Motronic posted:

That is certainly NOT the reasoning I've heard. Try "poor people, especially in cities, are unlikely to have state issued ID because they don't drive/own a car and few have any reason to haul their rear end out to a DMV to get a non-driver's ID, so requiring state ID is a barrier to voting. Barriers to voting are bad. The stated reason for needing this barrier (in person voter fraud) is statistically invalid."

therobit posted:

Yes by all means let's call every person who disagrees with us a Nazi instead of realizing they don't have perfect information or understanding and working from there. This will surely not turn off middle of the road low information voters when you call them a nazi because they don't understand why voter ID is bad.

Edit: Look at your response and then look at Motronic's response. Which one is mone likely to change somebody's mind? Which one looks like an unhinged freak screaming at clouds?

DeadMansSuspenders posted:

How did no one just reply to this handsign chat?

revmoo posted:

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. You have to have an ID to do pretty much anything in life. Poor people have ID.

quote:

“The SNAP/Food Stamp caseworker is required to verify your identity. 7 CFR 273.2(f). There are many ways, however, that you may verify your identity. A photo ID is only one way. You should not be denied SNAP/Food Stamps simply because you do not have a photo ID. To prove who you are, you can use such things as a work or school ID, an ID for health benefits, an ID from another social services program such as TANF, wage stubs, a birth certificate, or a voter registration card. The SNAP/Food Stamp caseworker can also verify your identity by calling a “collateral contact” who can confirm you who are. Shelter workers and employers are examples of possible collateral contacts. If you have no paper documentation of who you are, you should ask the SNAP/Food Stamp caseworker to call a collateral contact.

“Homeless households are not required to verify where they live. If you are living in a shelter, however, it may be helpful to bring a letter to the SNAP/Food Stamp office which is written by a shelter employee and says that you are living in the shelter.”

Pirate Radar posted:

If the Founding Fathers had wanted me to show somebody a little piece of plastic before exercising my Christ-given rights they'd have written it into the Constitution.

Leon Einstein posted:

I don't think the guy saying the left wing says black people are too dumb to get IDs is arguing from a place of ignorance.

Smirking_Serpent posted:

Boyfriend dumped me over my mother not letting us have alone time...advice?

Some backstory here....my boyfriend [44M] and I [27F] have been dating for about 5 months and we have known each other for almost a year. It is a great relationship, no arguing. We do things with our kids together. Everything is wonderful.

However, everytime we want a night or time to ourselves and I ask my mom to babysit (which she offers), she always blows up my phone with texts or phonecalls about my son. We have only been on 2 actual evening dates by ourselves, unless we both have the day off (which the kids are in school). I previously won NHL tickets, glass seats and 2 hours prior my mom calls and starts blowing up my phone how I choose hockey over my son and its not fair to him. I have only been on 2 dates with him otherwise, my son is with me.

Last night, we wanted a quiet NYE night together, I was going to bring my son to sleep over at his house and my mom offers to take him. From 10pm to 5am I got 25 phone calls and 34 text messages about my son saying he is having trouble sleeping. I was sleeping myself so I didn't hear anything. This morning I hear the phone I get it, she demands I come home ASAP. I come home at 5:18am and she is fine and my son is fine.

I text my boyfriend and call him. no answer. I go to his house and he breaks up with me saying that he loves me but the situation is very hard. He doesn't want to be in the middle of my mom and I so based on that, he has to break it off with me. I'm heart broken. Even though we have only dated for 5 months, we have done everything with the kids together and spent so much time together. I don't know what to do. He says he loves me, but based on the situtation he can't be the reason why it causes tension in my mom's household

​**TL;DR;** My boyfriend who I see having a future with, dumped me because my mother makes it hard for him and I to spend any real alone time together. She blows up my phone everytime with concerns with my son, however when I come home nothing is wrong. Last night: 25 phone calls and 34 texts. The first time spending the night by myself at his place.

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

now watch in amazement as he fails to reply to the post stating “actually many poor people find it very difficult to obtain one of the approved forms of ID”! it’s like magic!

blarzgh posted:

All this presupposes he's not allowed to have the opinion that "voter fraud and illegal voting is a bigger problem than people not being able to get a voter ID, who still want to vote."

I don't feel that way, and I don't think statistics would show that either one is actually much of an issue, but couldn't reasonable people disagree on which value should take precedence?

blarzgh posted:

All this presupposes he's not allowed to have the opinion that "voter fraud and illegal voting is a bigger problem than people not being able to get a voter ID, who still want to vote."

I don't feel that way, and I don't think statistics would show that either one is actually much of an issue, but couldn't reasonable people disagree on which value should take precedence?

