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MrOnBicycle posted:I'm still cautiously optimistic about it, but when I read it that it's competing with the Zoe I get a bit worried. I like the Zoe but it's impossible to justify such an expensive car for how utterly poor the interior quality and NVH is. Also way too slow... and the battery costs like $80 / month. You pay extra for the loving battery??
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HI BRADYOlympic Mathlete posted:Honda's EV Concept was shown at 2017's Geneva show and looked cool if slightly featureless. Goddamnit, what is it that was printed on the cluster Dave got for his late 70s/early 80s Civic? Hi <somebody> Because that's what's popping to mind now. e: THANK YOU randomidiot fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jan 14, 2019 |
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STR posted:Goddamnit, what is it that was printed on the cluster Dave got for his late 70s/early 80s Civic? Hi Brady
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Olympic Mathlete posted:You pay extra for the loving battery?? There are a couple of EVs which offload the battery price to a monthly lease, so at first glance the car doesn't appear that much more expensive than a combustion engine (and you don't have to explain the customer why the car is so expensive in regard to what you might save (depending on country, having access to photovoltaik etc. pp.).
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So wait... what happens if you default on the battery payment? Do they swing by and repossess the battery?
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tuo posted:There are a couple of EVs which offload the battery price to a monthly lease, so at first glance the car doesn't appear that much more expensive than a combustion engine (and you don't have to explain the customer why the car is so expensive in regard to what you might save (depending on country, having access to photovoltaik etc. pp.). That wouldn't be so bad if the thing wasn't already at least £7k more than the equivalent small car.
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Another EV that will look like poo poo. It's almost as if the industry is trying to make them fail.
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STR posted:So wait... what happens if you default on the battery payment? quote:14.1.4 if you have failed to return the Battery, a sum equal to its Insured Value at the date of the Termination Event. “Insured Value” means the amount (indicated as such in the Schedule) being an amount to offset any financial loss suffered by us in the case of damage or total loss of the Battery. The Insured Value will reduce by 10% each calendar year, reduction beginning at the start of the 13th month of this Hire Agreement; Probably come round and seize the entire car if you don't pay up the EUR4k to buy out the battery lease.
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No. 6 posted:Another EV that will look like poo poo. It's almost as if the industry is trying to make them fail. 
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Funny, lightly crash damaged Zoe's with the batteries removed go for next to nothing on eBay, I've wondered how difficult making your own pack would be, my conclusion was I can't be arsed to even do the math.
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cakesmith handyman posted:Funny, lightly crash damaged Zoe's with the batteries removed go for next to nothing on eBay, I've wondered how difficult making your own pack would be, my conclusion was I can't be arsed to even do the math. Just buy a generator and run it in the trunk!
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Olympic Mathlete posted:That wouldn't be so bad if the thing wasn't already at least £7k more than the equivalent small car. Mind you, I'm not trying to defend the Leaf. I (or test driving my car) made my parents buy an i3, and apart from them loving it to death (it's so fun to drive if you are not going for highway speed records), after two years of having it (fueled by a photovoltaik system), we calculated that in about two years time, they brake even with what it cost more than a comparable 2series (which is less fun to drive...I mean the mini-van one, not the coupe/convertible). And BMW doesn't lease the battery to you, but sell it for quite some money (but you can even upgrade it if a bigger one comes around, though that costs stupid amounts of money, because BMW gives you nothing but spare change for the old one).
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dissss posted:There is a narrow body 3rd gen too. Tax brackets make for some weird cars. I don’t think that many of the narrow bodies were sold.
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That being said the 3rd Gen Supra is far and away the best looking one. In particular, the restyled ones with the full width taillights.
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Ripoff posted:I agree 100%; the car rags drool over sports cars and give loads of good press, but I hardly doubt that the investment is ever worth it. The GT86/BRZ is also a cautionary tale for what sports car drivers want versus what actually sells. I barely see them on the roads which is weird as hell considering it was the “it car” for magazines back in the day, not unlike what we’re seeing with the Supra now. After googling a bit for the sales figures, it looks like the FR-Z moved about 18,327 units in the US in 2013 but it has now dropped to 4,133 units in 2018. Though we may be able to blame that on Subaru and Toyota staunchly refusing to give it more power in an effort to keep it from eating WRX sales. I bought a Toyota 86 GT. It’s basically a updated version of the 240SX I also own. It’s fine.
