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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1085727385335545856 to "Childhood's End", presumably. Tormented posted:I mean literally Kassandra and Alexios are descendants of the "Gods". My comparison to Herculus is totally spot on. I mean there is a Isu that literally is named Jupiter i.e. Zeus that its implied bore half Isu-human children. I was pretty good with this up until I met Pythagoras. Being a descendant of literal or metaphorical gods, cool. A guy telling you that it was his duty and your mom's to make a superior baby because The Bloodline Must Be Preserved was real gross. It doesn't help that he was a pretty creepy gently caress. I haven't done any of the follow-up to that quest so maybe it'll get less so, but I wasn't really happy with that development at all. To use the Herakles comparison, it's the difference between the kid being half-human, half-god versus some demigods getting together and only loving each other so they can have super babies. It might be logical, kind of, but it still feels different and I'm not sure I can think of any mythological examples of that happening.
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An NPC in my game is stuck on a pot. I need her to get off that pot and escort me 100' to the next quest marker. SHE WON'T GET OFF THE POT. Got a 2min video here demonstrating the problem. (Apologies for no sound, I guess Windows Game Capture isn't configured correctly.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ugYvLh3FYY At this point, I'm pretty certain I can't knock her off. Tried all abilities I can think of. Leaving the quest for several levels and coming back to it hasn't fixed her spawn point, so it seems that that's now permanent. I've sent a support ticket but egh, not holding my breath on that. Long shot, but I'm wondering if anyone has any other ideas, or knowledge of any mod/cheat programs that function like a console command to reset an NPC's spawn. If this quest was just a whatever random item, I'd not give a poo poo. But I believe this quest directly leads to one of the cultists. The probable outcome of not being able to 100% the entire cultist thing has really put a dampener on my enthusiasm to bother playing, since after 90 hours I am/was kinda all in on slurping up the drips of completion seratonin.
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RPZip posted:To use the Herakles comparison, it's the difference between the kid being half-human, half-god versus some demigods getting together and only loving each other so they can have super babies. It might be logical, kind of, but it still feels different and I'm not sure I can think of any mythological examples of that happening. Greek Gods committed incest to keep the bloodline pure and not meddle their blood line with humans. quote:In Greek mythology, Zeus and Hera were brother and sister as well as husband and wife. They were the children of Cronus and Rhea (also married siblings). Cronus and Rhea, in turn, were children of Uranus and Gaia (a son who took his mother as consort, in some versions of the myth) To continue with Herakles comparison Spartan nobility would really try to only have heirs with other Spartan nobility because Spartans believed their leaders had the blood of Herakles and in such the blood of Zeus. Don't want the dirty other Greek states blood getting in there. That isn't mythological example but my point is to associating heredity and bloodlines believes with a modern form of fascism is just weird and then basically saying well the devs were trying to promote Eugenics. It makes sense in the world of assassin creed. But like any story just because it makes sense it and still be gross and horrible. I just don't see them having an agenda or having a subconsciousness belief in Eugenics and it just came out during writing.
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I'd honestly have been more surprised if Kassandra/Alexios didn't end up with a baby at the end of things, you were being beaten with the "Powerful Bloodline" stick from pretty much the start. You are even Leonidas's grandkid so its not even out of the blue.
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Judge Tesla posted:You are even Leonidas's grandkid so its not even out of the blue. Not out of the blue for dumb things for Ubisoft to do, perhaps, but absolutely out of the blue considering the ways the game allows you to play the character. You can play a Kassandra that is basically entirely uninterested in family and 'bloodlines', so it's super jarring to have that option removed due to a meta-plot that isn't really felt elsewhere in the game.
