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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Foot fetishists debunking it immediately is a new twist, though. Ima make one less joke at foot fetishist's expense this year in recognition.
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AlternateNu posted:I'm seriously concerned there will be an attempt on her life in the mean time if she maintains this level of energy and coverage. I was thinking the same thing last night. Shes so freaking good at answering the BS though. That 60 minute interview was so eye opening at how biased the media is against actually left leaning ideas.
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LionArcher posted:I was thinking the same thing last night. Shes so freaking good at answering the BS though. That 60 minute interview was so eye opening at how biased the media is against actually left leaning ideas. I think that a lot of posters here really don't have a good appreciation of just how effective the Right's propaganda machine was prior to the advent of the Internet. When there were only network TV and people were limited to real world meetings or books, when you had to dig around far and wide to find anything remotely resembling leftist writings. It simply wasn't a thing. And the isolation of looking at the world and recognizing the insanity while and not seeing others who think like you and how utterly demoralizing that was. Long before you had access to good leftist thinking and content online, long before the podcasts and social media we were limited to finding books on the subject, they weren't common as they weren't particularly popular, I mainly found them from reading some of the few vaguely leftist folks who managed to get platforms such as Molly Ivin's. I mean hell the whole start of AL Frankin's political campaign came from his "why not me?" book which was more a hatchet piece on the Republicans than it was a serious policy discussion. While I'm sure most here view them as centrist poo poo holes at this point things like Act Blue, Moveon and DailyKos were instrumental in building the movements that have pushed more leftists policy discussions into the public sphere. Unfortunately most of the elected Democratic Politicians are still operating under the old paradigm which is why they haven't been pushing more leftist policies all along. I mean it's not like there haven't been politicians pushing such policies they just weren't winning elections because the media had managed to limit the debate by acting as a gatekeeper for what is and isn't reasonable discourse. That's part of why I'm more forgiving of Democrat Politicians than many here, (yes even the bad ones) because probably the best analogy I have for the Democratic establishment from the last 30 years is that they are like an abused spouse who has been gas lit, lied to, lied about, attacked endlessly and mercilessly by the Republicans and their complicit media. These younger pols like AOC who grew up in the post Internet Age who's political range has been expanded by the work done by the older leftists who broke through the media bubble to shift the debate aren't having that poo poo anymore, these are kids who were raised as it were to respect themselves enough to not take any poo poo. Meanwhile some of those older Dems are trying to warn them to keep their heads down lest they too get beat which is pretty much how I see the hand wringing  mashers from the party. The thing is that abusers don't get better on their own and acquiescence to their demands only teaches them that abuse will get them what they want so they have no incentive to change their behavior in fact it simply rewards them. So the new wave is doing what they need to be doing it's just that the old Dems have been conditioned so strongly that they haven't realized that the situation has changed. That the debate is no longer constrained in the way that it was when the range of acceptable discussion was set by the owners of the media. The bad side is that the Right Discovered the Internet as well but at least this time we're no longer hopelessly outgunned the way we were through the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s. The dysfunction of the system is so much more obvious and more and more people are starting to identify the correct source of our problems (the existence of the Rich). This puts my thinking in this strange place where Trump and the rise of Fascism worldwide worries me immensely, at the same time I see the cultural zeitgeist moving in a good direction as more and more people are getting fed up with the bullshit and hatred coming from the Right and noticing the effects of Climate change and beginning to grasp the seriousness of the problem. I think the rise of strong leftist Democrats is both reassuring and inevitable. It's a sign that things are finally starting to catch and these people aren't ready to compromise or surrender and if they can keep the momentum and the voters continue to have their backs there are good things on the way. To bring this back to the thread itself, Chris Hayes had a good segment last night about Warren's campaigning in Iowa last night particularly contrasting the questions asked by the media vs those asked by the actual people. The media were asking process and horse race questions while the people were asking good policy questions and frankly after seeing that and hearing her answers I'm feeling pretty positive on Warren. She's showing a lot more charisma than I thought she had and has a good command of the issues even threading the needle on a question with regard to abortion that somehow ended up being asked by a friend of hers that she disagrees on the issue about (the friend is a single issue anti-abortion voter) where she gave a very good respectful response while reinforcing her position as supporting a woman's right to autonomy over her own body. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far, it will be interesting to see where the others position themselves.
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Skex posted:I think that a lot of posters here really don't have a good appreciation of just how effective the Right's propaganda machine was prior to the advent of the Internet. When there were only network TV and people were limited to real world meetings or books, when you had to dig around far and wide to find anything remotely resembling leftist writings. It simply wasn't a thing. And the isolation of looking at the world and recognizing the insanity while and not seeing others who think like you and how utterly demoralizing that was. Long before you had access to good leftist thinking and content online, long before the podcasts and social media we were limited to finding books on the subject, they weren't common as they weren't particularly popular, I mainly found them from reading some of the few vaguely leftist folks who managed to get platforms such as Molly Ivin's. Just wanted to say this is a great post, and generally where my views on things fall too. (Though I know a few rich people that do more than their fair share... but they also would agree with the tax increase etc...)
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AOC on team Abolish Ice I see.  She sounded fine on the audio only I listened to, it's kind of a shame she has to babysit her notes so that the right wing pus machine doesn't latch onto one off-figure in an entire interview of them. e: gently caress this is the wrong thread and I can't find any news. I'm sorry. 