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Frond posted:That being said the 3rd Gen Supra is far and away the best looking one. In particular, the restyled ones with the full width taillights. Early model is the best front, the facelift bumper looks poo poo:  Rear lights I'm unsure about, I wanted a set of the JDM ones at one point but now I'm 50/50
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The pre restyle cars still look really good don’t get me wrong.
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cakesmith handyman posted:Funny, lightly crash damaged Zoe's with the batteries removed go for next to nothing on eBay, I've wondered how difficult making your own pack would be, my conclusion was I can't be arsed to even do the math. From the research I did on EVs a while back, it seems like battery controllers cost as much as the battery pack in raw materials, so as long as the controller is still in it you just gotta bulk order a pallet of 18650s from IMR or strip a fuckload of dead laptop batteries.
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Previa_fun posted:Also Toyota doesn't have sporty motors anymore, at least in the US. so you're saying we'll have to overnight parts from japan
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Olympic Mathlete posted:That wouldn't be so bad if the thing wasn't already at least £7k more than the equivalent small car. IMO that's not even the whole story. The interior is way, way below an equivalently priced car. I've previously made the comparison of a brand new 2018 Golf GT R-line and a 2018 Zoe Bose package (only acceptable trim level in my opinion). A rough conversion of cost (from my country's prices) is $26k for the Golf (what a friend paid) vs $40k (what I was quoted to pay) for the Zoe. The Golf is faster, more comfortable, much, much better interior, better NVH at speeds above 40-50km/h etc. It takes a looong time to use $14k worth of gas and maintenance as well. Tax difference is negligible. It does look nice and is fun at city speeds. I wonder how long that novelty lasts though as it's not much fun outside city speeds. cakesmith handyman posted:Funny, lightly crash damaged Zoe's with the batteries removed go for next to nothing on eBay, I've wondered how difficult making your own pack would be, my conclusion was I can't be arsed to even do the math. Interesting.... Take the drivetrain components, sell of the other crap and do EV conversion of classic car... I'm off to eBay! Olympic Mathlete posted:You pay extra for the loving battery?? You can buy the car without a battery, but it's like $8-10k more (in my country). No one does this. Most people lease the car and the battery cost is included. It's not that bad, but the problem is the used cars where you still have to shell out for the battery lease. The positive side is that you "always have a good battery" according to Renault. They only replace it at a certain percent loss of total battery capacity (which I can't find now, but it's a fair bit down). The cost of lease is also tied to mileage. In U.K it's £110 a month for unlimited mileage.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:That wouldn't be so bad if the thing wasn't already at least £7k more than the equivalent small car. Where I live you would easily save more than those 7k by going electric over ice
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Supra: I'm disappointed that it's just another BMW. Honda EV: God dammit. At least they kept the side cameras/no mirrors?
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i get that its the easiest way to put a straight 6 in there but also so terribly German. i'm sure Toyota will make a shitton of money no matter what they do, even if sales are as bad as everyone is assuming. and BMW is cool but between them an Toyota it is apples and oranges. Toyota is probably so focused on being the first car company to have a full lineup of electric cars that they don't even give a poo poo about this thing. at least with the 86 it has a toyota body with whatever subaru engine they stuffed in there. i don't see any reason not to just buy a BMW if you want one that bad. i'm going to guess whatever the modern version of a Z4 is costs nearly the same and there is little chance of BMW one looking worse it seems pretty insane to me to take your flagship car and give credit to someone else when your current customers grew up during your golden era of fun sportscars. but at the end of it all whatever Toyota does they're going to do it because its going to make them the most money and i guess that's all that really matters. tbh was never even a huge fan of the thing anyway. and weirdly enough even Nissan switched to V6 for the modern GTRs which is where i imagined Toyota would have looked for as a current day standar. guess that Skylines finally won the war even though Nissan is in shambles and the GTR hasn't been significantly updated in years  Frond posted:I bought a Toyota 86 GT. It’s basically a updated version of the 240SX I also own. It’s fine. yeah it owns. idk how those sales numbers they posted stack up with other fun/cheap cars but op probably doesn't live in a city because there are several of these. at least one every few blocks or so in my city in practically every neighborhood where parking is hard to find. if you can't find one there will almost certainly be be a wrx. there's more older miatas still kicking around than any of them though
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Thief posted:yeah it owns. idk how those sales numbers they posted stack up with other fun/cheap cars but op probably doesn't live in a city because there are several of these. at least one every few blocks or so in my city in practically every neighborhood where parking is hard to find. if you can't find one there will almost certainly be be a wrx. there's more older miatas still kicking around than any of them though Just going by my parking garage at work, which is full of electrical engineers, there's probably at least 2 FRS/BRZs parked on each floor of the garage. They seem pretty popular, or at least they were when the car came out a few years ago.
