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eke out posted:truman wasn't allowed to seize steel plants during an Actual War but i'm sure trump will be totally allowed to initiate a massive program of emergency eminent domain costing untold billions without any trouble what are the realistic checks?
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There was also legislation passed in the 70s that limited the President’s Emergency powers. And that isn’t even factoring in Trump’s inability to take what he’s technically able to do and not completely gently caress it all up. Remember the Muslims Ban? It was shot down and had to go through multiple revisions over the course of a year before it was technically within his purview. DACA still remains on the books for largely the same reasons. Whatever he theoretically can do he won’t do it in the right way to avoid being shot down.
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eke out posted:truman wasn't allowed to seize steel plants during an Actual War but i'm sure trump will be totally allowed to initiate a massive program of emergency eminent domain costing untold billions without any trouble The Atlantic says he can basically do almost anything https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:And then the courts shut him down in a matter of hours again because that’s not how things actually work. sure but its hell world, so who knows how he will gently caress everything up. Charlz Guybon posted:The Atlantic says he can basically do almost anything i mean like i am sure we will be in some kind of constitutional crisis if that happened. also i could see him get couped if he went full Mad King.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Half of that Atlantic article is literally a fanfic. yeah. he isn't gonna do most of that stuff, because he isn't smart enough too. i could maybe see him putting more troops on the border or dumb poo poo though.
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That article is pretty laughable. It’s a bullet point list of literally the worst thing that could theoretically occur at every step, enacted all without interruption by someone who would have to know exactly what they are doing. It reads like how a Sovereign Citizen will examine the absolute literal written word of the law and then argue how they’re exempt from it under some asinine reasoning. It also does the whole “lol 5-4 ruling” meme to put a neat bow on it all because otherwise the whole fanfic falls apart. If it was so easy for Trump to become a dictator in just 7 simple steps LIBERALS HATE IT then he would have done it 2 years ago. Or at any point between then and now as he’s constantly run into endless difficulties. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:That article is pretty laughable. It’s a bullet point list of literally the worst thing that could theoretically occur at every step, enacted all without interruption by someone who would have to know exactly what they are doing. It reads like how a Sovereign Citizen will examine the absolute literal written word of the law and then argue how they’re exempt from it under some asinine reasoning. It also does the whole “lol 5-4 ruling” meme to put a neat bow on it all because otherwise the whole fanfic falls apart. well people still need to make him scary even though he still is scary, just not in the super brain genius way they want him to be.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:well people still need to make him scary even though he still is scary, just not in the super brain genius way they want him to be. "What if Trump is a puppet master instead of a turbo moron????" takes really need to loving die.
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sean10mm posted:"What if Trump is a puppet master instead of a turbo moron????" takes really need to loving die. yeah. i am more afraid of him just doing stupid awful poo poo and then doubling down on it out of spite and bullheadedness.
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sean10mm posted:"What if Trump is a puppet master instead of a turbo moron????" takes really need to loving die. The pivot into basic competency is coming aaaannnny day now.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The pivot into basic competency is coming aaaannnny day now. i think that narrative is dying at least with trump.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Half of that Atlantic article is literally a fanfic. lmao that article doesn't even mention a wall, it's all about Turning Off the Internet and Deploying Troops On Main Street
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eke out posted:truman wasn't allowed to seize steel plants during an Actual War but i'm sure trump will be totally allowed to initiate a massive program of emergency eminent domain costing untold billions without any trouble Fun reminder, declaring martial law and seizing private citizen's land is literally the imaginary scenario that lead to Texas deploying it's national guard (with a bunch of milita guys "helping") to watch over a joint training exercise named Operation Jade Helm. This has been your special "Oh Wait He Did" episode of "Can you imagine if Obama did that?"
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Relentless posted:Fun reminder, declaring martial law and seizing private citizen's land is literally the imaginary scenario that lead to Texas deploying it's national guard (with a bunch of milita guys "helping") to watch over a joint training exercise named Operation Jade Helm. i feel like he legit tried to go full dictator or tried to go full national emergency, it would be clumsy and awful and probably end in a ton of deaths, including probably his own at the end of all of it. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:The Atlantic says he can basically do almost anything When I read this article a while back, my first thought was "Don't give him ideas!" (Trump doesn't read The Atlantic, of course, but some of his advisers might.) That said, most of these ideas are, as others have said, fanfic-y. The Internet censorship idea, for example, would never get through the courts; it would essentially require 5 Peter Thiel clones on the Supreme Court to work. Abuse of the Insurrection Act seems more plausible, though.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i feel like he legit tried to go full dictator or tried to go full national emergency, it would be clumsy and awful and probably end in a ton of deaths, including probably his own at the end of all of it. There's an Emergency Broadcast System-themed video to that point on YouTube, with Trump going insane and chud militias fighting police in DC. And ending in nuclear launches. 
