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Big Mean Jerk posted:Had anything else been announced or rumored besides those two? Gambit has basically been dead for a while, and I think there was some extremely vague talk after Logan came out about maybe doing an X-23/Laura movie? The follow up to Deadpool 2 was going to be a no fooling this time X-Force movie with Cable, Domino, and Deadpool.
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If Marvel had a Silver Surfer movie out in a year or two but played it completely straight with no humour or quips at any point, just very deliberate and not all that self-aware all the way through and the conflict is all existential and the Surfer doesn't resolve the story by fighting Galactus with laser beams or some clever cosmic trickery (a la Dr Strange coming to bargain with Dormammu), would people complain that it was breaking the formula and bemoan the lack of lightness or quips, or would it be praised for doing so?
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You mean, what if Marvel made an art film? It would probably be critically praised but no one would see it. Assuming it's good.
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Jan 13, 2019 14:33
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Logan was a pretty massive shift from previous X-Men films and it was a huge success.
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Jan 13, 2019 15:00
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Wheat Loaf posted:Reminder that Warren Beatty is 81 years old. Tell him that
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Jan 13, 2019 15:19
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Logan was a pretty massive shift from previous X-Men films and it was a huge success. Logan wasn't an art film. However, I think everything released in the MCU will do well until maybe the first movie after the first really bad one is released.
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Jan 13, 2019 16:42
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Rhyno posted:Isn't Warren Beatty still squatting on the rights? Yeah, Tribune tried to say he couldn't have them any more because he wasn't doing anything with them. So in return Beatty produced a special where he got interviewed in character by Leonard Maltin. Wheat Loaf posted:I think that any future adaptation of Dick Tracy should lean hard in the same direction as the movie, but I feel like, the way things are adapted today, they'd approach it in a way that uses words like "grounded" and "gritty".  Dick Tracy originally started as a fairly realistic cop comic. It's just been around long enough that it's been through a lot of genre changes, like how for a while it had a sci-fi angle and in fact Dick Tracy's granddaughter is half alien.
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Jan 13, 2019 16:50
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howe_sam posted:The follow up to Deadpool 2 was going to be a no fooling this time X-Force movie with Cable, Domino, and Deadpool. Really surprised that at least this isnt happening.
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Jan 13, 2019 17:09
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Shageletic posted:Really surprised that at least this isnt happening.
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Jan 13, 2019 17:11
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FlamingLiberal posted:I guess it’s possible that it still could, but we don’t even know Marvel’s plans for X-Men/FF yet. It’s possible in the summer we will know more when they announce what movies are coming out after Spider-Man Far From Home I really hope they don't mess up MCU X-Men. Going to be really interesting to see how they make it different from Fox X-Men. I'm guessing colorful costumes. It'd be kind of hilarious if Dark Phoenix ends with Jean somehow mashing universes together but they change into new actors at the end. Except for JLaw who gets stuck doing X-Men movies forever.
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Jan 13, 2019 17:24
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Spacebump posted:I really hope they don't mess up MCU X-Men. Going to be really interesting to see how they make it different from Fox X-Men. I'm guessing colorful costumes. It'd be kind of hilarious if Dark Phoenix ends with Jean somehow mashing universes together but they change into new actors at the end. Except for JLaw who gets stuck doing X-Men movies forever. Nah, if MCU gets the X-men I'd expect completely different casting, and probably different characters. Maybe with a guest appearance from Deadpool or one of his friends to quickly poke fun at it and move on.