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Tormented posted:Greek Gods committed incest to keep the bloodline pure and not meddle their blood line with humans. I mean... eh. Humans were created by Prometheus after Zeus was already King of the Gods; they didn't exist prior to that in Greek Myth. It's definitely super incesty but 'to not meddle their blood line with humans' is really pushing it. They were pretty happy to do a whole lot of mixing later. quote:To continue with Herakles comparison Spartan nobility would really try to only have heirs with other Spartan nobility because Spartans believed their leaders had the blood of Herakles and in such the blood of Zeus. Don't want the dirty other Greek states blood getting in there. It's because it's presented in such a clinical/scientific way, I guess, that it really brings the thought of eugenics to mind. This isn't really a DLC complaint specifically, where the idea is to make it more organic (and still produce superbabies). Paracelsus literally got Myrinne to bang him twice explicitly for the purpose of having super babies and because it's their duty. He didn't give a drat about the kids afterwards, just wanted to make them. Judge Tesla posted:I'd honestly have been more surprised if Kassandra/Alexios didn't end up with a baby at the end of things, you were being beaten with the "Powerful Bloodline" stick from pretty much the start. That baby is going to die or, at the very least, be kidnapped and brainwashed or whatever.
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The wording of Dumont's apology statement makes me think they had even more bloodline stuff planned for the third episode that they're now thinking about how to walk back or at least make ignorable.
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exquisite tea posted:The wording of Dumont's apology statement makes me think they had even more bloodline stuff planned for the third episode that they're now thinking about how to walk back or at least make ignorable. I mean at this point why bother, I'm not sure they can do anything much worse than tossing a spouse and baby at you from a removing player agency and sense of ownership over the character perspective. If they're not gonna go as far as actually removing the whole thing, removing the actual purpose and payoff to such a stupid move instead would only make it stupid AND pointless.
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I've hosed everything in the game with the hope of going full Genghis Khan so really this is all fine with me. I'm still waiting for the third DLC to reveal my demigod goat baby. E: To whoever mentioned using the Pirate armour I switched to it and it is awesome. I'd just stored it on my ship when I was running a warrior build and never looked at it again until it was mentioned.
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Morter posted:Permission? Nah Thank you. I didn’t ever thing i’d see someone mistake a cliche for a meme, but now i have. We both had fun in this posting adventure.
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I'd meant to finish up a bunch of the side quests I never got around to but this whole bigoted clusterfuck has sapped any desire I have to revisit the game. I popped out the disc and started another Bloodborne run instead. I'm actually kind of surprised how irritated this has made me. I think part of it is that I just started volunteering with an LGBTQ+ youth outreach this past year after being closeted myself well into my 30s, so I'm extra sensitive to stuff in the community right now. In the grand scheme of the world, it's not a big deal but it just feels like a big gently caress you to my new family. 
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homullus posted:Ubisoft's "this game was made by diverse people blah blah" was a pretty progressive statement for video games back when they started doing it. It's clear now that your own team, no matter how diverse, isn't a safe bet. I want their takeaway to be "let's increase the development cost of future games by a tiny fraction of the total and hire outside sensitivity readers."
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After thinking about it a little more... I don't think I'd be as bothered by this if Kass had at any moment throughout the story expressed a desire to be a mom (or Alexios to be a dad). I can see the rationale for why they might want to start a family and have a kid, especially after what happens to Phoebe, but it never once comes up as something Misthios wants until all of a sudden they want their white picket fence and apple pie. You can have Kass constantly go "gently caress Sparta, Sparta is bad and wrong and stupid and I'll have no part in it." Not to mention we already know Misthios will retain their youth even as their spouse and children age and die. They'll have outlived dozens of generations of descendants, and the kind of person willing to do that is probably the kind of person to whom having a family means jack poo poo. This could have been something reactive to your story choices. I adored Odessa, for example, who has heroic lineage stuff of her own going on. It would have been a lot of extra work, but in an open-ended RPG like this, I would have appreciated Kass and Odessa sitting down and talking about kids. Or just do the Isu cloning thing where you inadvertently make a baby and can choose to have nothing to do with it. Or make the kid Deimos'. It's offensive and bad and stupid, and I probably won't finish Odyssey because of it, much less buy any DLC or a future AC game until all the DLC is out and I can judge a game based on the full game and story, but it didn't have to be this bad. And the 'Growing Up' achievement title is something an editor really should have caught.