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Moktaro posted:There's an Emergency Broadcast System-themed video to that point on YouTube, with Trump going insane and chud militias fighting police in DC. And ending in nuclear launches. Link?
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Silver2195 posted:When I read this article a while back, my first thought was "Don't give him ideas!" (Trump doesn't read The Atlantic, of course, but some of his advisers might.) That said, most of these ideas are, as others have said, fanfic-y. The Internet censorship idea, for example, would never get through the courts; it would essentially require 5 Peter Thiel clones on the Supreme Court to work. Abuse of the Insurrection Act seems more plausible, though. The author of the article appears to work for a think tank of some sort that focuses specifically on reining in executive power creep. That may be where its frame is coming from.
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I wish Omorossa was still around to print out stuff like this and show Trump https://twitter.com/Pappiness/status/1081751297303502849
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Jan 6, 2019 08:20
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Charlz Guybon posted:I wish Omorossa was still around to print out stuff like this and show Trump This is a really remarkable turnaround given the absolute contempt Americans have for congress. Even more so because Pelosi has been a perennial target of republican smear campaigns for a couple decades.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:This is a really remarkable turnaround given the absolute contempt Americans have for congress. Even more so because Pelosi has been a perennial target of republican smear campaigns for a couple decades. A man walked into my work in the day after the midterm election and really wanted Pelosi to die and California to sink into the ocean. She is definitely hated, but now Republicans are starting to hate Donny even more, he shames them if that's even possible.
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Nonsense posted:A man walked into my work in the day after the midterm election and really wanted Pelosi to die and California to sink into the ocean. She is definitely hated, but now Republicans are starting to hate Donny even more, he shames them if that's even possible. According to gallup (scroll down) Trump's approval rating among Republicans was 89% as recently as the end of December. Given this, I am a tad sceptical of your claims.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:According to gallup (scroll down) Trump's approval rating among Republicans was 89% as recently as the end of December. Given this, I am a tad sceptical of your claims. Trump's polling numbers are remaining consistent among people who continue to openly identify as Republican, but a rapidly growing number of conservatives refuse to admit it.
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Rinkles posted:what are the realistic checks? The Posse Comitatus Act (maybe?)
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:According to gallup (scroll down) Trump's approval rating among Republicans was 89% as recently as the end of December. Given this, I am a tad sceptical of your claims. So if Republicans were fifty percent of the country (and they're not) that would mean his approval rating is 45%. 100-45=65, which is 7 higher than 58
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HootTheOwl posted:So if Republicans were fifty percent of the country (and they're not) that would mean his approval rating is 45%. 100-45=65, which is 7 higher than 58 Republicans are not 50% of the country though.
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HootTheOwl posted:So if Republicans were fifty percent of the country (and they're not) that would mean his approval rating is 45%. 100-45=65, which is 7 higher than 58 100-45=55
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Republicans are not 50% of the country though. yeah the actually correct pushback to this argument is that self-identified republicans are an increasingly small percentage of polls like the most recent yougov poll on 538 has Trump at 89% approval among republicans, but those republicans are only 25.6% of the sample. even rasmussen puts them around 30-32 and their sampling is blatantly partisan and overrepresentative
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Republicans are not 50% of the country though. Right they're less, so even with that massive Republican support you can see how both can be true. But as someone pointed out my math was right, but even at 55 surely you can see it.
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SaTaMaS posted:The Posse Comitatus Act (maybe?) There are provisions for suspending it under the patriot act. Good lord are we really at the point where we will have to SURPRISE remember the legislation we’ve passed almost 20 years ago?
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Peacoffee posted:There are provisions for suspending it under the patriot act. Are you talking about the changes in the Insurrection Act that were part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill but were repealed in 2008, or something else?
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Nice https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1081563638324969473
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SaTaMaS posted:Are you talking about the changes in the Insurrection Act that were part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill but were repealed in 2008, or something else? I was mostly referring to the provisions under states of emergency, drug trafficking, and border security, which as far as I know still sweep a lot of decision making into the executive branch. Although it's less that I expect these laws would uphold how they are used in justifying actions, and more that there's a lot of arguments someone could make with the patriot act that have yet to materialize in all this time.
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AOC is starting to get Obama’s level like numbers.
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TSA collapsing is what's going to end this I think https://twitter.com/votevets/status/1081938998799417346 Also, why are we still bombing Somalia? https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1082083996987723778
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But wait, I was told Trunp is getting us out of the wars
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:AOC is starting to get Obama’s level like numbers. Unfortunately she won't be old enough to run for president until 2025, so 2028 at the soonest.
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Flesh Forge posted:But wait, I was told Trunp is getting us out of the wars Funny you should mention that. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/06/world/middleeast/bolton-syria-pullout.html New York Times posted:Bolton Puts Conditions on Syria Withdrawal, Suggesting a Delay of Months or Years
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