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Suspicious Dish posted:im too stupid to read that graph it's just a radar chart, same variables as a bar chart
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if you want to have a dumb nerdy way to voice your opinion on candidates why even use this format though
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Jan 11, 2019 06:17
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cause anime
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Jan 11, 2019 07:23
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Ah yes, that most famous centrist philosophy, Nazism.
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Jan 11, 2019 07:44
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Memento posted:
Can you feed them berry blocks to make those contest stats go up?
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Jan 11, 2019 08:11
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Ah yes, fascism, well known for being closer to freedom than to slavery, and only slightly less free than anarchism. Every anarcho-communist looking at that graph: 
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Jan 11, 2019 12:29
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They're nodding along with the explicit equivalence between democracy and anarchy though. 
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Jan 11, 2019 12:45
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So, the country built on hundreds of years of slavery is the furthest away from slavery? It would be a better graph if they listed the historical US on the left (since they are using a historical Germany and not present day Germany), and then removed everything else.
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Jan 11, 2019 13:17
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Louis XIV: the leftiest leftist of all And we've finally come full circle
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Jan 11, 2019 13:25
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Or half circle, whichever one means opposite
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Jan 11, 2019 13:26
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Some kind of... revolution, perhaps
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Jan 11, 2019 14:08
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Forget the horseshoe theory. I just came up with the shoestring theory. Basically, you can tie a shoestring in knots, lay or suspend it in any position, illustrating that any school of political thought can be close to any other school of political thought under right circumstances. Please, buy my book Why Things Are Good As It Is (And At The Same Time Worse Than Ever) on Amazon and iTunes.
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Jan 11, 2019 14:37
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Fairly sure I’m not the only one who would 100% buy that.
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Jan 11, 2019 15:00
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Can you walk after you tie your shoestrings?
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Jan 11, 2019 15:15
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Nenonen posted:Can you walk after you tie your shoestrings? Only by taking very tiny steps. Illustrating how current political climate ultimately serves incrementalism.
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Jan 11, 2019 15:19
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If you trip while trying to go up a hill, you know how the weimar republic felt!
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Jan 11, 2019 15:21
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Paladinus posted:Forget the horseshoe theory. I just came up with the shoestring theory. Basically, you can tie a shoestring in knots, lay or suspend it in any position, illustrating that any school of political thought can be close to any other school of political thought under right circumstances. This might be the first one of these I've actually agreed with
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Jan 11, 2019 15:24
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Suspicious Dish posted:if you want to have a dumb nerdy way to voice your opinion on candidates why even use this format though because radar charts are sometimes used in sports analysis as well, and it is 538 after all
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Jan 11, 2019 15:47
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I think that's a rare defensible use of radar charts, though they implicitly suggest all the factors are of equal importance and the "data" aren't actually data of course. Like basically I would have more to say about the factors they chose than about the method of presentation but whatever.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:01
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pangstrom posted:I think that's a rare defensible use of radar charts, though they implicitly suggest all the factors are of equal importance and the "data" aren't actually data of course. Like basically I would have more to say about the factors they chose than about the method of presentation but whatever. 
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Jan 11, 2019 16:03
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pangstrom posted:I think that's a rare defensible use of radar charts, though they implicitly suggest all the factors are of equal importance and the "data" aren't actually data of course. Like basically I would have more to say about the factors they chose than about the method of presentation but whatever. Did they really have to put "the left" on the right hand side though??
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Jan 11, 2019 16:20
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Dixville posted:Did they really have to put "the left" on the right hand side though??
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Jan 11, 2019 16:27
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What gets me is that the only max score they felt the need to point out was Sanders and "The Left" despite also apparently giving max scores to Harris and "Black voters", Castro and "Hispanic/Asian", and Klobuchar and "Party Loyalists" Also which category do you end up in if you're a half-Black, quarter-Hispanic, quarter-Asian leftist millennial party loyalist? Or, put more simply, what if you're a black leftist? Do you get placed in the racial category or the ideological category? Like many reductive political paradigms, it implies that everyone fits into a single category of identity and their voting preferences are then determined by that identity.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:34
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You would be a very strong candidate by their calculus, basically. Checking all the boxes!
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Jan 11, 2019 16:35
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Now weight the scores by the actual proportion of likely voters in each category and the graph might start to mean something.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:40
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That's just a poll at that point.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:45
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Paladinus posted:Forget the horseshoe theory. I just came up with the shoestring theory. Basically, you can tie a shoestring in knots, lay or suspend it in any position, illustrating that any school of political thought can be close to any other school of political thought under right circumstances. Jeremy Bearimy is not just time, but politics.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:54
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vyelkin posted:What gets me is that the only max score they felt the need to point out was Sanders and "The Left" despite also apparently giving max scores to Harris and "Black voters", Castro and "Hispanic/Asian", and Klobuchar and "Party Loyalists" To play devil's advocate, they might count a person who is in multiple categories (i.e. anyone who is not white and holds any political viewpoint) multiple times, once for each category they fall into, as it seems to be measuring strength of support rather than number of supporters. But then the obvious question is why don't they have a "support amongst whites" category.
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Red Bones posted:To play devil's advocate, they might count a person who is in multiple categories (i.e. anyone who is not white and holds any political viewpoint) multiple times, once for each category they fall into, as it seems to be measuring strength of support rather than number of supporters. But then the obvious question is why don't they have a "support amongst whites" category. This is all about strength of support in these categories. They have set up 5 groups, and the idea is: quote:Candidates don’t have to pick any one group; rather, their goal is to build a majority coalition from voters in (at least) three out of the five groups. There are a lot of ways to do this: If you’re choosing any three from among the five groups, there are 10 possible combinations to pick from, and all of them plausibly form winning coalitions. In 2016, for example, Hillary Clinton assembled a coalition of Party Loyalists, black voters and Hispanic voters, largely ceding the other two groups to Bernie Sanders, but still winning the nomination with room to spare. They point out further that, statistically, other than "The Left", all of these are majority women, which is why there's no "Women Voters" group either. White voters, statistically, are in the "Party Loyalists" and "The Left" categories.
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Jan 11, 2019 18:48
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charts sounding exceedingly worthless, except maybe for narrow intercandidate comparisons?
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Jan 11, 2019 19:08
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Somewhere between anarchist and nazi sits the GOP.
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Memento posted:
I don't know who Kirsten Gillibrand is but she's masterfully calibrated these demographics, perfect pentagon min-maxing
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Jan 11, 2019 22:03
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Phlegmish posted:I don't know who Kirsten Gillibrand is but she's masterfully calibrated these demographics, perfect pentagon min-maxing 
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Phlegmish posted:I don't know who Kirsten Gillibrand is but she's masterfully calibrated these demographics, perfect pentagon min-maxing You're not min maxing if your stats are balanced.
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Jan 11, 2019 22:35
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Phlegmish posted:I don't know who Kirsten Gillibrand is but she's masterfully calibrated these demographics, perfect pentagon min-maxing Much like any other ideal entity, philosophers still argue whether she actually exists, or is an absract concept inferred from the existence of other politically milquetoast white waspish women.
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Jan 11, 2019 22:44
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i min-max my nutrient intake to obtain a perfectly spherical body. I'm getting close but it's still fairly lumpy.
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Jan 11, 2019 22:59
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What would Hitler’s pentagon look like?
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Strudel Man posted:Totally levelling off all characteristics is the exact opposite of min-maxing. Her dump demographics are obviously on a different, non-pictured pentagon
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Jan 11, 2019 23:15
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:What would Hitler’s pentagon look like? 
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