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BravestOfTheLamps posted:That's a stretch. Thank you for probating this user. I'm not sure I could handle reading "That's a stretch" again and the forum is a lot better for it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Vintersorg posted:You're entitled to your opinion but I am also entitled to tell you to gently caress off with your bullshit. You're just here to antagonize. More posts like this, please. "That's a stretch" had me feeling really bad and down on life, but reading this post had me nodding along and chuckling. Affirming stuff.
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Augus posted:How many subforums/threads does that make that botl is banned from now? All of the bad ones.
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ConfusedUs posted:Given Spider-Verse May's technical acumen, it's not unreasonable to think they were once friends at some lab. It's also not unreasonable to assume there may be a more personal history, given that things tend to be similar between dimensions and there is, indeed, a romantic link between the two in mainline Spider-Man. The other thought is Peter knew Liv and thus so did May by extension. They could have been colleagues in college and/or lovers before Peter settled down with Mary Jane. Miles' universe Peter seems to be around the same age as Liv, or Liv slightly older.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Once upon a time BotL would have been banned for that bullshit attack on a kid enjoying a hero that looks like him. Those days were great just like this movie was. Just to be absolutely clear, this is the exchange you're talking about : Timeless Appeal posted:My wife nudged me during the movie, and I looked over to find next to us a four year old boy, who was black, in Brooklyn, leaned over the empty seat next to us, mouth agape at the film's finale. It was a pretty ideal way to watch the movie. BravestOfTheLamps posted:
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Young Freud posted:The other thought is Peter knew Liv and thus so did May by extension. They could have been colleagues in college and/or lovers before Peter settled down with Mary Jane. Miles' universe Peter seems to be around the same age as Liv, or Liv slightly older. I'm fairly sure she's meant to be middle aged dude. Way older than Peter. Hobo Peter treats her like she's older than he is (Peter is a goon but I kinda doubt he's a big enough one to think "Oh you look 35" is a good thing to say to anyone remotely near 35 or under it) and he's well into his 30s.
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Saw someone remark that Mile's letter to his uncle just before the Prowler reveal sounded eerily like a suicide note and goddamn it does.
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A Sometimes Food posted:I'm fairly sure she's meant to be middle aged dude. Way older than Peter. Hobo Peter treats her like she's older than he is (Peter is a goon but I kinda doubt he's a big enough one to think "Oh you look 35" is a good thing to say to anyone remotely near 35 or under it) and he's well into his 30s. Yeah, Peter B Parker is probably about 38 (Spider-man for 22 years, main universe Peter died after 10 years as Spider-man at 26) and he clearly treats her as older than him.
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It's a bit tricky given Otto Octavius is usually a schlubby middle-aged guy who tends to be short but heavyset, while Liv is in much better shape and more hyperactive and wiry. There's a good chance Liv was Peter's teacher at some point. (it's mentioned that he was a grad student. Which of course Peter Parker is)
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Fart City posted:ASM SINISTER SIX MOVIE BACK ON BAY-BAY I vainly hope for an animated adaptation of “the Superior Foes of Spider-Man” now, thanks.
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I saw this movie twice and it was really good both times. The Stan Lee bit and Peter's funeral got some tears going. A movie hasn't done that for me since Toy Story 3. I also learned a little more about the greater Spider-Man mythos and it's all pretty cool. Miles and Gwen are fun characters, and the comic-relief spider-fellows were great too. I'm glad it's getting a sequel and I hope more movies like this happen. It's a good time to be a Spider-Man fan.
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hiddenriverninja posted:Turns out the song is called "Want it Here" by Xenia Pax, but the full version isn't available for the public. Thank you!! I asked about it a couple weeks ago but no one knew then.
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Timeless Appeal posted:My wife nudged me during the movie, and I looked over to find next to us a four year old boy, who was black, in Brooklyn, leaned over the empty seat next to us, mouth agape at the film's finale. It was a pretty ideal way to watch the movie. I'm the four year old black boy in that post. My mouth was agape, but not about the film's finale, but about the smelly 30 years old fat adults who were there watching a children's cartoon but didn't have any children with them.
