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selec posted:It’s way more complicated than that. Was what happened to Cosby a mob? It’s what it took to get justice; it took another comedian making jokes he thought wouldn’t leave the room being recorded, and Twitter having a collective WTF moment that actually got the ball rolling on locking that monster up. That's the point, tho. Ebola or zombies can be "good" too because sometimes they kill the people we don't like or people who deserve it but it's not a reliable way to solve problems. It's loving ludicrous that Cosby got away with what he did for so long and that it took Hannibal Buress mocking him in a throwaway joke to get the ball rolling. Twitter flipping out didn't cause Cosby to end up in prison. The court system did. The dumb, lovely, corrupt court system. Hopefully the same thing happens to Weinstein. The problem is not the attention and light being thrown on potential assholes, but there is a system for that. If Aziz Ansari did something criminal then press charges. If he was a weird creep on a date I guess tell people on the internet and other people can choose not to see his lovely standup specials. But as lovely as the legal system is it's at least kinda sorta a system. Mob justice is a lovely thing because it's just random people getting outraged over something they kind heard in a random tweet. And I have no idea how to fix that problem, but it shouldn't be encouraged.
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Stereotype posted:The thing that annoys me about the outrage at Louis CK and Aziz Ansari is that they were both accused around the same time as Al Franken and all of them are just leagues below the real incredibly serious sex pests that had been the focus before them. CK seems like a total weirdo with some very weird and uncomfortable tastes, but that is what pretty much all of his early comedy is about. describing repeatedly non-consensually masturbating in front of women - particularly ones in your industry that are less famous than you and fear for their careers if they speak about it publicly - as "weird and uncomfortable tastes" says more about you than anything else
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Can we do a NY resolution derail? Mine are learn to sketch (thanks RDR2), do more yoga and pay off half my debt. About 3.5k
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what a prick. Stereotype posted:The thing that annoys me about the outrage at Louis CK and Aziz Ansari is that they were both accused around the same time as Al Franken and all of them are just leagues below the real incredibly serious sex pests that had been the focus before them. CK seems like a total weirdo with some very weird and uncomfortable tastes, but that is what pretty much all of his early comedy is about. Ansari and Franken basically just made someone uncomfortable, but then didn't do anything else. i think alot of people are mostly rightfully subscribed to the "Don't grade Evil, for you might be tempted to allie with the least one" mantra which i can understand. i think ansari and CK are gross fuckers and franken should have known better(to say the least) but they are all bad and lovely. that being said i think some of these dudes are much worse then other dudes. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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Lightning Knight posted:Asher Smith wrote a criticism of a farm-related bill by Tammy Baldwin for Current Affairs that is interesting to read. It endlessly astounds me just how severely hosed up every aspect of our agricultural system is. The plant based products already go out of the way to advertise they're in no way dairy based.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Your candidate is supposed to earn votes dude. What an obnoxious entitled attitide this is. It’s your job as a voter to select the best person suited for the job, and in that election that choice had never been more obvious. Trying to say its her fault for not ”earning” the votes is just the cowards excuse for not accepting responsibility for not voting for the morally right choice. Also she loving earned the vote by dint of not being a fascist, you turd.
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Stereotype posted:The thing that annoys me about the outrage at Louis CK and Aziz Ansari is that they were both accused around the same time as Al Franken and all of them are just leagues below the real incredibly serious sex pests that had been the focus before them. CK seems like a total weirdo with some very weird and uncomfortable tastes, but that is what pretty much all of his early comedy is about. Ansari and Franken basically just made someone uncomfortable, but then didn't do anything else. They're all bad op
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McCloud posted:What an obnoxious entitled attitide this is. It’s your job as a voter to select the best person suited for the job, and in that election that choice had never been more obvious. Trying to say its her fault for not ”earning” the votes is just the cowards excuse for not accepting responsibility for not voting for the morally right choice. Also she loving earned the vote by dint of not being a fascist, you turd. Well poo poo, why campaign at all!
