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Fallen Hamprince posted:https://twitter.com/skwawkbox/status/1083878321744691205 Lol that ~40% of the UK still supports the Tories
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brugroffil posted:Lol that ~40% of the UK still supports the Tories tories offer a simple solution to a complex problem, and humans are inherently lazy
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so the only scenario that really changes the overall %s is if somebody else calls for a new referendum and labour say no? i guess that would be the 'lexiteer' scenario? that doesn't sound amazingly probable, is it possible?
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:tories offer a simple solution to a complex problem, and humans are inherently lazy i feel like this underestimates the particular perfidy of the english
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I love that even according to that poll, UKIP's loving dead lmao. Aren't they the party of Nigel 'Actually I won't be living in England after Brexit' Farage?
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Hentai Jihadist posted:well iv been wikitrailing this and uh oh I had the good fortune to visit Russia for about a month in 1993 and there was this weird feeling of optimism that at last things might finally be starting to get better and the people would experience the prosperity that had eluded during the Soviet period without also losing the sense of community and solidarity that still lingered, right before everything got worse. Should this all go as badly as seems likely, I do not have high hopes that Britain will manage even that, this time around.
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An insane mind posted:I love that even according to that poll, UKIP's loving dead lmao. Aren't they the party of Nigel 'Actually I won't be living in England after Brexit' Farage? yep they went into a tail spin after the referendum as they suddenly lost all purpose like a dog that manages to catch a car then they went through a bunch of equally useless leaders and basically hosed up their USP of being the BNP but smart enough to lie about their racism by forgetting to lie about the racism also letting in a bunch of alt right internet/street thug racists who were emboldened by the referendum result
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Fallen Hamprince posted:https://twitter.com/skwawkbox/status/1083878321744691205 If cancelling brexit is too unpopular to be feasible there's no point Labour winning a GE until after Brexit. Winning a GE and Lexiting would leave Labour in power while the disaster unfolds, and we'd end up too busy fighting fires to implement the positive changes we want to see all the while absorbing the blame for the Tory's bad idea.
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Surprise Giraffe posted:If cancelling brexit is too unpopular to be feasible there's no point Labour winning a GE until after Brexit. Winning a GE and Lexiting would leave Labour in power while the disaster unfolds, and we'd end up too busy fighting fires to implement the positive changes we want to see all the while absorbing the blame for the Tory's bad idea. Oh so it's not just a cunning ploy by evil Corbyn and his band of lexiteers now? It's a real thing you have to think about? gently caress me the world is moving fast but for you it must be incomprehensible.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Oh so it's not just a cunning ploy by evil Corbyn and his band of lexiteers now? It's a real thing you have to think about? gently caress me the world is moving fast but for you it must be incomprehensible. Given those polls could flip next week the way things are right now you sort of have to consider a strategy for every possibility. I don't why you wouldn't explore all the possibilities. The only consistant theme is that a brexit will be poo poo. Surprise Giraffe has issued a correction as of 20:58 on Jan 12, 2019 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Oh so it's not just a cunning ploy by evil Corbyn and his band of lexiteers now? It's a real thing you have to think about? gently caress me the world is moving fast but for you it must be incomprehensible. corbyn has been a eurosceptic for as long as there has been a europe to be skeptical of but we're supposed to act like the idea that this affects his position on brexit in any way is an insane centrist smear
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Given those polls could flip next week the way things are right now you sort of have to consider a strategy for every possibility. I don't why you wouldn't explore all the possibilities. It would be better to go through with Brexit and end austerity than the other way round. We know what the other way round is and it's the death of over 120,000 people and counting.
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MikeCrotch posted:It would be better to go through with Brexit and end austerity than the other way round. what’s your prediction on the death count once Britons have to share a dozen doses a month of anything more exotic than paracetamol? e: absolutely not defending austerity here Subjunctive has issued a correction as of 22:16 on Jan 12, 2019 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I had the good fortune to visit Russia for about a month in 1993 and there was this weird feeling of optimism that at last things might finally be starting to get better and the people would experience the prosperity that had eluded during the Soviet period without also losing the sense of community and solidarity that still lingered, right before everything got worse. the idea of Russians seeing American businessmen coming into their country with hope that they would treat them with the respect of a defeated adversary is kind of heartbreaking.
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Prav posted:so i take it that brexit is going to be followed by a literal naval blockade on the isles It's the only way to make sure nothing gets out.
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really queer Christmas posted:the idea of Russians seeing American businessmen coming into their country with hope that they would treat them with the respect of a defeated adversary is kind of heartbreaking. I have to think that, having many of them lived through the stagnation and tumultuous final years of the Soviet Union, a lot figured that hey, turns out the party lied to us about a ton of stuff and the US came out on top and with flying colors, why not give their way of doing things a try I mean how bad could it be? 