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Tormented posted:Your reading way to much into this. Your vision is clouded, its like saying, "See Hercules could only be that strong and do those labors because he has "superior" genes from his Father. So all those stories are about Eugenics.". Your viewing a story medium through a foggy lens of current modern perspective. I think there's a difference between viewing a story written in ancient greece through the lens of current modern perspective and viewing a story written in current modern canada through the lens of current modern perspective, personally. If instead of being in 2018 and dealing with Assassins Creed: Odyssey, we were instead in 1935 and discussing the German film Amphitryon, another story set in ancient Greece, would you also object to people "viewing the story medium through a foggy lens of current modern perspective"? Aside from that, in a broader sense the existence of a baby has, like, really weird and disturbing implications. Did Kassandra/Alexios really just watch as their children and grandchildren grew old and died while they lived forever? In the present day we can see that they've barely aged a day so it's not like that's something you're hiding from your son or daughter as they age and develop diseases. Did they go full Pythagoras and just ditch their children and grandchildren and never be a part of their lives, despite how much they resented having that done to them as a child? I really see no reason at all there had to be a child involved; I assumed the whole "DNA from the spear" thing was a specific insertion to get around the need for them to have a child.
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The DNA from the spear (or other blood sources) was introduced after 3 to deal with Desmond being dead. Abstergo figured out how to create an animus that didn't tap into the blood of the person using it. Presumably the modern day woman who gets the isu toys has the genetic markers needed to activate them - the idea is that there are other isu-compliant bloodlines but they might not have the genetic memory needed to see a particular past... I think. The games prior to odyssey and after 3 didn't have modern day characters using isu technology. It's possible that isu compliance is super rare and modern woman is a fairly direct descendant. Although the pope and assassin leader were able to use apples so who knows, because the last couple games have leaned much harder into the isu story. From Pythagoras/others perspective in ye old Greece the bloodline thing would be super important because they had no knowledge of DNA.
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Zachack posted:The DNA from the spear (or other blood sources) was introduced after 3 to deal with Desmond being dead. Abstergo figured out how to create an animus that didn't tap into the blood of the person using it. Presumably the modern day woman who gets the isu toys has the genetic markers needed to activate them - the idea is that there are other isu-compliant bloodlines but they might not have the genetic memory needed to see a particular past... I think. The games prior to odyssey and after 3 didn't have modern day characters using isu technology. It's possible that isu compliance is super rare and modern woman is a fairly direct descendant. Although the pope and assassin leader were able to use apples so who knows, because the last couple games have leaned much harder into the isu story. I haven't played the other games, but my understanding was that in most of the other cases of using DNA to power the animus, they were usually using the DNA of modern people who were descended from the protagonists of the games. So, we can see the events of Black Flag because Desmond's DNA is being used and the guy in that was Desmond's ancestor. In the case of the spear, it's DNA taken directly from an artifact touched by the protagonist of Odyssey, so they don't actually need to explain how Kassandra or Alexios have kids to continue the bloodline, because there's no plot hole if they never have kids. It would be entirely possible to just assume that Kassandralexios is the last of her/his branch of the Isu bloodline. Given that they made a big deal over the fact that you could possibly be playing an asexual or gay character, I assumed that they'd done this step of not using descendant DNA to account for the possibility that the main character might not be inclined to procreate. I've heard that direct DNA is also used for Origins but the whole "you can be non-hetero" push wasn't a thing for that game AFAIK.
