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Bicyclops posted:Whether or not Bernie or Hillary said "Black lives matter," neither one of them made a successful case for being the Black Lives Matter candidate. It was always something they'd talk about when it got brought up, but it wasn't a center post for their campaigns, in my opinion. It was a continual source of disappointment during the primaries. Weirdly, I think the best Hillary got about it was during the debates with Trump, but it wasn't enough. I remember them both talking about it quite a lot and usually extensively, both partially getting it right but also both flubbing it in various ways (for example Bernie seemed to think free college was a solution to BLM, like I think he said at one point Mike Brown was shot because there are no jobs, but on the other hand he was routinely meeting with victims of police violence and their families and listening to their concerns and telling them concrete actions). I think they were both learning slowly over the campaign but not fast enough to ever catch up with something like this thread
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xrunner posted:I flew out of ATL last on the 26th and the line started out by the baggage conveyors. It took 1.5 hours. If it’s as long as they say now I can’t even imagine where the line starts. Yeah man, the video someone posted had it out the atrium and winding around by the train, then back through ticketing in a giant snake. It's loving nuts. mango sentinel posted:Im not gonna find the tweet but there's video of the line snaking through the entirety of baggage claim on one side. They probably just used a file photo for the tweet there. I know the one, and it was the ticketing area, not baggage claim iirc, but it's the same difference. I'm not saying there aren't stupid lines at the airport, just that that photo was the rough equivalent of the guy on the boat in Boston Harbor shouting "ItTS A BABY FUCKIN' WHALEY, JAY!" when he saw his first sunfish. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Coredump posted:The hate against Bernie regarding race has always seemed born of resentment that he ran against Hillary. For instance when Bernie was on Seth Meyers his is quoted as saying: Political rhetoric doesn't happen in a vacuum, there is social context. "Middle class, ordinary Americans, Real America, etc." are all dogwhistles for white suburbanites used by people in both parties. The sentiment Bernie was going for was fine but this statement could've been worded better. Also most people who aren't extremely online don't remember interviews with Seth Meyers two years later tbh.
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Gort posted:Not paying the army seems like a poor choice for a leader of a country It feels really unlikely but a military coup feels so much more possible than it should be.
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Retro42 posted:He’s just good at the confirmation game. He’s not making waves and making himself as boring as possible to get the votes. Watch Trump not catch on to that and rescind the nomination.
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evilweasel posted:but then your only other options for baseload power are natural gas, coal, or what? How is the hydropower situation in the US? I know nothern europe is benefiting greatly from being able to use hydropower facilities in Norway and Sweden as energy storage that can pick up the slack when the wind is absent, and the goal seems to be to scale that up further.
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Brony Car posted:Isn't the problem with nuclear the fact that finding a place where people are comfortable with having it is incredibly hard? And that's not even getting started on who wants to be near a nuclear waste site. capitalists do long-term debt financed projects all the loving time the major problem with nuclear seems to be that basically nobody's really built nuclear plants for decades so building a new plant is sort of starting from scratch, with all of the likely cost overrun issues. you need a large-scale building process where people settle on a design and commission a bunch of them so building one becomes like building a coal or a gas plant - everyone knows how it's done so there's no costly surprises.
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These guys are going to be doing a great job, I'm sure "We won't pay you, but please work hard to ensure those much richer than you get theirs"
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They probably call it a rubbish fire. I'm glad we rebelled.
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Coredump posted:The hate against Bernie regarding race has always seemed born of resentment that he ran against Hillary. For instance when Bernie was on Seth Meyers his is quoted as saying: No it wasn't. I voted for him, but I always found his answers to BLM questions in debates to be woefully lacking.
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Slashrat posted:How is the hydropower situation in the US? I know nothern europe is benefiting greatly from being able to use hydropower facilities in Norway and Sweden to as energy storage that can pick up the slack when the wind is absent, and the goal seems to be to scale that up further. highly dependent on local geography, and hydropower dams can gently caress up local ecosystems something fierce. there's a lot of movement towards blowing up a lot of the small hydropower facilities to restore rivers rather than build more.
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Can they actually do this? I mean this is Trump and his crony dipshit's administration, of course they are going to do this. But in a normal legal non-hellworld where government actually loving cares, can they legally do tax returns with no budget in place?
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Well this year I have a very complicated return because I sold my house for like a $25,000 loss after having to buy a roof for it
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foobardog posted:It feels really unlikely but a military coup feels so much more possible than it should be. Its just the coast guard not the other branches. Still bad but they aren't going to be storming the White Castle.
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Gort posted:These guys are going to be doing a great job, I'm sure i could be wrong but i don't think the super-rich get tax rebates that often since they're not earning wages that need to be withheld
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Right, but . . . the nuclear plants don't even get built, is the thing I understand and that sucks. Hurricane Harvey caused $125 billion in damages. That was just one hurricane in one season. It's going to get way, way worse and more expensive. My point is not that nuclear is perfect. My point is nuclear is our best, cheapest, and only option to prevent insane disaster costs and save lives from the wars that will come.
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Bicyclops posted:No it wasn't. I voted for him, but I always found his answers to BLM questions in debates to be woefully lacking. Did Hillary do a substantially better job at it in then?
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I'm glad we rebelled. The UK and USA are both controlled by the same people Just call Trump "Mr Brexit"
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TulliusCicero posted:Can they actually do this? the fund the tax returns come out of isn't subject to appropriations, so that's not illegal. declaring the workers processing refunds are "essential" is, uh, probably stretching the definition of essential to the breaking point but i don't know who would have standing to sue over it, nor do I think a court would decide to step in
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ringu0 posted:Let me help you with that: lol, holy poo poo it is baggage claim. For reference, that guy started walking just outside of Security Line/Area A, which is where the photo I'm complaining about was taken.