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A Sometimes Food posted:I'm fairly sure she's meant to be middle aged dude. Way older than Peter. Hobo Peter treats her like she's older than he is (Peter is a goon but I kinda doubt he's a big enough one to think "Oh you look 35" is a good thing to say to anyone remotely near 35 or under it) and he's well into his 30s. To be fair, I think Peter only says that to tell Miles the end of the password. Ghost Leviathan posted:It's a bit tricky given Otto Octavius is usually a schlubby middle-aged guy who tends to be short but heavyset, while Liv is in much better shape and more hyperactive and wiry. There's a good chance Liv was Peter's teacher at some point. (it's mentioned that he was a grad student. Which of course Peter Parker is) And speaking of songs, I kind of wish the song that plays for Spider-Gwen's flashback was available on the soundtrack.
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Yvonmukluk posted:And speaking of songs, I kind of wish the song that plays for Spider-Gwen's flashback was available on the soundtrack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6RBTPMFATk
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Yeah there was a lot more music used in the movie. I wish a list was compiled in the order is appeared or something. That Black Sheep remix was bad rear end. The Soundtrack itself was super good. I come from an older Rap/Hip Hop listening audience I'm not as in tune with today's stuff but it looks like the artists chosen for some of these songs may be newer just like the animated team I read earlier in this thread. There are some more well known for sure but there were a lot of names I didn't recognize and had to wiki. (Old man problems) We've been listening to the soundtrack at home since we saw it. (and in my truck.... and at my workplace)
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Hogge Wild posted:I'm the four year old black boy in that post. My mouth was agape, but not about the film's finale, but about the smelly 30 years old fat adults who were there watching a children's cartoon but didn't have any children with them. I don't know if the site has an official age restriction or not but regardless I think Hogge Wild should get a 100,000 hour probation to spare him from wasting his childhood on this site and further damaging a developing mind that already struggles with something as basic as paying attention to a movie in a theater.
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Guy Mann posted:I don't know if the site has an official age restriction or not but regardless I think Hogge Wild should get a 100,000 hour probation to spare him from wasting his childhood on this site and further damaging a developing mind that already struggles with something as basic as paying attention to a movie in a theater. It would have to be 122,640 hours.
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Amethyst posted:Just to be absolutely clear, this is the exchange you're talking about : Just to be clear, the forums used to ban people for empty posting, and linking to offsite image hosting. All I'm saying is his response was super lovely and denigrating to the kid in the effort to make some "smart sounding" point about consumerism. The movie was enjoyable, we should celebrate the kids that enjoyed it, that saw the magic that we all should want to see in a good super hero film. Especially one with a POC who might be easier/exciting for them to engage with. You were here when the forums were ban happy, I'm just saying that kind of schtick got your rear end banned back in the day because it makes the forums worse. I can't believe anyone is trying to defend that poo poo posting. FWIW i avoided the Black Panther thread so I can't bring that baggage with me. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Comfortador posted:Yeah there was a lot more music used in the movie. I wish a list was compiled in the order is appeared or something. That Black Sheep remix was bad rear end. The Soundtrack itself was super good. I come from an older Rap/Hip Hop listening audience I'm not as in tune with today's stuff but it looks like the artists chosen for some of these songs may be newer just like the animated team I read earlier in this thread. There are some more well known for sure but there were a lot of names I didn't recognize and had to wiki. (Old man problems) I agree, the soundtrack is off the loving hook. "What's Up Danger?" is such a good loving song holy poo poo. The saddest part is that Vince Staples' "Home" is like the third credits song, it's phenomenal.
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The reason why the four-year-old black kid anecdote is getting singled out by myself and other people in the thread is because the presence of representation often overshadows how these people are represented. We’re all still a bit sore from discussions of the best example of this, Black Panther - Marvel fans and other neoliberals would often praise the film for its representation while ignoring or shutting out complaints from others that it’s extremely poor representation. Yes, the movie’s cast is 98% black people, but it’s also a movie about a monarchy that chooses its leaders through ritual combat crushing a globalist rebellion with the help of the American CIA - and in terms of the real-world consequences, Marvel themselves formed a partnership through the CIA themselves could advertise themselves on their Twitter (“we’re developing the future tech of Wakanda, today!”), etc. Whether or not BotL’s arguments about Miles and his family being good representation in Spider-Verse are hostile or not, they’re certainly more conductive to discussion than an unverifiable story about one random child at a movie screening. The claim that people groaning at yet another singular anecdote used to heap praise on the movie are here to antagonize four-year-olds and/or black people is nothing short of ridiculous. Yes, everyone is aware that representation is good, we’re past that - it’s time to start talking about what that representation means and what kind of messages it carries for the people being represented. Again, I’m not defending BotL like some people are jumping to the conclusion of, but the thread has stopped at “having black people in movies is good” and refuses to have any discussion about how those black people are presented to the audience. It’s good that the movie presents Miles and his multi-ethnic family sympathetically and as a normal part of American culture, and it’s good that these stories are being told in movies as mass-market as this one, but that doesn’t mean it’s worth shutting down all discussion of how accurate the representation is, or replacing it with something about some random kid.