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Reveilled posted:I think there's a difference between viewing a story written in ancient greece through the lens of current modern perspective and viewing a story written in current modern canada through the lens of current modern perspective, personally. If instead of being in 2018 and dealing with Assassins Creed: Odyssey, we were instead in 1935 and discussing the German film Amphitryon, another story set in ancient Greece, would you also object to people "viewing the story medium through a foggy lens of current modern perspective"? Correct but it is harder to be subjective when all around you is having influence on your judgement. Just because its a story written in modern times it doesn't have to be tainted with a modern perspective. Ultimately, don't assume the writer could not distant themselves from current perspectives and they HAD to have been influenced by something distasteful just because you don't like it. It bothers me because I am also a creative type and if I wrote a blood-line story trying to mimic ancient Greek and Norse mythology, it would be insanely frustrating to have people call me a nazi and promoting eugenics just because I wrote it after the 1930's and in the current culture climate. Reveilled posted:I really see no reason at all there had to be a child involved; I assumed the whole "DNA from the spear" thing was a specific insertion to get around the need for them to have a child. Its because they are implying she is part of the primary bloodline that spawns Desmond or some other higher ranking assassin i..e Layla. I will bet that the 3rd DLC is going to show Kassandra/Alexios descendant and they will make it up to "them" as payment for ditching their child just like Pythagoras did
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Tormented posted:It bothers me because I am also a creative type and if I wrote a blood-line story trying to mimic ancient Greek and Norse mythology, it would be insanely frustrating to have people call me a nazi and promoting eugenics just because I wrote it after the 1930's and in the current culture climate. You probably would not be advertising it as an LGBT friendly story, and your character would probably talk about the importance of bloodline and wanting to have kids long before abruptly marrying some schmuck they've known for five minutes. And they'd probably be actively heterosexual before that point. You would make a story where the protagonist choosing to have children to continue their bloodline is a rational and natural decision for their character. And yes, I find bloodline poo poo to be incredibly creepy. People should be free to not have kids if they don't want to, and they shouldn't be thought less of for that choice or presented as somehow failing their family. To me, a part of Odyssey's theme was that family is what you choose it to be. I had Kass shank her dad and her brother without hesitation or remorse. They're not her family, and lost their chance to be a long time ago. Her family is a colorful cast of weirdos and friends she's made along the way. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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Reveilled posted:I haven't played the other games, but my understanding was that in most of the other cases of using DNA to power the animus, they were usually using the DNA of modern people who were descended from the protagonists of the games. So, we can see the events of Black Flag because Desmond's DNA is being used and the guy in that was Desmond's ancestor. Unless I am massively misremembering in black flag you are not a descendant, but just an employee of Abstergo (and Ubisoft?). Abstergo gets Desmonds body after 3 and uses that DNA to power the simulation independently of who is using it. Other games may have been using different DNA, since one of them is in China and another is in India (I don't remember when). It's basically super advanced VR and is being turned into a video game, just one based on lived history (sorta). quote:In the case of the spear, it's DNA taken directly from an artifact touched by the protagonist of Odyssey, so they don't actually need to explain how Kassandra or Alexios have kids to continue the bloodline, because there's no plot hole if they never have kids. It would be entirely possible to just assume that Kassandralexios is the last of her/his branch of the Isu bloodline. Given that they made a big deal over the fact that you could possibly be playing an asexual or gay character, I assumed that they'd done this step of not using descendant DNA to account for the possibility that the main character might not be inclined to procreate. I've heard that direct DNA is also used for Origins but the whole "you can be non-hetero" push wasn't a thing for that game AFAIK.
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Tormented posted:Correct but it is harder to be subjective when all around you is having influence on your judgement. Sure, it doesn't have to be. But it could be. The way we would determine this, surely, is by analysing the text through a modern lens and determining if that analysis holds water. quote:Its because they are implying she is part of the primary bloodline that spawns Desmond or some other higher ranking assassin i..e Layla. I will bet that the 3rd DLC is going to show Kassandra/Alexios descendant and they will make it up to "them" as payment for ditching their child just like Pythagoras did But there's no reason they had to imply that. They chose to write this into the story. What I am saying is that this choice was a bad one, because they spent a significant amount of their marketing on playing up how the main character could have a non-traditional sexuality and would not be required to partake in romantic liaisons without the player choosing to engage, and they had an extremely good justification for why the protagonist might not have procreated, so it's not like they had to find some way to work a child into the plot.
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Cythereal posted:You probably would not be advertising it as an LGBT friendly story, and your character would probably talk about the importance of bloodline and wanting to have kids long before abruptly marrying some schmuck they've known for five minutes. And they'd probably be actively heterosexual before that point. Oh don't get me wrong. I personally don't like how they handled it at all and feel like they did a very poor job. I'm just pointing out that that just because you find the bloodline poo poo creepy doesn't make the writers Nazis or even bad people, just bad writers. I feel like it could have been done so much better.
