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Honestly, with how thoroughly and massively she's crushed anyone who's tried to dunk on her thus far, "DO NOT ENGAGE" is actually cogent advice.
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Jan 9, 2019 23:46
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Cacator posted:Does the concept of "minor coincidence" even exist to these people? If people were capable of believing in coincidences, they wouldn't be conspiracy theoriests. Project MKUltra ended in 1973. Ocasio Cortez was born in 1989. What the gently caress are they even talking about?
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Jan 9, 2019 23:58
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Conspiracists believe the "ending" of MKULTRA was a fake out so they could expand it to more people.
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Jan 10, 2019 00:08
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quote:The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.
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Jan 10, 2019 00:28
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Whoa I didnt know we were back in the 1800's.
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Jan 10, 2019 00:34
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zoux posted:Maybe if we can convince them that the wall exists in spirit we can end the shutdown. like I said on page 2: "I like this idea, they're already living in a fantasy world where Trump is a genius and school shootings are fake, why not just expand the fantasy? Convince yourself that Trump isn't under investigation, that the wall is actually built but the media can't show it - maybe it's an invisible wall? Obama and Hillary and all the other left politicians and celebrities have been arrested and executed or are being tortured in Guantanamo or on the loving moon, who cares. If George Clooney appears in public that's just a lookalike. Trump gets impeached or loses in 2020, NBD it's all a trick, he's actually the eternal god-emperor and leaving office was just another fakeout to deceive the media and the DEEP STATE. It's like the end of Brazil, just escape into a dream world. "
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Cacator posted:Does the concept of "minor coincidence" even exist to these people? Being that most of them seem to be schizophrenic, I would say no TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Jan 10, 2019 01:51
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Cacator posted:Does the concept of "minor coincidence" even exist to these people? One of their catchphrases is literally "there are no coincidences" 
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Jan 10, 2019 02:51
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So flat earth has evolved beyond a flat earth to space doesn’t exist at all and we are just on an infinite flat plane that stretches on forever and ever? Ok then
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Jan 10, 2019 03:02
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Dr. VooDoo posted:So flat earth has evolved beyond a flat earth to space doesn’t exist at all and we are just on an infinite flat plane that stretches on forever and ever? Ok then Yes that happened about 5 years ago. Essentially "Flat earth" isn't really the context of the theory anymore, other than it being the very first disagreement with normal reality. Granted most flat earthers essentially believe that "Earth" is a stage set created by Higher Powers at this point. And that there's probably some means to break through the illusion to find an 'exit' to a real world or higher plane of existence if certain conditions are met. If it hasn't become obvious by now, most of them lowkey are using this to express being something like born-again Christians, the higher powers are mostly believed to be God or his angels, etc. All evidence against flat earth is faked using the dome over top of the area humans can be in, all sorts of stuff that amounts to "well you can't prove it to me anything in science is real if I can't prove it myself with the knowledge and tools of a third grader" Most will even say that round planets exist, but only outside of this created space which is Earth which is flat. Often the reason these people give for why this is so, is that it was "easier to create this set" by making it flat and then building complicated illusions and ensuring the governments all throughout history were kept lying about Earth being flat.
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Jan 10, 2019 03:29
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How do flat earthers parse parallax? Like, by their logic if I'm at the top of the Trans America building on the West Coast with a telescope I should be able to see the Rocky Mountains or vice versa being that the earth is a flat plane. Even with a grade school education this should present problems.
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Jan 10, 2019 03:35
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You need the right camera, then you can see over the horizon Seriously that's the argument
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Jan 10, 2019 03:37
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James Woods posted:How do flat earthers parse parallax? Like, by their logic if I'm at the top of the Trans America building on the West Coast with a telescope I should be able to see the Rocky Mountains or vice versa being that the earth is a flat plane. Even with a grade school education this should present problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gFsOoKAHZg
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James Woods posted:How do flat earthers parse parallax? Like, by their logic if I'm at the top of the Trans America building on the West Coast with a telescope I should be able to see the Rocky Mountains or vice versa being that the earth is a flat plane. Even with a grade school education this should present problems. Vanishing point. Or pollution.
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Jan 10, 2019 03:43
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The Earth has a low draw distance.