Smirking_Serpent posted:

Am I The rear end in a top hat for getting my roommate's annoying friend arrested?

quote:

He says none of that matters, I only called the cops out of irrational hate against Mike.

revmoo posted:

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. You have to have an ID to do pretty much anything in life. Poor people have ID. It's really projecting to say that lower class folks don't have ID. If you're so poor that you can't get to the DMV, how exactly are you identifying yourself for government assistance?

Now in fairness I definitely think IDs should be free from the state. It's insane that any states charge any amount of money for ID, but that's a separate issue.

blarzgh posted:

All this presupposes he's not allowed to have the opinion that "voter fraud and illegal voting is a bigger problem than people not being able to get a voter ID, who still want to vote."

I don't feel that way, and I don't think statistics would show that either one is actually much of an issue, but couldn't reasonable people disagree on which value should take precedence?

Smirking_Serpent posted:

Am I The rear end in a top hat for getting my roommate's annoying friend arrested?

My roommate has this friend, let's call him Mike. Mike is a bit of a dick and a horrible guest. He's the type of person who will come to your home, ask for Coke, be offered Pepsi, accept it, and then spill it on your carpet just to be like "gently caress Pepsi am I right hahahahahahaha". He's the type of person who will delete your stuff on your Xbox One to make space for his poo poo. He's the type of person who eats everything with his hands and wipes his fingers on your couch. He's the type of person who will go to your bathroom, take a poo poo, and then drop a full loving roll of toilet paper into the toilet. (I don't mean he used a lot of toilet paper. I mean he literally took a fresh roll from under the sink and splashed it right in. Still have no clue why he did this.)

Mike thinks all of this is acceptable. My roommate enables him. They know I'll always be cleaning it up, as I seem to be the only person with maturity.

After the toilet paper incident I tried to talk to my roommate. I said it's fine if he wants to stay friends with Mike but please keep him out of our apartment. My roommate said no. Mike is "a great guy" and I cannot stop him from having whoever he wants in an apartment we share.

That's the background. Now the potential assholery:

They were having drinks and discussing guns. Mike mentions having his concealed carry handgun on him. I hear this conversation from another room and I realize, holy poo poo, he's drinking, I can get him arrested for that. So I excuse myself to "go out for a walk" and call 911 from my car.

Fast forward to now. My roommate is pissed at me for "snitching." I've explained how dangerous it is someone under the influence of alcohol to have a deadly weapon. He says none of that matters, I only called the cops out of irrational hate against Mike.

I'm thinking he might have a point. On that night, I was not really concerned about the gun. I only wanted Mike gone. I even ended up endangering the lives of some police officers.

AITA?

Smirking_Serpent posted:

Am I The rear end in a top hat for getting my roommate's annoying friend arrested?

My roommate has this friend, let's call him Mike. Mike is a bit of a dick and a horrible guest. He's the type of person who will come to your home, ask for Coke, be offered Pepsi, accept it, and then spill it on your carpet just to be like "gently caress Pepsi am I right hahahahahahaha". He's the type of person who will delete your stuff on your Xbox One to make space for his poo poo. He's the type of person who eats everything with his hands and wipes his fingers on your couch. He's the type of person who will go to your bathroom, take a poo poo, and then drop a full loving roll of toilet paper into the toilet. (I don't mean he used a lot of toilet paper. I mean he literally took a fresh roll from under the sink and splashed it right in. Still have no clue why he did this.)

Mike thinks all of this is acceptable. My roommate enables him. They know I'll always be cleaning it up, as I seem to be the only person with maturity.

After the toilet paper incident I tried to talk to my roommate. I said it's fine if he wants to stay friends with Mike but please keep him out of our apartment. My roommate said no. Mike is "a great guy" and I cannot stop him from having whoever he wants in an apartment we share.

That's the background. Now the potential assholery:

They were having drinks and discussing guns. Mike mentions having his concealed carry handgun on him. I hear this conversation from another room and I realize, holy poo poo, he's drinking, I can get him arrested for that. So I excuse myself to "go out for a walk" and call 911 from my car.

Fast forward to now. My roommate is pissed at me for "snitching." I've explained how dangerous it is someone under the influence of alcohol to have a deadly weapon. He says none of that matters, I only called the cops out of irrational hate against Mike.

I'm thinking he might have a point. On that night, I was not really concerned about the gun. I only wanted Mike gone. I even ended up endangering the lives of some police officers.

AITA?

therobit posted:

Yes by all means let's call every person who disagrees with us a Nazi instead of realizing they don't have perfect information or understanding and working from there. This will surely not turn off middle of the road low information voters when you call them a nazi because they don't understand why voter ID is bad.