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Louis CK got fully nude and masturbated in front of women who did not give consent. He took what is likely a real sex issue that he has and abused women with it. He was doing this as far back as 2002, per reports. To be clear, he either invited, or was invited into, a private space with woman(en), asked if he could whip his dick out, either got a ‘no’ or non-response and then did it anyway. Many times. It doesn’t seem like everyone in the conversation understands that what he did was abuse. skylined! fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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not much to learn here, but it's interesting that Patten is still cooperating and that cooperation is still under seal. https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1079806068056834048
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Your candidate is supposed to earn votes dude. Don't consider the specifics of the candidates and instead imagine voting for either Herp or Derp. You know the majority of the population will stick to voting for the explicit candidates listed. Your actions are either vote for Herp, Derp, decline to vote, or vote for something else entirely. The only difference between the last two choices is the fact that one is still a participating political action. However they end up accomplishing the same thing in the end. I just hope the 2016 election shined some light on that. e: "That" being you should not rely on the majority to make decisions that you assume will all turn out for the best. CmdrRiker fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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CommieGIR posted:Wow, Louis really wants to burn whatever bridges he has left. He can make more money as right-wing rear end in a top hat comedian than as token liberal douchebag “feminist” man.
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McCloud posted:What an obnoxious entitled attitide this is. It’s your job as a voter to select the best person suited for the job, and in that election that choice had never been more obvious. Trying to say its her fault for not ”earning” the votes is just the cowards excuse for not accepting responsibility for not voting for the morally right choice. Also she loving earned the vote by dint of not being a fascist, you turd. Voters don’t care about your feelings.
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skylined! posted:Louis CK got fully nude and masturbated in front of women who did not give consent. He took what is likely a real sex issue that he has and abused women with it. He was doing this as far back as 2002, per reports. yeah for real, he wasn't some 'weird' guy - he got off on non-consensual abuse of his power, knowing that the younger and less successful comedians he did this to would be afraid of killing their careers, and it worked for YEARS and was practically an open secret
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ricecult posted:That's disappointing, but in a weird way I find the whole first half of it to be even dumber than the Parkland comments. He's a middle aged millionaire sexpest angry complaining about how kids these days don't do things to piss him off (which should look exactly like it did when he was young), which pisses him off? It lacks any semblance of self awareness or logic at all. You can kinda see how he flew down a rabbit hole there. The premise of being a gently caress up as a kid and now the kids are testifying in front of congress is a good setup, but then taking it to "SHUT THE gently caress UP, DUMMIES!" is not the right choice. Yeah, he may have lost it.
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thegalagakid posted:It endlessly astounds me just how severely hosed up every aspect of our agricultural system is. The plant based products already go out of the way to advertise they're in no way dairy based. Yeah. I’m tempted to email her office and say hey pls no but I move to Texas literally tomorrow and I know she isn’t gonna drop it either way. :c
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Can we do a NY resolution derail? Wow look at captain money bags over here
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Koalas Massacre posted:I can't imagine why the dude with a long rapsheet of sexism and defending dogwhistle racism would be upset with people who do the same or worse facing consequences. I don't know who you are describing but it sure as poo poo isn't me. Sorry we disagree on the Internet.
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Ague Proof posted:In 2012 she was against the incumbent, popular Scott Brown. Getting only 60% of the vote in a blue wave in Massachusetts is bad, it's the same that Klobuchar got. He wasn't popular, given that he lost. And I'm not sure what data points you're basing that second statement off, since she's about on par with what Markey has gotten and before that the senators from MA were Kerry and Kennedy for decades and neither are your typical candidates
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Stereotype posted:The thing that annoys me about the outrage at Louis CK and Aziz Ansari is that they were both accused around the same time as Al Franken and all of them are just leagues below the real incredibly serious sex pests that had been the focus before them. CK seems like a total weirdo with some very weird and uncomfortable tastes, but that is what pretty much all of his early comedy is about. Ansari and Franken basically just made someone uncomfortable, but then didn't do anything else. Counterpoint: eke out posted:describing repeatedly non-consensually masturbating in front of women - particularly ones in your industry that are less famous than you and fear for their careers if they speak about it publicly - as "weird and uncomfortable tastes" says more about you than anything else In Ansari's case I'll acknowledge the media coverage sometimes gave a misleading impression (but even then, I don't think he experienced very serious consequences over it), but Franken was accused by multiple women of outright groping them (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken#Sexual_misconduct_allegations for details). The subtext of Sterotype's post is essentially "it's OK when people I like do it."
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McCloud posted:What an obnoxious entitled attitide this is. It’s your job as a voter to select the best person suited for the job, and in that election that choice had never been more obvious. Trying to say its her fault for not ”earning” the votes is just the cowards excuse for not accepting responsibility for not voting for the morally right choice. Also she loving earned the vote by dint of not being a fascist, you turd. I get where you're coming from, and for reference I voted for H even though I didn't particularly like her at the time, but showing up and towing the line seems to be a very real way to give up your power as a voter. I tell this to my republican family when they toss out all of trump's atrocities with a 'but abortion' hand wave. If you will, in the end, always show up and vote for your party then your party isn't going to give a gently caress about you. I say that will full understanding that if ever there was a time to suck it up and tow the line, 2016 was probably it. I just don't like the idea of always doing it.
