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evilweasel posted:I haven't been watching the hearings but the news reports I'm getting suggest Trump may not have done a super job finding a loyalist for the AG position Will there be any consequences if he does the exact opposite of what he's saying now?
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Jan 15, 2019 17:35
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Does his record back up any of the stuff he is saying? Either the Trump administration nominated the completely wrong guy (from their point of view) or they showed a shocking level of competence by picking someone who knows how to tell congress exactly what they want to hear.
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Booourns posted:Will there be any consequences if he does the exact opposite of what he's saying now? it will be more of a public relations headache for the administration if he does. that's not a lot, but there would also have been no real consequences for not saying any of that stuff at this hearing because he's getting confirmed pretty much no matter what. withak posted:Does his record back up any of the stuff he is saying? Either the Trump administration nominated the completely wrong guy (from their point of view) or they showed a shocking level of competence by picking someone who knows how to tell congress exactly what they want to hear. he's not a trump loyalist and he's the sort of old-guard establishment republican that isn't super fond of trump. it seems evident that republican senators privately told trump they weren't confirming a clear trump loyalist in the AG or FBI position and my guess is that Trump thought - because of that memo Barr circulated - that Barr was a covert trump loyalist. time will tell what's correct on that point but if i were trump i wouldn't be happy with my choice right now. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Jan 15, 2019 17:39
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I'm just surprised they managed to get somebody to say the right stuff during his confirmation hearing, lies or not. Given the general level of competence of Trump appointees, "not a total idiot" is head and shoulders above most of the pack.
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Jan 15, 2019 17:43
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Everyone also thought Whittaker would instantly shut down the probe and it turned out that actually hardly anyone likes or trusts Trump enough to stick their necks out very far for him.
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withak posted:Does his record back up any of the stuff he is saying? Either the Trump administration nominated the completely wrong guy (from their point of view) or they showed a shocking level of competence by picking someone who knows how to tell congress exactly what they want to hear. Lol no, he was Bush's AG and he issued a bunch of pardons to kill the Iran Contra investigation
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Jan 15, 2019 18:02
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The Glumslinger posted:Lol no, he was Bush's AG and he issued a bunch of pardons to kill the Iran Contra investigation reminder: the Bushes despise Trump
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Jan 15, 2019 18:03
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Data Graham posted:Wait, where was the rebuttal to Hewitt's take? Did you find a response article? withak posted:Does his record back up any of the stuff he is saying? Either the Trump administration nominated the completely wrong guy (from their point of view) or they showed a shocking level of competence by picking someone who knows how to tell congress exactly what they want to hear. He may be an old school enough republican that he's still bitter about Nixon being impeached and sees this as his opportunity to correct that mistake.
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Jan 15, 2019 18:04
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Barr is yet another name in the long list of poo poo talking conservatives who then took one look at the actual Mueller investigation evidence and slowly backed away.
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Jan 15, 2019 18:05
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Barr is yet another name in the long list of poo poo talking conservatives who then took one look at the actual Mueller investigation evidence and slowly walked away. He hasn't even gotten to see the evidence yet. He's also literally a personal friend of Mueller.
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Jan 15, 2019 18:06
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His answers on these questions don't tally at all with any of his past writings. I don't know what's going on here, but Barr isn't doing this out of the goodness of his heart. Nevertheless, if he's going to be AG, I'd rather he be a thorn in Trump's side on this particular subject rather than a yes-man and a lackey.
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Jan 15, 2019 18:11
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My question is whether he's being hammered on the whole helped to coverup Iran/Contra thing.
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Jan 15, 2019 18:14
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IMO, unless a congressperson extracts a pledge from Barr to not interfere with the Russia investigation as a condition of his appointment, rather than just an observation that he doesn't currently see any reason it shouldn't be allowed to run its course, you can go ahead and add the Russia Probe to your 2019 death pools.
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evilweasel posted:I haven't been watching the hearings but the news reports I'm getting suggest Trump may not have done a super job finding a loyalist for the AG position Barr meeting Trump: Sure, I'd love to help you and bring law and justice to this investigation Barr anywhere else: Got you, bitch! Bush and Mueller sent me! Best Friends Forever!
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Jan 15, 2019 18:21
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Dead Reckoning posted:IMO, unless a congressperson extracts a pledge from Barr to not interfere with the Russia investigation as a condition of his appointment, rather than just an observation that he doesn't currently see any reason it shouldn't be allowed to run its course, you can go ahead and add the Russia Probe to your 2019 death pools. quote:Stern and reserved in a patterned blue tie, Barr vowed not to interfere with the scope of the special counsel’s investigation, to provide Mueller with the resources needed to complete his work, and only to terminate Mueller’s service with good cause. it's only words, but given that words are all you're getting out of someone at a hearing those are about as good of words as you can get
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Jan 15, 2019 18:23
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Has anyone brought up Barr's past writings? His love of unchecked executive power and his "I think the investigation is bullshit" stance?