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Jan 13, 2019 17:28
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Cythereal posted:Nah, if MCU gets the X-men I'd expect completely different casting, and probably different characters. Maybe with a guest appearance from Deadpool or one of his friends to quickly poke fun at it and move on. deadpool cameos should be the new stan lee cameos
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Jan 13, 2019 17:32
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Cythereal posted:Nah, if MCU gets the X-men I'd expect completely different casting, and probably different characters. Maybe with a guest appearance from Deadpool or one of his friends to quickly poke fun at it and move on. I assume they will have all new actors (except maybe Deadpool), it'd just be funny if JLaw got stuck in the franchise since she has apparently hated it for a long time. If they don't use either Dark Phoenix or Infinity War to add mutants to the MCU it's a missed opportunity. The only other way I can think retroactively adding mutants to the MCU is a powerful telepath (like Xacier) has been hiding the existence of them until they die or something. If they used Xavier this way, it'd be weird not to have MCU Xavier but it could instantly establish why so many people hate mutants compared to super heroes. I can't imagine completely different characters though. Despite a million X-Men existing, I'd be shocked if they don't use Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Jean, Xavier, and Magneto. It would be cool if the first movie had the actual original team and no Wolverine.
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Jan 13, 2019 17:39
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Spacebump posted:It would be cool if the first movie had the actual original team and no Wolverine. They'd need to use mid- and post-credits scenes to replicate the old "last panel of the story" moments where Professor X declares, "TO ME, MY X-MEN! I HAVE JUST DETECTED THE MOST DANGEROUS MUTANT WE HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED -- THIS COULD MEAN THE END OF THE EARTH!"* then next issue it turns out to be Vanisher or Blob or loving Unus the Untouchable. muscles like this! posted:
True enough; the movie was already sort of like Batman '89 meets Roger Rabbit. Honestly, as much fun as Darkman is, I think Dick Tracy is my favourite Batman '89 copycat. It seems like one of those movies which are a passion project informed heavily by the nostalgia of the person behind it, which unfortunately nobody else has nostalgia for (see also: Valerian). * Possibly with a thought bubble stemming off from it saying, "NO ONE MUST KNOW OF MY LOVE FOR JEAN GREY... BUT HOW COULD SHE EVER LOVE... A CRIPPLE?!!!"
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Jan 13, 2019 18:12
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I'm a huge MCU fan but Feige really needs to start taking more risks after Endgame wraps up. Even if it's a Star Wars situation where they can still release the main Marvel-style blockbusters but also something really different and more adult every year like a Logan. A seperate Marvel-Adult line of completely isolated standalone films would be amazing (Just, you know, with a better name that doesn't make it sound like porn)
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Jan 13, 2019 18:41
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Spacebump posted:If they don't use either Dark Phoenix or Infinity War to add mutants to the MCU it's a missed opportunity. The only other way I can think retroactively adding mutants to the MCU is a powerful telepath (like Xacier) has been hiding the existence of them until they die or something. If they used Xavier this way, it'd be weird not to have MCU Xavier but it could instantly establish why so many people hate mutants compared to super heroes. Or they handle just like any of the retcons they've added to the MCU's history and just say "hey, there are mutants now " and move on. Marvel's big secret is that they don't worry that much about making the pieces fit. So my personal hunch is that Wanda isn't going to shout "No, more Mutants" at the end of Infinity War. Instead they'll just do something like X-Men: Season One, where Jean (or whoever our POV character winds up being) goes to Xavier's School for the Gifted not knowing what Gifted means and we're off to the races.
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howe_sam posted:Or they handle just like any of the retcons they've added to the MCU's history and just say "hey, there are mutants now " and move on. Marvel's big secret is that they don't worry that much about making the pieces fit. So my personal hunch is that Wanda isn't going to shout "No, more Mutants" at the end of Infinity War. Instead they'll just do something like X-Men: Season One, where Jean (or whoever our POV character winds up being) goes to Xavier's School for the Gifted not knowing what Gifted means and we're off to the races. Wouldn't mutants retroactively always existing be by far the biggest MCU retcon? Handling it as they always existed probably wouldn't work as well. I'm betting it's going to have something to do with what happens at the end of Endgame. Unless they go with a very small global mutant population to start. I really hope they don't mess it up, the X-Men are one of the best parts of Marvel. (or at least were I haven't read any X-Men comics in a long time.) It's already bad enough that Venom isn't in the MCU/they didn't use Peter off planet in Infinity War as a way to get the symbiote. Thank a lot Sony.