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Lightning Knight posted:He can make more money as right-wing rear end in a top hat comedian than as token liberal douchebag “feminist” man. I also think he openly knows what he is saying is wrong, he's not a moron. Whatever, he can live that hell life if he wants to. I hope his daughters openly alienate him when they become adults.
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Aziz Ansari seems to have learned everything he knows about sex from pornos and this is why we need educational pornos. Where the guy accidentally gets his watch band caught in the lady's hair and the lady knees him in the balls while trying to get it fixed.
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Push El Burrito posted:Aziz Ansari seems to have learned everything he knows about sex from pornos and this is why we need educational pornos. Where the guy accidentally gets his watch band caught in the lady's hair and the lady knees him in the balls while trying to get it fixed. I'm pretty sure you're describing an already existing, robust subgenre of porn actually
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McCloud posted:What an obnoxious entitled attitide this is. It’s your job as a voter to select the best person suited for the job, and in that election that choice had never been more obvious. Trying to say its her fault for not ”earning” the votes is just the cowards excuse for not accepting responsibility for not voting for the morally right choice. Also she loving earned the vote by dint of not being a fascist, you turd. Hahaha this take is trash
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McCloud posted:What an obnoxious entitled attitide this is. It’s your job as a voter In fact you have to take a day off at your actual job to do it. Voting is the opposite of a job.
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Riptor posted:He wasn't popular, given that he lost. Nate agrees she’s on a downward slide https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1079791511313633290?s=21
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CmdrRiker posted:Don't consider the specifics of the candidates
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AlternateNu posted:For a guy born in 1937, George Carlin was a loving progressive champ. Kill your heroes and all that. But I have no qualms with liking Carlin. Whoosh. (He died, thus by definition he's not okay!)
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1079729696726835200 Oh, he only wants half of what he originally asked for for his giant monument to racism? Well all right then! No deal. He said he'd sign a clean CR. The Senate passed a clean CR, and the House should continue passing clean bills and sending them to Mitch McConnell--then go on a full-court media press asking why McConnell can't put country over party. skylined! posted:Nate agrees she’s on a downward slide Disagree on the last sentence; she won 60% of the vote in November. That's maybe underperforming by a few percentage points for your average Senate candidate, but she's got Kennedy and Kerry's legacies averaged in with her, and those guys used to win by even bigger landslides.
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Silver2195 posted:In Ansari's case I'll acknowledge the media coverage sometimes gave a misleading impression (but even then, I don't think he experienced very serious consequences over it), but Franken was accused by multiple women of outright groping them (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken#Sexual_misconduct_allegations for details). The subtext of Sterotype's post is essentially "it's OK when people I like do it." A more generous interpretation of the post would be something along the lines of "lumping all offenses under the same banner makes light of the worst problems" or something along those lines, except the problem is that they're all bad and historically "well it's not that bad, it could have been worse, look at X" has been an excuse used to justify all sorts of heinous behavior.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Voting isn't a job champ. The counterpoint to the protest (non)vote is simply a picture of dead children created by republican policy but ya it’s a tough nuanced debate.
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Yeah, I'm glad I never found him to be remotely funny in any way now. Does Chapelle still do standup?
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skylined! posted:The counterpoint to the protest (non)vote is simply a picture of dead children created by republican policy but ya it’s a tough nuanced debate. Whereas the Democrat agenda is puppies and rainbows
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bobua posted:I get where you're coming from, and for reference I voted for H even though I didn't particularly like her at the time, but showing up and towing the line seems to be a very real way to give up your power as a voter. Thats why primaries exist imo.vote for the better candidate always, and if/when they lose you vote for the lesser of evils. It sucks, but not voting at all is always more detrimental to your cause, imo Nonsense posted:Voters don’t care about your feelings. No clearly, american voters only seem to be motivated by spite Ate My Balls Redux posted:Hahaha this take is trash Nah its totally correct and you’re dumb for disagreeing. Glad we settled that
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Oh, he only wants half of what he originally asked for for his giant monument to racism? Well all right then! I'm not sure if this sentiment will hold, but most MA voters don't really seem that excited about her running for president: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...v9nK/story.html Granted, she's more of a national politician at this point and would probably walk away with MA in the primary (if she's still around by that point) / general if she runs.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Whereas the Democrat agenda is puppies and rainbows Not yet it isn’t. 
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