed or fail sympathetically, then you'd be criticising the status quo for not being as good as it could be. And that way lies, I dunno, Marxism or something.
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i wouldn't even describe rogan as a Hillary tier liberal because that would imply he has some kind of belief system. hes an idiot who had milo on his show and routinely described him as a "comedian" who "likes to troll" because hes totally on board with the bullshit of liberal college safe spaces to the point where he named an album "triggered" (which i will admit i have not listened to) he also doesn't seem to actually have learned anything about having a platform a platform that reaches millions. when i listened the closest i heard to him acknowledging this is musing how maybe having an aids denialist on without having a rebuttal from a medical professional might not have been the best idea. at best hes a useful idiot for nazis. hell, there was that photo where he was having dinner with Jordan beebs and others. he likely views them as friends and fellow entertainers like him just trying to work as much as they can in the groove they've made for themselves also i loving hated how every other episode his stupid stoner rear end would spend upward of an hour commenting on boxing youtubes, which is just loving brilliant for a podcast and not at all infuriaratingly boring
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"i literally started this social club to beat up liberals" "whoa ok gavin maybe you want to dial it back a bit so you don't get in legal trouble?" is what he contributes to society at this point
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cumshitter posted:also i loving hated how every other episode his stupid stoner rear end would spend upward of an hour commenting on boxing youtubes, which is just loving brilliant for a podcast and not at all infuriaratingly boring If he went back to doing this full time I'd start watching him again.
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Also yeah it was pretty funny how all cops being tossed in a hole and the rich being guillotined was enormously popular and this fact was never examined despite being taken at face value
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The recent Robin Hood movie is super overt social commentary, to the point that the bizarre anachronisms and devices used in it pulled it out of the typically deathly stale Robin Hood historical drama/action and into a downright surreal violent communist revolution in Ye Olde England. The opening scenes in the Holy Land is a recreation of Coalition troops grinding through urban combat in Iraq, complete with a medieval automatic ballista pinning them down like a machine gun, and danger close artillery support from trebuchets. The Sherriff of Nottingham is a corrupt bastard who whips the peasants into supporting the interminable Crusade by actually, literally saying "They hate us for our freedoms" and promising that if the Muslim is not defeated at Acre they'll invade Nottingham next. In a drunk moment of openness he reveals he was molested as a child by his fellow rich bastards but can't do anything to them, so he settles for everyone weaker for him. The Cardinal from Rome is funnelling the war taxes to support Muslim generals, so that the Crusade lasts forever. Robin Hood recruits an army of bandana Antifa with molotovs to fight faceless riot cops who try to kettle them, only to be betrayed by a Decorum Liberal who becomes the new Sherriff. At no point does anyone say "oh the reason everything is bad is because of Prince John, King Richard will come back and fix everything". The movie is 100% about killing cops and addressing the material circumstances of the working class. Is it a good movie? I don't know. Was it confusing and weird? Yes. Did it actually comment on real world issues beyond "No, you actually love the way everything is!"? Yes. Compare to the older Russell Crowe Robin Hood which opens with some cool peasants seeing the awfulness of war and scamming the nobility in revenge, then dissolves into a weird French conspiracy and how Russell Crowe's dad invented the Constitution in the 12th century. e: and one of the side antagonists is a spec ops SAS guy who is basically just Captain Price from Call of Duty, who just loves killing and torturing prisoners in service to the crown. Skellybones has issued a correction as of 06:06 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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He had Les Stroud from Survivorman on once and the two of them got shithoused and spent a bunch of time dunking on Bear Grylls and that was a fun listen, but his willingness to platform the scum of humanity means that he's just another goddamm parasite.
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snoremac posted:Christmas family update: War with who?
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pushpins posted:War with who? Iran, probably, but any brown will do.