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Worst part about the new Supra is how completely it's taken over reddit's ads. THAT is their target market? 
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Honda's EV Concept was shown at 2017's Geneva show and looked cool if slightly featureless. Of course the A and B pillars changed. There was no way the ones on the concept could fit side airbags. But I don't understand why it lost the flares around the wells, or turned from :I to some pursed-lipped old lady. Did they think it was too aggressive? I just don't get it. Speaking of things I don't get: Olympic Mathlete posted:Early model is the best front, the facelift bumper looks poo poo: I'm going to be honest: I don't get Supra fans. Every version looks like a boring 80s car to me.
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Thief posted:yeah it owns. idk how those sales numbers they posted stack up with other fun/cheap cars but op probably doesn't live in a city because there are several of these. at least one every few blocks or so in my city in practically every neighborhood where parking is hard to find. if you can't find one there will almost certainly be be a wrx. there's more older miatas still kicking around than any of them though Atlanta though I’m not exactly close to midtown (still within the confines of the city though from a postal code standpoint), and oddly enough the most common sports cars around here seem to be Infiniti G’s.  I loved the hell out of the BR-Z I sat in one day, reminded me so much of the old 280Z, but at that point I was hauling poo poo across states to visit family so I ended up with an MS3. Nothing wrong with the cars themselves, it’s just a bummer how few of them I see.
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xzzy posted:Worst part about the new Supra is how completely it's taken over reddit's ads. THAT is their target market? Highly paid single tech nerds with lots of disposable income and no sense of taste or style? Sounds about dead on. (yeah yeah I know reddit is huge now, but that was its original demographic)
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can we change the title to Post terrible car stuff in this thread: TOYOTA.Frond posted:I bought a Toyota 86 GT. It’s basically a updated version of the 240SX I also own. It’s fine. the 240sx is a fitting comparison because its a neutered s chassis and not a real car anyway
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lol nissan has reached such levels of absurdity that i don't know if they are the worst or the best thing everRipoff posted:the most common sports cars around here seem to be Infiniti G’s these are becoming cheap enough that the altima/accord fanbois are finally buying them up and driving them into oblivion. i would totally buy one if i didn't hate the headlights. probably can find cheaper than a 350z also Zs in general are weirdly popular. the people that actually mod them tend to do it pretty lowkey compared to other fanbases
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tuo posted:Mind you, I'm not trying to defend the Leaf. BMW quietly shelved the battery upgrade program because only six people worldwide ever asked to do it.
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drgitlin posted:BMW quietly shelved the battery upgrade program because only six people worldwide ever asked to do it. They did?  It wasn't useful anyway. I can't think of any situation where someone who was willing to spend the amount of money on the larger battery wouldn't have simply sold his current i3 and picked up a new one with the larger battery.
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Thief posted:Toyota is probably so focused on being the first car company to have a full lineup of electric cars that they don't even give a poo poo about this thing. You mean hybrid right?
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tuo posted:They did? What if you just got the seat exactly where you like it?
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You'll have to pry my ICE from my cold dead hands.
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Colostomy Bag posted:You'll have to pry my ICE from my cold dead hands. Mr. Cool ICE
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