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Jan 10, 2019 03:46
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I've seen it genuinely argued that you just need a better zoom on your camera. Explanations of how magnification actually works were, unsurprisingly, dismissed. It's a good argument for them though since you can never provided them with a telescope which they can't immediately dismiss as not powerful enough.
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Jan 10, 2019 03:46
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I felt like this was one of his weaker videos, much as I do love Hbomberguy's usual stuff. He really doesn't get into some of the more religious and political reasons why these people buy into flat eartherism. Plus I think framing them as progressives in a sense rather than regressives is also somewhat mistaken. Yes, it's true, that there has never been a widespread belief in a flat earth - at least in the West - but the fact is that these people generally believe there was and/or that they are returning to the truth of the Bible that has been displaced and supplanted by the lies of science and secularism. Like most of these people don't believe they are advancing the cause of science and replacing a popular misconception with a new truth, most of them believe they are returning to a better past. Given that the idealized past Conservatives and regressives seek to return to almost never had any existence in reality, I don't flat eartherism is really any different than other Conservative beliefs, in that regard. Yes, it's not regressive from an outsider's standpoint because the past they seek to regress to never really existed, but that's true of nearly all Conservative ideas about the past. What matters is the mindset - regressives think they are returning society to its proper working.
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Illuminti posted:I've seen it genuinely argued that you just need a better zoom on your camera. Explanations of how magnification actually works were, unsurprisingly, dismissed. I've heard the argument that telescopes are fake. All of them.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I felt like this was one of his weaker videos, much as I do love Hbomberguy's usual stuff. He really doesn't get into some of the more religious and political reasons why these people buy into flat eartherism. Plus I think framing them as progressives in a sense rather than regressives is also somewhat mistaken. Yes, it's true, that there has never been a widespread belief in a flat earth - at least in the West - but the fact is that these people generally believe there was and/or that they are returning to the truth of the Bible that has been displaced and supplanted by the lies of science and secularism. Like most of these people don't believe they are advancing the cause of science and replacing a popular misconception with a new truth, most of them believe they are returning to a better past. Ya video's not up to his usual standards, largely due to the bizarre decision to engage the subject matter in good faith, but it is relevant to the subject.
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Jan 10, 2019 04:18
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fishmech posted:Yes that happened about 5 years ago. Essentially "Flat earth" isn't really the context of the theory anymore, other than it being the very first disagreement with normal reality. So they believe the Truman show is real, got it
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Jan 10, 2019 04:31
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1083086725071679488 In spirit, I've already had sex with Emilia Clarke and Scarlet Johannson, i'm just waiting for it to manifest in the natural. And yea, Flat Earht is another one of those things that Evangelicals love because they feel if it is proved true, then all science is fake and god is real. It's shared with stuff like living dinosaurs. Also Flat Earth literally is more prominent today than it has ever been. What's the camera they all love? The Nikon 9000 or something?
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Jan 10, 2019 05:26
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twistedmentat posted:In spirit, I've already had sex with Emilia Clarke and Scarlet Johannson, i'm just waiting for it to manifest in the natural. Dinosaurs are a satanic lie. Just like evolution. The camera is the p900. I swear nikon sponsors the flat earth movement to sell cameras.
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Jan 10, 2019 05:30
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twistedmentat posted:In spirit, I've already had sex with Emilia Clarke and Scarlet Johannson, i'm just waiting for it to manifest in the natural. Now that's a spirit quest 
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:Dinosaurs are a satanic lie. Just like evolution. The camera is the p900. I swear nikon sponsors the flat earth movement to sell cameras. No they are animals that were not able to find space on the ark. DUH. What are you, a Presbyterian? TulliusCicero posted:Now that's a spirit quest Its more realistic than any Q secret arrests. We're all people that are real, and live on earth, that's more than anything Q has.
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Jan 10, 2019 06:21
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What I really wanted from that video was an answer to this The flat earth has only been hidden from the public since 1956? What...happened before that? Everyone knew the earth was flat and then they all just forgot? Or did the government construct the Truman Show dome and put all the Boomers in it as babies and then they had kids and we're all the 7 billion bubble people, and outside the dome are trillions of flat-earth dwellers watching us? But this Mark Sargent guy is like 50, so he had parents right? Were they in on it like Truman's parents? Are everyone's parents and grandparents old enough to remember 1956 all in on it too? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Jan 10, 2019 06:38
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You can only trust your eyes, camera lenses are all distorted to show the curved earth. Except for the good folks at Nikon they're all right, believe what you see in a Nikon 900 and in nothing else.