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Zachack posted:Unless I am massively misremembering in black flag you are not a descendant, but just an employee of Abstergo (and Ubisoft?). Abstergo gets Desmonds body after 3 and uses that DNA to power the simulation independently of who is using it. Other games may have been using different DNA, since one of them is in China and another is in India (I don't remember when). It's basically super advanced VR and is being turned into a video game, just one based on lived history (sorta). Yeah, that's exactly what I said? By "the guy in black flag" I mean the pirate guy. The dude in the animus is some rando living the experiences of an ancestor of the person the DNA sample is taken from. So like if the pirate guy never had kids, there'd be a massive plot hole because how does Desmond's DNA contain his memories. There's no plot hole if the protagonist of this game doesn't have a kid, because the DNA apparently comes direct from the protagonist. quote:I agree but in the main game, regardless of player intent, a lot is made of the importance of the particular bloodline so ending the line does seem incongruous with the story, and in my ending Kass seemed pretty pleased to be sailing the high seas with her murder family, so her wanting more family seems in line with what I assumed was the "Happy" ending. And I'm not familiar enough with all the side lore or in game emails and poo poo to know if the baby or that particular bloodline has some significance. I mean, in my game that was also true for me, but I was sailing the high seas with my boatwife Roxana, and my Kassandra wouldn't have been down for going off and unilaterally getting pregnant off some rando rear end in a top hat. I don't recall anything which required a child, I think I've seen someone say that there was no mention of a child in the novelisation, so I don't see any particular reason they couldn't have just left it at that and then you the player could just come to your own conclusion about what your character does on the starting a family front a few years down the line. It's not like this story is in the main game so they clearly didn't consider "have a baby" to be so important it forms part of the main story, it just drops in to gently caress up your DLC if you don't want your exclusively gay main character suddenly deciding they must get some PIV side action.
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I'm only here because of the marketing push of Odyssey was that a. You could play a woman and b. You could be gay. It provided something that's missing after Biowares suicide, of a AAA where you can choose your avatar and their sexuality which is a huge deal to me. Basically the growing up name should never have made it to the bloody public and should've been axed in dev. The general plotline, maybe it makes sense in the setting but yeah I don't know. And you can have a lesbian character deciding to become pregnant for a child be portrayed in some decent way, if you write as a tragedy. And possibly include one of the love interests there to comfort Kass. To say nothing of the fact that the Misthios is immortal and now you need a scene showing why they are around and not their kid. Frankly them not having a kid makes sense with what just this game shows.
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Tormented posted:Correct but it is harder to be subjective when all around you is having influence on your judgement. What do you think subjective means? People don't live in bubbles. There's no objective truth when it comes to criticism. You'll form your opinions based off of your experiences and reactions, but also incorporate views of other people. Humans are social creatures. Also, "tainted"? Good grief. Society changes and what may have been socially acceptable to say or do at one point may change. This kind of talk is what you hear from right-wing libertarians because they can't say the n-word any more. So be mindful of how you word these things. The writers probably aren't promoting eugenics, no, but they introduced that plot point in their story in a hamfisted and garbage way and that's what's being talked about here, for the most part. It doesn't matter if it has roots in mythology. That's not a shield from criticism and the writers being raked over the coals for this junk is perfectly justified. They chose to write about it. It's also why people rake Lovecraft over his blatant racism and xenophobia in his stories but still enjoy reading them.
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I mean if you want to root it in mythology and not have people complain about it, the story should speak in mythological terms. Not in modern language. And by using modern language you already lose that defense. To say nothing about the fact that at the end of the day modern people are writing it.
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Eimi posted:I mean if you want to root it in mythology and not have people complain about it, the story should speak in mythological terms. Not in modern language. And by using modern language you already lose that defense. To say nothing about the fact that at the end of the day modern people are writing it.