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mistaya posted:e: gently caress this is the wrong thread and I can't find any news. I'm sorry. I got you fam. https://twitter.com/metesohtaoglu/status/1082585573993431040?s=21
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Lightning Knight posted:https://twitter.com/ap_politics/status/1082857277084893184?s=21 Its darkly hilarious that basically the only thing both parties generally agree on is that the media is horrible trash and that something needs to be done.
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Lightning Knight posted:https://twitter.com/ap_politics/status/1082857277084893184?s=21 "Trump deserves blame because he has stupid demands, but what about the Democrats who refuse to capitulate with the stupid demands?!"
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tetrapyloctomy posted:"Trump deserves blame because he has stupid demands, but what about the Democrats who refuse to capitulate with the stupid demands?!" the tweet has at least generated a decent amount of backlash and discussion about how to improve the journalistic value of fact checks, and how to distinguish fact checks as they're generally thought of (calling someone out when they're attempting to mislead) from 'fact checks' providing information which would only be useful to a person who recently awoke from a 30 year coma
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"that earns 3 pinnochios" - the greatest media on earth
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:https://twitter.com/propornot/status/1082471500077092864?s=19 I've noticed this usage myself and it definitely stands out. I don't think Russian media uses words like neocon as a slur, but rather they directly try and associate the word with things/people that are unpopular to give the terms negative connotations. That is to say they are primarily propagandizing against neoconservatism as a concept. This often results in tweets and statements that are logically a bit garbled and nonsensical, but conveying a literal statement of fact isn't the point. The point is just to create an emotional association between <bad thing> and neoliberalism. edit: here's an example of what I mean in a tweet by a Russian account that pretends to be a black Republican woman https://mobile.twitter.com/Treshiq/status/1072183909121589249 This tweet is referring to Brett Kavanaugh and is calling him a neocon after he declined to hear a case challenging public funding of planned parenthood. This should leave anyone politically aware scratching their heads, because of course neoconservatism refers to a collection of ideas about foreign policy regarding an aggressive right and willingness interfere abroad, and theoretically has little to with judicial theory or planned parenthood. My guess though is that whoever manages these accounts noticed there were trending tweets expressing upset over this decision among conservatives, so they sought to use it as an opportunity to insert their own message into the conversation while pretending to share concerns about this court case. Squalid fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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Telsa Cola posted:Its darkly hilarious that basically the only thing both parties generally agree on is that the media is horrible trash and that something needs to be done. That they do, but for pretty much diametrically opposed reasons. "You're not buying into our fantasy enough!" vs "You're giving their fantasy too much credit/time"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...m=.744eb2ccc5ac Our big wet Terrorist in Chief continues to show off his masterful negotiation skills by taking the government hostage. LtStorm fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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Lol DC Water Board contemplates cutting off water to the White House due to a missed 5 million dollar payment. https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/dc-water-board-debates-whether-can-cut-off-white-house-service-trump-admin-misses-payment/ Really wish Omarossa was still there to troll Trump with these numbers. Apparently Pelosi and Schumer had higher ratings than Trump. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/424560-pelosi-schumer-response-tops-trump-speech-in-preliminary-ratings
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Charlz Guybon posted:Lol. How long can the TSA realistically last before they collapse and air travel grinds to a halt? by tomorrow or Saturday.
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Today is payday and when people realize they can't even do the "hey we got paid lets go to the bar" - poo poo's gonna get real. That was like a religion when I worked in low paying jobs.
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silicone thrills posted:Today is payday and when people realize they can't even do the "hey we got paid lets go to the bar" - poo poo's gonna get real. That was like a religion when I worked in low paying jobs. You saw that Federal workers are getting paystubs that literally say $0.00 on them? https://twitter.com/repmarkpocan/status/1083420548661694464
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The Glumslinger posted:You saw that Federal workers are getting paystubs that literally say $0.00 on them? Yep. I saw that, its completely hosed. Talk about rubbing it in their faces.
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Telsa Cola posted:Its darkly hilarious that basically the only thing both parties generally agree on is that the media is horrible trash and that something needs to be done. And yet the media is going to get billions of dollars from both parties during the endless election season regardless of how much they suck.
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Mister Mind posted:Wrap it up, Ocasio-Cortezailures. Joe Lieberman was literally not the future of Connecticut for Lieberman
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Adar posted:Joe Lieberman was literally not the future of Connecticut for Lieberman I really wish that had kept on going.
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DOOM! http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-doomsday-scenario-heres-what-happens-if-the-shutdown-drags-on/ar-BBS3i6P?ocid=ientp quote:The country would face an economic hellscape if the government shutdown lasts "months or even years," as the president has suggested it might, experts tell NBC News. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jan 11, 2019 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:DOOM! I don't know whether to laugh or cry if Trump and/or the number of Republican senators needed to make a veto-proof spending bill hold this thing out long enough over a loving crappy fence to crash the economy.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:by tomorrow or Saturday. https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1083555966606626816 Coming soon to an airport near you.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Until she has to vote on it, then shell support it.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:That's actually completely free for her to come out against, right? The constituency who least cares about the southern border has got to be in Alaska. all the culture warrior types dont care about the border, as such. they just want the Win
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