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Jan 10, 2019 06:40
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VitalSigns posted:What I really wanted from that video was an answer to this Don't hurt your brain trying to understand their insanity Forget it Vitalsigns; it's Boomertown
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Jan 10, 2019 06:42
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Hbomberguy just did a video on Flat Earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gFsOoKAHZg It's pretty good, I like how he has to work to try to not seem like he's making them sound worse than they are, but they keep doing that themselves. There's also this https://youtu.be/ecfqbWCiZSA he actually goes to a flat earth conference and holy poo poo.
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Jan 10, 2019 06:46
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twistedmentat posted:No they are animals that were not able to find space on the ark. DUH. Of course dinosaurs were on the ark, what are you, a satanic Catholic? 
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Jan 10, 2019 06:51
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VitalSigns posted:
It’s not right, but it’s a mainstream common myth that everyone thought the earth was flat historically. Like stories with Columbus was out to prove it wasn’t. If you get like 20% dumber taking “everyone knew the earth was flat till recently” seems like a thing people would go for with 1956 sounding about the same as 1493 for “mysterious years from before I was born”
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But 1956 isn't mysterious, that dude had parents, we all have grandparents who remember having globes in school. E: I know I know, there's no answer just like how the nonstop flights he says are impossible are fake and everyone who has been on one is lying, or if they're real then we just haven't figured out the correct geography of flat earth VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Jan 10, 2019 06:57
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VitalSigns posted:What I really wanted from that video was an answer to this 1956 was the last year before Sputnik. When sputnik "launches" in 1957 and is the first satellite, it's the first lie in the conspiracy chain to hide flat earth. Because the orbit is either completely fake or it followed a different path to draw around the flat earth. And then when more "space" stuff happens it all helps hide flat earth evidence, or rather definite evidence the earth isn't a globe. Space agencies have been given the primary role in hiding flat earth so they are enemy number one, and it can only start for real once a "successful launch" happens
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It’s not right, but it’s a mainstream common myth that everyone thought the earth was flat historically. Like stories with Columbus was out to prove it wasn’t. If you get like 20% dumber taking “everyone knew the earth was flat till recently” seems like a thing people would go for with 1956 sounding about the same as 1493 for “mysterious years from before I was born” Part of it was Catholic immigrant communities (Italians on the East Coast, Mexicans in the Southwest) using Columbus as an avatar of how they were totally deserving to be real Americans (since they were having to deal with a lot of anti-immigrant/anti-Catholic sentiment around the beginning of the 20th century). They formed organizations like the Knights of Columbus and they helped to really build up the myth of Columbus as an underdog visionary. And while scientists and philosophers recognized that the earth was round for thousands of years, it's not like the idea that the earth was flat wasn't a common folk understanding. Like, go back to 1400 and just ask some dude plowing a field and he'd probably say he never thought of it, but of course it had to be flat. I feel like left-tube is in this weird place right now where they're trying to not fall into the same trap that atheist youtube fell into (start slam-dunking easy targets like creationists, deciding you're brilliant, running low on easy targets, and then applying that newfound arrogance to topics that aren't easy, like feminism). So they're trying to cut down on the slam-dunking and try to be thorough and thoughtful when replying, even when it's an easy target that just deserves the point-and-laugh treatment.
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I wish this wasn't an insane conspiracy theory but instead a cool horror setting.
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VitalSigns posted:But 1956 isn't mysterious, that dude had parents, we all have grandparents who remember having globes in school. Clearly. but I do imagine that the common misconception that "Everybody" thought the world was flat in the past being already a thing makes it less steps for people to extend that with some "well I don't know what date that ended and I'm not going to look it up, so probably with space travel" or something.
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Jan 10, 2019 13:34
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Goon Danton posted:You need the right camera, then you can see over the horizon Yeah, a Nikon 900 or something. They think one specific camera, made by a mega corporation, has the correct lens to see the truth.
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Jan 10, 2019 13:57
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Nikon P900 zoom range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfshAzV0FN4
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That lens is plenty powerful enough to show the curvature of the Earth at work.
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