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Skellybones posted:There's probably a lot of smart words out there on this exact topic but I think a big part of why these superhero (more like superZERO) movies are so easy to interpret as reactionary is because they are always about defending a status quo or restoring a lost one. A lot of the time this isn't obviously flawed, like Batman is often about stopping a weird clown who kills for fun, as a self-contained story that's not too bad. And the invasion of genocidal aliens/wizards/monsters is a nice easy way to have an issue that threatens the world in an unambiguous way. Infinity War would have legit been a better film if they stuck with his comic origin and it wa5 just him trying to kill people so Death (A big tiddy skeleton) would want to gently caress him.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Infinity War would have legit been a better film if they stuck with his comic origin and it wa5 just him trying to kill people so Death (A big tiddy skeleton) would want to gently caress him. Too relatable
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Infinity War would have legit been a better film if they stuck with his comic origin and it wa5 just him trying to kill people so Death (A big tiddy skeleton) would want to gently caress him. Makes sense  The way it stands now, not only is Thanos presented as a guy who makes Hard Choices to save (half of) everyone, he actually succeeded in his plan and is proven to be strong and smart and cool. He swept away the ineffectual status-quo defending Liberal Decorum Squad that tried to save everyone by papering over problems and owned them so hard the snarky millennial turned to dust. I wonder why CHUDS like him
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I haven't seen Infinity War yet but it's on Netflix now and I am going to watch it New Years Eve with my girl
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Infinity War would have legit been a better film if they stuck with his comic origin and it wa5 just him trying to kill people so Death (A big tiddy skeleton) would want to gently caress him.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Infinity War would have legit been a better film if they stuck with his comic origin and it wa5 just him trying to kill people so Death (A big tiddy skeleton) would want to gently caress him. So do they gently caress?
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pushpins posted:War with who? khorne cares not where the blood flows
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Zeroisanumber posted:So do they gently caress? no Death is basically constantly turning him into an Incel
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Smirking_Serpent posted:no Death is basically constantly turning him into an Incel cucked by Deadpool I'm not kidding
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Zeroisanumber posted:So do they gently caress? Nah she basically calls him a huge loser weirdo and goes and makes out with her boyfriend Deadpool.
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Zeroisanumber posted:So do they gently caress? nah it's one of the only good parts of the whole story if anyone could get the concept "she's not into you, dude" through his skull all of this could have been avoided, but he is sufficiently lovesick for her he ends up taking the advice of Literally Satan saying "hey what if you gave all the heroes a chance to beat you and then fought them all at once, chicks love that poo poo" he is then genuinely surprised when Literally Satan turns out to have been lying to him
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a.lo posted:I haven't seen Infinity War yet but it's on Netflix now and I am going to watch it New Years Eve with my girl i'm watching it now, a 2.5 hour romp where half of everyone gets owned and special effects mans occasionally crack wise
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Thanos just wanted a big tiddy goth gf, and like us, can never have one.
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Palemdromes posted:Thanos just wanted a big tiddy goth gf, and like us, can never have one. become the big tiddy goth gf you want to see in the world
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Palemdromes posted:Thanos just wanted a big tiddy goth gf, and like us, can never have one. big tiddies, not fat, actually goth choose two
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but seriously i am about to see this movie with my girlfriend tomorrow (new years eve) she’s slready seen it
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Ghost Leviathan posted:cucked by Deadpool This is the greatest possible ending and would almost make the slog of watching part 1 worth it
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we must secure a future for our children who must someday fight the gorillas once they organize. man, gorillas are beasts. imagine how smart a gorilla would become if they smoked dmt. jamie, play that video where a gorilla takes over a playground and beats up all the children who try to play with it
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a.lo posted:but seriously i am about to see this movie with my girlfriend tomorrow (new years eve) she’s slready seen it i like almost all of the marvel movies. I saw infinity war alone, completely sober, and it was pretty underwhelming. way too much going on. not worth explaining. just kinda eh. I saw it again when i was high and with my friends and it was way better. so my advice to you is to make sure you're not sober and you can get through it.
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a.lo posted:but seriously i am about to see this movie with my girlfriend tomorrow (new years eve) she’s slready seen it i still have 40 minutes to go and honestly i have not once cared at all about what happens to any of these people the kid seems like an alright spiderman though
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a.lo posted:but seriously i am about to see this movie with my girlfriend tomorrow (new years eve) she’s slready seen it It's solid if you have kept up with the whole MCU. Pretty underwhelming if not. Much better than Black Panther either way. Thanos is an interesting villain.
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