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Jan 13, 2019 19:04
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They can say that the mutants are just starting to appear due to cosmic radiation caused by Thanos or something. The mutants we have in the movies could be the firsts.
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Remember when Terrigenesis happened in the MCU? Of course you don't, because it was only in Agents of SHIELD! 
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CityMidnightJunky posted:I'm a huge MCU fan but Feige really needs to start taking more risks after Endgame wraps up. Even if it's a Star Wars situation where they can still release the main Marvel-style blockbusters but also something really different and more adult every year like a Logan. A seperate Marvel-Adult line of completely isolated standalone films would be amazing (Just, you know, with a better name that doesn't make it sound like porn) I'm also on that team. Fox finally did something right by diversifying their roster with Logan, Deadpool and - in theory - New Mutants. It would be a great idea to keep a separate microcosm where they try other stuff, like a period piece F4 and an existential dread Silver Surfer.
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scary ghost dog posted:deadpool cameos should be the new stan lee cameos Random delivery guy is Deadpool in full outfit, nobody bats an eye.
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Jan 13, 2019 20:14
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They should explain it by Deadpool loving up the timeline at the end of Deadpool 2 and thus giving rise to the MCU
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Jan 13, 2019 20:38
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They either shouldn't address it at all, like everything else timeline and continuity-related in the comics, or they should mention reality being recreated after Endgame and then never ever mention it again. Especially in regard to any Fox properties coming in. Nobody gave a poo poo when suddenly Pym Ant-man had been around since the 60s. Coming up with some wanky explanation for something that's a product of real-world circumstance is just going to disappoint or frustrate people for no benefit. They can just ignore it and make movies about guys with laser eyes and sword fingers.
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Chickenwalker posted:They either shouldn't address it at all, like everything else timeline and continuity-related in the comics, or they should mention reality being recreated after Endgame and then never ever mention it again. Especially in regard to any Fox properties coming in. Pym Ant-Man made sense because he was operated in secret for the US government on classified missions. The public not knowing about an evolved race of people with special powers is harder to explain away. Especially considering how dramatic it can be when young mutants first get their powers.
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scary ghost dog posted:deadpool cameos should be the new stan lee cameos I would be so in for that. Deadpool is great for fourth wall breaking stuff and Reynolds pushed for the Deadpool movies because he’s so enthusiastic about the character. If someone’s gonna do cameos, might as well be the actual fan of the comics.
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Jan 13, 2019 21:53
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Bruceski posted:Random delivery guy is Deadpool in full outfit, nobody bats an eye. deadpool on the subway car reading a newspaper while spider-man and ock fight past him
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Jan 13, 2019 22:12
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Spacebump posted:Pym Ant-Man made sense because he was operated in secret for the US government on classified missions. The public not knowing about an evolved race of people with special powers is harder to explain away. Especially considering how dramatic it can be when young mutants first get their powers. What is the risk of trying to come up with some convoluted retcon explanation that they're going to read while staring directly at the camera? Maybe it lives up to your expectations, but will it please everyone? What if half of everyone is angry with the explanation that Thanos created mutants, or that mutants are actually Inhumans, or that they came out of the Hulk's butt? Now what are the benefits? What bearing does the provenance of mutants really have on the story that you're going to tell? How often has it been relevant that the X-Men are the result of atomic tests or super soldier experiments and that the X stands for eXtra power to any of the movies so far, or the comics for that matter? Now what if you just don't bother with it at all, and just get on with trying to tell a decent story?
