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https://twitter.com/existentialcoms/status/1042215250282471424
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 02:46 |
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# ? Jun 13, 2024 06:00 |
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https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/1085953475207286784?s=19
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 02:50 |
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Coldwar mindset
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 02:51 |
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theres just no way to be sure
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 03:00 |
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cortez...she could be an agent for the spanish crown
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 03:13 |
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love teaching Americans about their foreign propaganda arms, Radio Free Asia and Voice of America
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 03:35 |
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BULBASAUR posted:love teaching Americans about their foreign propaganda arms, Radio Free Asia and Voice of America It's still (?) technically illegal for the US government to propagandize to its own people through any media arm, so we're never exposed to RFA or VoA.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 04:18 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's still (?) technically illegal for the US government to propagandize to its own people through any media arm, so we're never exposed to RFA or VoA. No no, it's only legal for the FBI to propogandize to it's own people.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 04:28 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's still (?) technically illegal for the US government to propagandize to its own people through any media arm, so we're never exposed to RFA or VoA. quote:Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 quote:The Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act is a bipartisan bill which was introduced by the United States Congress on 10 May 2016. The bill was initially entitled the Countering Information Warfare Act.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 04:30 |
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https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1085712809764122625?s=19
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 04:48 |
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https://twitter.com/BlackSocialists/status/1085954525519904769 checkmate
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 05:34 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's still (?) technically illegal for the US government to propagandize to its own people through any media arm, so we're never exposed to RFA or VoA. oh its legal now
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 05:44 |
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lol what the gently caress is this
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 05:57 |
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actually the Soviet Union was good
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 05:58 |
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make sure y'all donate to their gofundme or whatever. costs a lotta resources to make dumbass tweets and solicit noam chomskys endorsement via email
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 06:05 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:actually the Soviet Union was good
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 06:10 |
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https://twitter.com/BlackSocialists/status/1085515195848507394
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 07:57 |
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 08:02 |
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countdown until the bsa guy handcuffs himself to twitter headquarters loomer-style
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 08:06 |
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R. Guyovich posted:countdown until the bsa guy handcuffs himself to twitter headquarters loomer-style ins'Allah
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 12:33 |
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lol
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 13:23 |
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Remember when AOC met with them for some reason
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 13:41 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Remember when AOC met with them for some reason You shouldn't post in here either
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 14:41 |
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its bad enough that libs feel safe to post in the socdem thread. please dont post in the Lenin Lover thread thanks and god bless.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 15:31 |
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https://twitter.com/BlackSocialists/status/1086276792229359623
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 16:03 |
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lmao yes im sure that lenin would agree that the ussr wasnt actually existing socialism
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 16:26 |
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It's trite how often these sorts of socdems and anarchists keep bringing up the USSR and China, or the USSR and North Korea, when Cuba is an unambiguous success of actually existing socialism.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 17:34 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's trite how often these sorts of socdems and anarchists keep bringing up the USSR and China, or the USSR and North Korea, when Cuba is an unambiguous success of actually existing socialism. with Cuba they often bring up LGBT rights violations despite the fact that many first-world countries were worse about them at the time those violations occurred, and that after a massive campaign to educate the population they overturned that status quo exponentially faster than the US did and have been one of the world leaders in recognizing those rights for decades now.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 17:40 |
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Vietnam is pretty cool too imo
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 17:41 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's trite how often these sorts of socdems and anarchists keep bringing up the USSR and China, or the USSR and North Korea, when Cuba is an unambiguous success of actually existing socialism. there's many people within both those tendencies who do support cuba tho
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 17:42 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Vietnam is pretty cool too imo doi moi was even more extensive and capitalist than chinese liberalization.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 17:45 |