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ColdPie posted:I understand and that sucks. Hurricane Harvey caused $125 billion in damages. That was just one hurricane in one season. It's going to get way, way worse and more expensive. My point is not that nuclear is perfect. My point is nuclear is our best, cheapest, and only option to prevent insane disaster costs and save lives from the wars that will come. I find nuclear advocates seem to ignore solar and the declining price points but continue to insist that it's cheapest despite the rampant cost overruns. Please read my previous posts about why I'm fine with nuclear though.
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Feldegast42 posted:Its just the coast guard not the other branches. Still bad but they aren't going to be storming the White Castle. Ah. I didn't remember that. But yeah...
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evilweasel posted:highly dependent on local geography, and hydropower dams can gently caress up local ecosystems something fierce. there's a lot of movement towards blowing up a lot of the small hydropower facilities to restore rivers rather than build more. There's always a caveat, isn't there?
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Monaghan posted:I find nuclear advocates seem to ignore solar and the declining price points but continue to insist that it's cheapest despite the rampant cost overruns. Solar is great and we should continue to subsidize it like crazy. But it's not good enough today. Grid storage, land use, and transmission losses are real and unsolved problems for a primarily solar grid. Nuclear is good enough, today, which is when we need to be acting.
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The previous IRS actions were likely illegal but since they were using fee income to pay for the recalled workers' salaries most experts said it was very unlikely anyone would have standing to challenge it. Recalling 46k people and not paying them however is a very very different story. It's like they want to get a court challenge. evilweasel posted:the fund the tax returns come out of isn't subject to appropriations, so that's not illegal. declaring the workers processing refunds are "essential" is, uh, probably stretching the definition of essential to the breaking point but i don't know who would have standing to sue over it, nor do I think a court would decide to step in Wouldn't the employees have standing, since they aren't being paid? Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Possibly fake, but I can't stop laughing at this: https://twitter.com/PaulLeeTicks/status/1084971028307013632
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Coredump posted:Did Hillary do a substantially better job at it in then? Me: Neither candidate made a good case for being the BLM candidate and both were disappointments on that issue. You: Bernie's failings here were manufactured by Hillary. Me: No, he was actually bad on this issue. You: So you're saying Hillary was better?!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:hey, we go to climate armageddon with the planet we have, not the planet we want evilweasel posted:There's two things: how expensive the power generated by the plant is (price per kilowatt) and the cost of the plant itself. You're talking about the first. What I'm saying is a new coal plant costs billions of dollars - a new natural gas plant costs ~150m. So it's a lot easier to get a natural gas plant shut down because it didn't cost nearly as much to build in the first place, and those coal plants that cost billions are getting shuttered.
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Gort posted:The UK and USA are both controlled by the same people What even was Farage and the lunatic UK Right's goal in Brexit? Make the UK a world power again by crippling it economically and severing every major alliance? What was the real goal? What rich fuckers benefited from this?
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VideoGameVet posted:Possibly fake, but I can't stop laughing at this: It's definitely fake, but it's some funny obvious photoshopping.
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TulliusCicero posted:What even was Farage and the lunatic UK Right's goal in Brexit? Make the UK a world power again by crippling it economically and severing every major alliance? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/18/rightwing-thinktanks-unveil-radical-plan-for-us-uk-brexit-trade-deal-nhs
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:With nuclear there are a 1000 legal steps to build a plant and you can, and probably will be sued at every one Nuclear plants take 20+ years to come online. Solar+Wind+Smart Grid+Store can come on line fast. If we ran wind turbines from Texas to Canada the issue of store even goes away.
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Nocturtle posted:I think we're talking past each other, the cost of building new natural gas was approaching the cost of running existing coal plants, and this was driving the closure of coal plants. It's not the relative difficulty of closing a billion vs a hundred-million dollar plant, just a simple business decision over the best way to allocate capital going forward. The marginal cost of operating existing, fully deprecated coal plants was shown on that graph with the golden symbol at ~$36/MWh, and this is getting very close to the levelized total cost for NEW natural gas capacity of between $41-$75/MWh (ie including costs for construction, operation and debt). yeah, but my point is that there's people who owned that old coal plant. those people aren't suddenly shifting their money to a new gas plant - someone else invested in a gas plant and is basically wiping out the investors in the coal plants. those investors tried, but failed, to get enough of a bail-out from the most pro-coal administration possible because they didn't want to eat that loss, and well they're eating that loss. why are natural gas investors going to do better at government lobbying?
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TulliusCicero posted:What even was Farage and the lunatic UK Right's goal in Brexit? Make the UK a world power again by crippling it economically and severing every major alliance? They’re unbelievably stupid.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:With nuclear there are a 1000 legal steps to build a plant and you can, and probably will be sued at every one Nuclear also is granted completely immunity from any liability claim due to the Price-Anderson Act so please stop with this bullshit narrative that it's them pesky regulations that's killing nuclear.
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evilweasel posted:capitalists do long-term debt financed projects all the loving time My point is that a lot of governments and investors will ask "if you can get a plant running more easily and with more profit and less legal and political headaches by building gas or coal, why sink more money into making it a nuclear plant? Three Mile Island and bad pop culture killed the attractiveness of nuclear energy for generations and the only way you're going to get more nuclear now is working against widespread popular sentiment.
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TulliusCicero posted:What even was Farage and the lunatic UK Right's goal in Brexit? Make the UK a world power again by crippling it economically and severing every major alliance? Putin's main opposition are the EU and the USA. Brexit fucks the EU, Trump fucks the USA. Putin benefits.
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