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Spacebump posted:Pym Ant-Man made sense because he was operated in secret for the US government on classified missions. The public not knowing about an evolved race of people with special powers is harder to explain away. Especially considering how dramatic it can be when young mutants first get their powers. It's pretty convenient that they're led by a Mind Wiping rear end in a top hat then
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Chickenwalker posted:What is the risk of trying to come up with some convoluted retcon explanation that they're going to read while staring directly at the camera? Maybe it lives up to your expectations, but will it please everyone? What if half of everyone is angry with the explanation that Thanos created mutants, or that mutants are actually Inhumans, or that they came out of the Hulk's butt? Part of telling a decent story is establishing the character. They don't have to constantly bring up why mutants exist in the comics since they've been there since the 60s. An explanation some people don't like is better than no explanation. Fans tend to not like bad retcons. Didn't just about everyone that saw the Loki retcon not like it? At the very least, somewhat ripping off Zero Hour to add things when they fix the damage from the snap would be an explanation. If you don't explain why mutants exist, nothing is really done to differentiate them from other's with powers. This takes away from the X-Men. The bearing the origin of mutants has on the story is huge. They are much more sympathetic if they are naturally occurring and anyone's family member could turn out to be one when they hit puberty. If all mutants came out of the Hulk's butt or are made in labs, there are much less stories one can tell. For instance, why would Magneto not be recruiting anyone with powers? Xavier and Charles big disagreement about how mutants place within humanity is better if mutants are naturally occurring. When they have the perfect opportunity to make such a massive change to their universe, it's probably best to use it. They just existed the whole time and nobody talked about them doesn't work with things like Nick Fury recruiting for the Avengers Initiative. I'm hopeful that the MCU will do something to explain it. Even if it's just Xavier messing with people's memories, it'd go a long way to making it fit better in the MCU. No explanation would be worse writing than a bad one. Samuringa posted:It's pretty convenient that they're led by a Mind Wiping rear end in a top hat then I agree, that's one of the paths they should consider taking. FlamingLiberal posted:The X is for Xtreme That's just for the failed almost Summers brother.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:That movie is so weird because it was a huge deal at the time, starred a ton of big stars, got 7 academy award nominations, and then it seems like it was almost completely memory-holed.
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Beatty was a huge deal at the time. If he says hey I'm making the movie I've been dying to do forever you wanna come ham it up, I don't think it'd be a hard sell
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Timeless Appeal posted:I don't think it's weird. I mean Burton's Batman films were huge deals and they are also not often discussed anymore. it's a thirty year film. I never stopped talking about Batman 89. All the way up till "Heath Ledger will never be able to match Jack Nicholson's intensity" and through "well Nicholson was just doing a Cesar Romero impression"
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Yeah, Burton's Batman had a long lasting impact on both the Batman character and superhero movies as a class of film. It spawned countless imitations. Dick Tracy was virtually forgotten a few years after it came out, and didn't really even survive for nostalgia purposes.
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I guess I had the different experience of it being constantly rerun in WPIX into the late 90s.
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I think Batman had the benefit of being a game-changer. Dick Tracy, on the other hand, was pretty much riding Batman’s and Who Framed Roger Rabbit’s coattails. That, and Batman’s aesthetic was pretty darned flawless, whereas Tracy’s, while interesting, didn’t quite rise to the challenge.
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Phylodox posted:That, and Batman’s aesthetic was pretty darned flawless, whereas Tracy’s, while interesting, didn’t quite rise to the challenge. No offense to anyone here who likes it, but there's something about the garishness and the prosthetics and the way it was shot and graded that just makes me queasy when I see it for some reason.
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Chickenwalker posted:No offense to anyone here who likes it, but there's something about the garishness and the prosthetics and the way it was shot and graded that just makes me queasy when I see it for some reason. It was an interesting experiment. Absolutely vast use of matte paintings made it, like, 60% cartoon to begin with. And the use of only (I think) seven bright, basic colours, and the fact that the camera almost never moves to simulate a comic book panel are fascinating choices. It’s something we see improved upon in Ang Lee’s Hulk, and possibly perfected in Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. But, yes, it’s almost difficult to watch. Except for the scenes with Madonna, because she’s mesmerizing.
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I think Tracy was just too old, and didn't have any modern media feeding new ideas into the character other than a bizarrely done, mostly unread daily strip. It didn't have the resonance of Batman still being top of mind after so many years regardless of the actual merits or lack thereof in the film.
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Ironically i think the film would be remembered more of it had been an embarrassing flop instead of a moderate success.
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