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Pick posted:I agree, the soundtrack is off the loving hook. "What's Up Danger?" is such a good loving song holy poo poo. My favorite thing about What's Up Danger? is that it has Prowler's siren/roar mixed in with it including right at the opening of the track. The original score is really good too, the motif of using distortion and record-scratching not just to mix the music but as their own elements (like the earlier Twitter posts from the composer showing that a lot of the dimensional instability sound effects were just them scratching the record so hard that it turns into noise) makes the clash of the more traditional epic orchestral superhero music and the more modern hip-hop and electronic stuff harmonized really well. Which makes sense since, well, it's a movie about different worlds clashing. The different Spider-Man themes are great because the classic Peter Parker one sounds very much like a take on Danny Elfman's more traditional 2002 movie theme and then at the very end of the movie when Miles finally gets his own version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azmkm4lOZK4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTgyINRHZOE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEpm0vK2Po I've played Familia pretty much every day after seeing the movie. I don't really care about Nicki Minaj's part, but the hook is really loving catchy. Plus, it's the second song in the movie! 
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Pirate Jet posted:The reason why the four-year-old black kid anecdote is getting singled out by myself and other people in the thread is because the presence of representation often overshadows how these people are represented. We’re all still a bit sore from discussions of the best example of this, Black Panther - Marvel fans and other neoliberals would often praise the film for its representation while ignoring or shutting out complaints from others that it’s extremely poor representation. Yes, the movie’s cast is 98% black people, but it’s also a movie about a monarchy that chooses its leaders through ritual combat crushing a globalist rebellion with the help of the American CIA - and in terms of the real-world consequences, Marvel themselves formed a partnership through the CIA themselves could advertise themselves on their Twitter (“we’re developing the future tech of Wakanda, today!”), etc. I completely agree with you, but goddamn is this an abuse of the term "neoliberal."
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Man, there's a loooooot of b.s. to unpack in that post, PJ. Like how hostile it feels for PoC to watch a bunch of people apply laser focus on the narrative dissonance in BP, or how kramering into a conversation with "hah, it's all a mass media marketing ploy  " is an elementary observation in a Marvel property.But what really takes the cake is the "We're just asking the Hard Questions" defense when folks are put off by someone dismissing a possible minority POV. There's other things to discuss about the film -- how it's a Wounded King take with Peter B., Gwen being butt-kickass Empowered Woman, Liv being a perversion of the applications of science or Kingpin being a dark mirror to the Spiderclan's familial Loss narrative -- which can be done without coming across as a huge dismissive dick.
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Pirate Jet posted:it’s time to start talking about what that representation means and what kind of messages it carries for the people being represented. you’re free to start anytime you want
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Representation is fine but it's not that cool.
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This was dumb. Let me re-evaluate.
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Pirate Jet posted:Do you wanna talk about it or just sit self-congratulating yourself in your computer chair over your epic burn? but you have barely actually said anything constructive about representation you’ve just been talking about how everyone else is doing it wrong. what is there for me to say in disagreement besides “people posting simple and uplifting anecdotes is fine”
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FilthyImp posted:Man, there's a loooooot of b.s. to unpack in that post, PJ. I can understand how it can be disheartening to see that kind of thing criticized, but how is it any different than criticizing a movie like The Help or Green Book? Those movies are certainly “representative” but the representation is absurdly poor. It’s not “laser focusing” to simply summarize the main story points of the movie. Wakanda is indeed a monarchy, you have to win a fight if someone challenges you for kingship, etcetera. These things inform a reading, there’s no use in denying that they’re true. I’m not defending BotL, as I already said - if anything I’m defending ungulateman, who correctly pointed out that while there is, in fact, nothing wrong with a small fun anecdote, it’s being used in some kind of bizarre defense where people go overboard in the other direction of BotL’s word salad and are now saying the movie is good because of a small fun anecdote. BotL was not “asking the hard questions” and I never claimed that they were, but I am uncomfortable with the idea that representation shouldn’t be criticized just because it’s there. I apologize for getting so heated earlier in the thread and if there’s more to hear on the subject, I would like to.