Edit: Look at your response and then look at Motronic's response. Which one is mone likely to change somebody's mind? Which one looks like an unhinged freak screaming at clouds?

CheesyDog posted:

therobit posted:

Man, those black Nazis and their secret Nazi OK symbol.

Popular Human posted:

He’s probably ghosting her, but this was literally me a year ago. Turned out I have sleep apnea.

If boyfriend isn’t a jerk, get him a CPAP and he’ll feel like a new man.

therobit posted:

Yes by all means let's call every person who disagrees with us a Nazi instead of realizing they don't have perfect information or understanding and working from there. This will surely not turn off middle of the road low information voters when you call them a nazi because they don't understand why voter ID is bad.

Edit: Look at your response and then look at Motronic's response. Which one is mone likely to change somebody's mind? Which one looks like an unhinged freak screaming at clouds?

therobit posted:

Man, those black Nazis and their secret Nazi OK symbol.

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quote:

We've been together just under a year, and I very much love him. I tore my ACL playing soccer and am in physical therapy right now to get my full range of motion back. I'm at about 90% but I haven't done my normal gym routine in a long time and it's been hard getting back into it. For New Years, my resolution has been to get back into my normal routine and my plan was to hire a personal trainer because I know how difficult it's going to be on my own. BF graciously insisted he would be my personal trainer and help me through the process 100%. FYI we are both athletes for our school and BF has hopes to become professional, so the gym isn't new to us. However, we have almost never worked out together because A) I go to spa lady which is an all women gym, and B) we both prefer being alone at the gym. It's sort of our therapeutic "me time" if you will for both of us.

Today was our first "session" at his gym - and I'm pretty shaken up. It started off fine, we were both so excited and we fun plans to reward ourselves after. About 5 minutes into it however, he started yelling at me to motivate me and push me further, I guess. I kept telling him to be quiet and that there were people around, but that only made him angrier. He kept telling me how much of a loser I am and I look like a "loving monster" as efforts to push me harder. He said he feels repulsed to have sex with me and if I don't finish this set, he'll cheat. At that point, I couldn't take it anymore and burst into tears and he threw my water bottle because I gave up. I told him I only gave up because of the horrible things he said and he said he couldn't believe I was taking any of that seriously. I've never seen him like this and I'm not sure if maybe this is how he thinks trainers act or how his coach speaks to him or something, but in all my years of playing sports, I've never been treated nor seen someone being treated so degradingly.

And here's the real catch: no one in the entire gym said anything. Granted, there weren't many people at the time because it's the first day of the New Year and people were probably hungover (this is our university gym), but the people who were there didn't give a poo poo. Everyone just went about doing their own thing and yes, we got a few looks, but that's it. So is this normal?? If this were my gym, people would definitely step in I think, at least I know my friends and I would. I'm seriously considering breaking up with him over this, and that breaks my heart because I've never met someone who makes me as happy as he does. Is this an early sign that he may not be who I think he is and that the relationship is doomed? Any perspective would be amazing.


TL;DR: My boyfriend, who takes fitness very seriously, offered to help me get back into my normal regimen after not working out for a year. I think he took it too far as he said extremely hurtful things as a way to motivate me, and when called out on it, he said its no big deal and normal.

revmoo posted:

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. You have to have an ID to do pretty much anything in life. Poor people have ID. It's really projecting to say that lower class folks don't have ID. If you're so poor that you can't get to the DMV, how exactly are you identifying yourself for government assistance?

Now in fairness I definitely think IDs should be free from the state. It's insane that any states charge any amount of money for ID, but that's a separate issue.

Midnight Voyager posted:

Oh poo poo, found a real winner:

My (F20) boyfriend (M 21) gets extremely angry when helping me at the gym/working out. Is this normal?

GrandpaPants posted:

I'm not racist, I just refuse to recognize institutional racism!

Get hosed, nazi.

revmoo posted:

Voter ID is a great example of this. People on the American political left will say that anyone who supports voter ID is racist, because black people are too dumb to locate the DMV and thus won't get to vote. Like what the gently caress.

revmoo posted:

I'm not even here to discuss voter ID. I didn't mention it to derail the thread, I brought it up to draw attention to the point that literally just having differing views is enough to be labeled a nazi by folks on the American left, which some of you dutifully jumped in to help me underscore my point.

Smirking_Serpent posted:

My [26m] girlfriend [26f] expects me to ask her parents for permission to propose, and it's causing problems.

I told her I'd be willing to talk to them, let them know our future plans and include them in that way but would stop short of asking for permission, but apparently that isn't good enough.

Straight White Shark posted:

You don't think that "maybe it would be a good thing if some of our people weren't able to participate in our democracy" isn't maybe a little bit fascist?