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MikeCrotch posted:It would be better to go through with Brexit and end austerity than the other way round. I don't know how John McDonnell's (really awesome) plan will work after any Brexit, we need to "borrow" £250 billion as a nation, and it's all going to be done via the National Investment Bank which is the neatest financial idea I've ever read about. I'm with you, if we Brexit, I'd prefer we just went "gently caress it" and killed austerity even though it'd be painful as gently caress.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:So it's going to be Russia circa 1992 except we had functioning social services Captain_Maclaine posted:I have to think that, having many of them lived through the stagnation and tumultuous final years of the Soviet Union, a lot figured that hey, turns out the party lied to us about a ton of stuff and the US came out on top and with flying colors, why not give their way of doing things a try I mean how bad could it be? Then Yeltstin shelled Parliament and we got a nice taste of sugar free capitalism BULBASAUR has issued a correction as of 23:35 on Jan 12, 2019 |
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There are some extremely  stories of the fall of the USSR with people getting paid in vacuum cleaners instead of money and life expectancy dropping like 20 years overnight
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MikeCrotch posted:There are some extremely I’ve worked jobs in America and not gotten paid at all also life expectancy is dropping rapidly lmao
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MikeCrotch posted:It would be better to go through with Brexit and end austerity than the other way round. Brexit will cause far more damage in ten years than austerity has, even if we can shrug off the Tories to undo it without a wider socialist alliance working through the EU.
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MikeCrotch posted:There are some extremely Hypernormalisation is what you need to watch to be prepared imo
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Brexit will cause far more damage in ten years than austerity has, even if we can shrug off the Tories to undo it without a wider socialist alliance working through the EU. Hard Brexit maybe Not all brexits would come with a 6 digit casualty figure though, that's an insane thing I think
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MikeCrotch posted:Hard Brexit maybe That's got to be the most myopic take on it possible without actually saying brexit will be fine. Probably the biggest deal will be that the far right's already getting a boost from getting their own way with the vote and the split itself will be even better proof that they can just keep pushing propaganda to divide and rule, both here and in the EU. Everyone really really hopes if we actually leave the EU (whatever that means) the economic damage especially in the long term turns out that limited but the figures that have been thrown around don't suggest that. And apart from the impact on our own economies and the knock-on effect of the damage it will do to the EU as our primary market, we'll all be that much more vulnerable to geopolitical issues and that much less capable of cooperating directly on large-scale development initiatives with better economy of scale. Not to mention the shrinking pool of talent for getting basically anything done. If it is anything less than that you might imagine there's no reason for all the fuss over brexit in the first place as you could indeed fairly easily spend your way out of sub six figure 'casualities', given that austerity has literally been just not doing that. Surprise Giraffe has issued a correction as of 00:56 on Jan 13, 2019 |
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BULBASAUR posted:
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genericnick posted:To be fair the whole of Luxembourg's buisnessmodel is doing those tax scams, so I wouldn't say the EU did a particularly good job in banning them. To be fair the whole of the City of London's business model is doing tax scams funnelling illicit wealth into offshore holding accounts in British Offshore Territories like the Cayman Islands and the Channel Islands. Taking a cut from funnelling huge amounts of illicit money on behalf of 3rd-world dictators raping their countries and drug cartels is pretty much the backbone of the UK financial services industry. Zeroisanumber posted:You'll be picking bugs out of your 3-day old pottage, just like your ancestors. I'll be down in the public parks at night along with the feared Romanian immigrants, catching my quota of sweet sweet swan meat.
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Elevator Screamer posted:I'll be down in the public parks at night along with the feared Romanian immigrants, catching my quota of sweet sweet swan meat. IIRC poachers are still banished to Botany Bay, so good luck with that.
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Zeroisanumber posted:IIRC poachers are still banished to Botany Bay, so good luck with that. Gets him out of Britain, at least.
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After years of austerity, then brexit and then rampant privatization the last survivors of the British hellscape finally decide to vote out tories and centrists. Promptly becoming another example of "see? socialism never works."
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1084408844988624896
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like all people who forgot to do their coursework until the last minute, parliament going for an extension, the most pathetic option
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MikeCrotch posted:Hard Brexit maybe a lot of brexits, basically any forseeable one, would come with thousands of casualties. there are 65 million people in the UK if you gently caress with their medicine, food and services then they die this is how the tories killed hundreds of thousands, small changes have big impacts over large populations and both tory austerity and virtually any brexit are large changes over large populations
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Why would brexit end austerity?
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Why would brexit end austerity? A lot of the strain gets taken off government services if enough of the population is simply left to die.
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Why would brexit end austerity? It's not that Brexit = End of austerity, it's that Labour may have to choose following through with Brexit in some capacity in order to get into power, which I think is increasingly unlikely but I still don't think the tide has turned enough among Labour voters who voted leave for that to be a certainty. It's also that there is more than one possible brexit, clearly a no-deal brexit would be catastrophic, but for millions of people the catastrophe of austerity has already happened to them, which is why I don't have much sympathy for FBPEs who just want to go back to 2012 and have Nick Clegg be a respected politician again.
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for any non-brits wondering why we're such a hellscape this is why. Guido is only listed since the alex wickham is from there https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1084405883164131328
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also in the times today https://twitter.com/Zubhaque/status/1084421515603574784
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Hentai Jihadist posted:like all people who forgot to do their coursework until the last minute, parliament going for an extension, the most pathetic option i've been there
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MikeCrotch posted:Hard Brexit maybe that many people will easily die from preventable deaths stemming from brexit, the only question is "over how long of a timeline" 2 months? 10 years? who knows, but everything about brexit means vulnerable people will die from lack of stuff
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