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Jan 15, 2019 18:24
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this court case may be a big deal - essentially saying it violates the constitution to compel "essential" employees to work without pay: https://twitter.com/damianpaletta/status/1085224473358409730 quote:Leon said he planned to rule immediately from the bench — meaning he could issue a temporary restraining order compelling the government to pay its employees — a move that could affect the partial government shutdown and force movement in the White House or on Capitol Hill. In the event the government is forced to pay workers or allow them to go home, it could break the shutdown impasse or lead to critical jobs going vacant indefinitely. (ruling "from the bench" means the judge announces what his ruling is in court rather than waiting to draft a memorandum opinion, which obviously means it gets announced and becomes effective much faster)
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Jan 15, 2019 18:25
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Doesn't the antideficiency act preclude the former possibility? Also, I'd expect a ruling overturning the status quo to get stayed & appealed immediately. E: Although I will be extremely amused if the judge decides that the government can't force federal employees to work, on the basis of the 13th Amendment Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Jan 15, 2019 18:28
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fool_of_sound posted:Everyone also thought Whittaker would instantly shut down the probe and it turned out that actually hardly anyone likes or trusts Trump enough to stick their necks out very far for him. thats my guess. i feel like its way to late in the game for Barr to fire Mueller or gently caress with the report and with trumps constant horrible gently caress ups, i doubt he wants to go down in history as this morons lickspittles.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Doesn't the antideficiency act preclude the former possibility? Also, I'd expect a ruling overturning the status quo to get stayed & appealed immediately. probably, but it means if congress passed an emergency law to fund essential employees or you found the money legally you could still compel them to come into work. the decision would probably just be "employees may not be required to work without pay, solve what that means for yourself". and yeah, any decision would get stayed and appealed asap - definitely to the DC Circuit and probably to the Supreme Court
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Jan 15, 2019 18:33
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evilweasel posted:He hasn't even gotten to see the evidence yet. He's also literally a personal friend of Mueller. That didn't stop him from writing an unsolicited letter to the DoJ (which he apparently ran by Trump's and Kushner's lawyers) telling them Trump can't obstruct justice unless he does one of the specific things spelled out in one section of the statute (and ignoring all the other sections).
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All hail Abuela temida, empresa del espacio, segundo de su nombre (and Satan).
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https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1085182155385384960 This is A Good Thing.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Barr is yet another name in the long list of poo poo talking conservatives who then took one look at the actual Mueller investigation evidence and slowly backed away. This is why I can't bring myself to be worried about Barr just yet. Dong Toilet Huckster got read into the investigation and promptly stopped speaking.
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ICMB posted:https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1085182155385384960 It is, but it’s also astounding that Trump’s cabinet keeps screwing things up this bad. You literally just have to follow the right procedures, and they constantly fail at it. And thank god that they do.
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Jan 15, 2019 20:30
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Barr, Rosenstein and Mueller could be the three deep state musketeers to bring down Trumpo, let's see.
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Charlz Guybon posted:This is literal insanity. I feel like they're trying to gaslight us. PPJ, this is at least the second time you've posted a nuclear bullshit disinformation take from Hugh Hewitt, who is the living definition of an empty right-wing shill. Please stop.
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Jan 15, 2019 20:46
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mdemone posted:This is why I can't bring myself to be worried about Barr just yet. Dong Toilet Huckster got read into the investigation and promptly stopped speaking. Mods please change my name to "Dong Toilet Huckster"
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fool_of_sound posted:Everyone also thought Whittaker would instantly shut down the probe and it turned out that actually hardly anyone likes or trusts Trump enough to stick their necks out very far for him. Whittaker made some motions like he was going to and then shut the gently caress up. My guess is someone went into his office and said, "If you do this, you will be indicted for obstruction of justice, and since we have this much evidence you will almost definitely go to prison. That's not a threat, that's a statement of fact." We'll see what happens with Barr. This administration is just too weird to make reasonable predictions.
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Jan 16, 2019 00:35
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Necromancer Overlord Hillary Clinton is way more badass than real life Hillary Clinton tbh, a lot of these MAGA idiots could probably make money doing movie posters.
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Jan 16, 2019 00:56
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The West Wing and the Whopper End. 
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Lightning Knight posted:Necromancer Overlord Hillary Clinton is way more badass than real life Hillary Clinton tbh, a lot of these MAGA idiots could probably make money doing movie posters. The Dread Abuela mythos is every bit as pervasive and misguided as Onion Joe Biden
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Dapper_Swindler posted:it will always be funny to me that clinton is viewed as more left wing then marx and lenin/etc to these morons. The vast majority of them have no idea what Socialism or Communism actually are and think that because the Nazi's called themselves "National Socialists" that they are what socialism represents. Course it doesn't help when you look at the ostensibly socialist states like the USSR and China who's behavior tended to resemble fascists far more closely than anything I'd call socialism. If I had a dollar for every idiot who blabbed something about socialists just being lazy and wanting to sit around doing nothing while others work I'd be a capitalist. Completely ignoring the fact that socialism is a workers movement. Then again these are the same dipshits who think that CEO's work hard.
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Lightning Knight posted:Necromancer Overlord Hillary Clinton is way more badass than real life Hillary Clinton tbh, a lot of these MAGA idiots could probably make money doing movie posters. The 2% of voters who think Hillary Clinton is actually Satanic and also voted for Hillary Clinton are my favorite people
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