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Augus posted:but you have barely actually said anything constructive about representation you’ve just been talking about how everyone else is doing it wrong. He isn't free to start talking about representation because botl did that and it made people so angry he was banned for a month. Meanwhile posting angry invective using words like "shitstain" is totally fine and cool apparently.
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Pirate Jet posted:The reason why the four-year-old black kid anecdote is getting singled out by myself and other people in the thread is because the presence of representation often overshadows how these people are represented. We’re all still a bit sore from discussions of the best example of this, Black Panther - Marvel fans and other neoliberals would often praise the film for its representation while ignoring or shutting out complaints from others that it’s extremely poor representation. Yes, the movie’s cast is 98% black people, but it’s also a movie about a monarchy that chooses its leaders through ritual combat crushing a globalist rebellion with the help of the American CIA - and in terms of the real-world consequences, Marvel themselves formed a partnership through the CIA themselves could advertise themselves on their Twitter (“we’re developing the future tech of Wakanda, today!”), etc. That’s all fine and well and good, but when 99% of these points are made by white dudes on the internet who in real life sure come off as “well actually” dudes who Probably voted for Bernie,. it comes off as gross. We can discuss the finer points in what? A dozen years or more of these kick rear end characters audiences have been begging for? As for the guy who honestly asked me earlier why his comments came off as almost racist , it’s very simple. (I’m going to generalize the points so no spoilers) He pointed out that he thought miles journey (and sacrifice) comes off as less a whole story than Parker’s origin. The thing though, the systemic racism of that is that we’ve had Parker’s origin story for 50+ years. Having the origin for this spider man be different doesn’t make it any less valid, even if his battles or reasons why he puts on the mask are (slightly) different. There is still a tragedy involved. It still builds toward him feeling utterly alone. The implication that it has to be the same, or otherwise it doesn’t have the same weight is where the problem lies. Furthermore, the movie smartly knows this. There’s a reason they bring up The famous line of “with great power”, and by the end turn it into a joke. The essence Of spider man isn’t just that, it’s also “a leap of faith” which is where the message more lies with this story.
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LionArcher posted:That’s all fine and well and good, but when 99% of these points are made by white dudes on the internet who in real life sure come off as “well actually” dudes who Probably voted for Bernie,. it comes off as gross. quote:We can discuss the finer points in what? A dozen years or more of these kick rear end characters audiences have been begging for?
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The Notorious ZSB posted:All I'm saying is his response was super lovely and denigrating to the kid in the effort to make some "smart sounding" point about consumerism. Was it? Was is really? Here's the post again: BravestOfTheLamps posted:The movie is about a kid losing his individuality as his story is hijacked by others, and he turns into a consumer and then a product.
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I've posted a thread to qcs about why I disagree with the ban so I can stop this derail: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3879112 Enjoy your spiderman chat.
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Amethyst posted:Was it? Was is really? Here's the post again: And what you quoted is not even that novel of a critique -- Miles explicitly uses Poplar Artist: Category Hip Hop music to relax in a callback to a previous joke. He's already a consumer. Plus, again, the fact that a bunch of you strip any agency away from Miles and his journey is loving gross as hell
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FilthyImp posted:Lol. That's not even the post at issue and you know it. That's exactly the behavior that raises hackles in these threads. That's the only post I could find of his that responded to the kid. Feel free to find whatever super-offensive thing he said and show me.
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if only we all could be so lucky to have a fanclub that seek out threads to drop into and stan for our terrible posts
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Amethyst posted:I've posted a thread to qcs about why I disagree with the ban so I can stop this derail: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3879112 Goddamn shut the hell up.
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