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It's deeply disturbing that SJWs get kowtowed to and an apology two days after releasing this, yet weeks and weeks of complaints about Bioware ruining the entire trilogy of Mass Effect with 3's ending gets an "oh I guess you didn't understand what we were going for" and a half assed DLC that doesn't really fix the ending. Or that Blizzard didn't deeply prostrate itself and beg for forgiveness for "WeLl dOnt YuO GuyS hAVe PhoNES???" Why is it that they're only bending the knee and cucking to people who are somehow surprised that the only way a Greek woman in Two Thousand And loving Five Hundred BCE to have a baby is for her to take semen in her pussy and let the sperm join with her eggs in her womb? This kind of poo poo is making the conservative hellscape future and "Attack On The Family" poo poo seem like it's really coming true. You motherfuckers are literally demonizing a plot with a heterosexual relationship for procreation because MUH GAY BUFF LADY HAD TO HAVE A BABY TO CONTINUE HER LINEAGE WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S NO OTHER WAY IN ANCIENT GREECE?????????? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Eimi posted:I mean if you want to root it in mythology and not have people complain about it, the story should speak in mythological terms. Not in modern language. And by using modern language you already lose that defense. To say nothing about the fact that at the end of the day modern people are writing it. Also don't set it partially in the modern day probably. Can't remember the bit in the Labours of Heracles where he shows up in a lion-skin tux to give away his club. I'd have probably analysed that story differently if that had happened. Source your quotes Reveilled fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Nucular Carmul posted:It's deeply disturbing that SJWs get kowtowed to and an apology two days after releasing this, yet weeks and weeks of complaints about Bioware ruining the entire trilogy of Mass Effect with 3's ending gets an "oh I guess you didn't understand what we were going for" and a half assed DLC that doesn't really fix the ending. Or that Blizzard didn't deeply prostrate itself and beg for forgiveness for "WeLl dOnt YuO GuyS hAVe PhoNES???" Why is it that they're only bending the knee and cucking to people who are somehow surprised that the only way a Greek woman in Two Thousand And loving Five Hundred BCE to have a baby is for her to take semen in her pussy and let the sperm join with her eggs in her womb? loving yikes
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Nucular Carmul posted:It's deeply disturbing that SJWs get kowtowed to and an apology two days after releasing this, yet weeks and weeks of complaints about Bioware ruining the entire trilogy of Mass Effect with 3's ending gets an "oh I guess you didn't understand what we were going for" and a half assed DLC that doesn't really fix the ending. Or that Blizzard didn't deeply prostrate itself and beg for forgiveness for "WeLl dOnt YuO GuyS hAVe PhoNES???" Why is it that they're only bending the knee and cucking to people who are somehow surprised that the only way a Greek woman in Two Thousand And loving Five Hundred BCE to have a baby is for her to take semen in her pussy and let the sperm join with her eggs in her womb? 
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Do you have an actual refutation or are you just gonna empty quote? Seriously, when people complain about story stuff in video games, at best all we get is a "sorry you didn't understand our vision" non apology. Why is this particular instance any different that it's warranting an actual apology and promise to do better in the future?
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Nucular Carmul posted:Do you have an actual refutation or are you just gonna empty quote? Seriously, when people complain about story stuff in video games, at best all we get is a "sorry you didn't understand our vision" non apology. Why is this particular instance any different that it's warranting an actual apology and promise to do better in the future? I don't think anyone's expecting Ubisoft to change it, we're just upset.
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Nucular Carmul posted:Do you have an actual refutation or are you just gonna empty quote? Seriously, when people complain about story stuff in video games, at best all we get is a "sorry you didn't understand our vision" non apology. Why is this particular instance any different that it's warranting an actual apology and promise to do better in the future? Well you hit the SJW button so empty quoting is the most you deserve.
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Jan 18, 2019 01:06
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I think ubisoft hosed up because tried to do a composite of witcher and Bioware with the character creation. they have an overall narrative and characteristics for the character all planned out but they left a bunch of stuff like sexuality blank slate at with player choice which is cool. its also popular to make player characters gently caress things because that sells and it resonates with tons of people especially when you open up the options to do LGBT stuff. the problem is until now, Odyssey didn't make romance a key part of the story, you could basically gently caress who ever you wanted with one night stands/flings. now the story wants you to gently caress for love or duty in straight relationship and made a straight romance unavoidable and there is no out if you made your character gay exclusively.
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Jan 18, 2019 01:07
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Cythereal posted:I don't think anyone's expecting Ubisoft to change it, we're just upset. my guess is they will try to rewrite chapter 3 maybe. its probably a couple months out anyway. personally, i am more weirdered out by the baby plot since you are basically immortal, so you will outlive your entire family line probably.
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Jan 18, 2019 01:09
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