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“interesting” back and forth between bhaskar sunkara and hamilton nolan in Jacobin. hamilton nolan got succcccccc real fast Let’s Talk Bernie 2020 this is a pretty good cross section of what are probably the two most visible sections of the social democratic left in the US that have a wide platform regardless of how i feel about electoralism in general, and regardless of the Issues i have with jacobin, sunkara makes cogent points about the qualitative difference between having a capitalist who wants to put in more wonky regulations and Sanders who, at least rhetorically, is a socialist and is opposed on some fundamental level to capital anyway hamilton nolan is cancelled. it’s especially disappointing because he used to write some pretty forceful and uncompromising stuff back in the gawker days. there’s a number of “progressive” journalists adjacent to the socialist movement who seem to have moved right in the last couple years, either for careerist reasons, or demoralization, or they have just lost the plot
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:01 |
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Presidential elections are how Americans process politics, and regardless of how you feel about electoralism, if you don't play the game you're never going to reach the vast majority of people. Compromising your support for left wing candidates isn't some kind of strategic calculus, it's just delaying the spread of class consciousness for 4 more years.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:04 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's trite how often these sorts of socdems and anarchists keep bringing up the USSR and China, or the USSR and North Korea, when Cuba is an unambiguous success of actually existing socialism. Vietnam: ??? ???????, A Primer on Asian Socialism
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:08 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Presidential elections are how Americans process politics, and regardless of how you feel about electoralism, if you don't play the game you're never going to reach the vast majority of people. Compromising your support for left wing candidates isn't some kind of strategic calculus, it's just delaying the spread of class consciousness for 4 more years. i agree with that. and it’s why sunkara’s position that there’s no one else on the national stage even plausibly left of polite democratic party capitalism except sanders rings true
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 18:14 |
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the real failure of sanders is that he has refused to use his popularity to create an independent and organized mass movement. whether you think hes a socialist or social dem or liberal or whatever, the support he has could easily translate into at the very least a 10% popular vote running as an independent or 3rd party candidate and probably even more. that kind of base could form the foundations of a new mass socialist or labor party that could bring together the different left political tendencies into a specifically anti-capitalist national political party. obviously that would not overnight solve all the issues facing socialists in american politics, but it would objectively advance the political consciousness of the working class and advance militant labor struggles throughout the country in a really momentous way. the complete failure of sanders or a lot of his supporters in the social democratic left milieu to advance this idea means that now we are left with the most widely read socialist publication debating which democrat should be supported or endorsed by socialists. the very issue of whether even a self described socialist running as a democrat like sanders should even be supported or endorsed by socialists should really be the debate that is being held, but because of his and other socialists' failure to raise the need for a broad based working class party, the sanders movement and a lot of the jacobin left have basically served as sheepdogs for the democrats since trumps election. because of this we are now in a situation where some "socialists" are supporting not even vaguely anti-capitalist candidates, like warren or gabbard.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:33 |
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You'd think that Our Revolution would have hit the ground running after 2016, but it seems that they were on a treadmill the whole time. I'm guessing they were in training for the marathon that is 2020? If so, that's awfully narrow of them, given that if folks are open to socialist ideas, I'm gesturing with my hands, and boy do I look exasperated
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:37 |
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sorry for continued serious effort posts, but sunkara and ackerman and the wing of DSA that supports them have really acted as a brake on the socialist movement over the last 2 years imo. they continue to advance the idea of using the dem ballot line to build the rudiments of a "party within a party" but they dont really have the organization or clear politics on how this would be accomplished. candidates like AOC dont have any accountability to a larger movement or an organization so theres no way to hold them to this kind of long term plan, theres no agreement about it within the broader DSA membership base so its not like all the members are acting in a unified way on this point, and it also ignores that for a real labor or socialist party to be built it has to be built from the ground with serious support in the working class, not by some kind of electoral trick where you sneak enough socialists into office while hiding that theyre socialists. the result of this is again, that basically theyve been sheepdogs for the democrats and so many folks who came out of 2016 on the path to developing revolutionary politics have basically been taught to get back into the democrats and play this long con that will never end. if anyone hasnt read it, I'd suggest reading ackerman's article "A new party of a new type" because it basically lays out what a lot of the DSA brass have in mind in terms of the future and I really that it's disingenuous to the extreme. to really make their strategy of just using the dem ballot line work (if it even can which Im skeptical of) theyd have to be clear, consistent, and uncompromising in their criticism of the democratic party, even while running candidates within it. instead, the DSA candidates that have run as dems have basically painted themselves as "real" democrats in the vein of FDR with no criticism of the party or its class nature. https://jacobinmag.com/2018/07/electoral-rules-third-party-ballot-line-ocasio-cortez-dsa
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:47 |
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I'll endorse Bernie Sanders when he endorses Vladimir Lenin.
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:55 |
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apropos to nothing posted:the real failure of sanders is that he has refused to use his popularity to create an independent and organized mass movement. whether you think hes a socialist or social dem or liberal or whatever, the support he has could easily translate into at the very least a 10% popular vote running as an independent or 3rd party candidate and probably even more. that kind of base could form the foundations of a new mass socialist or labor party that could bring together the different left political tendencies into a specifically anti-capitalist national political party. obviously that would not overnight solve all the issues facing socialists in american politics, but it would objectively advance the political consciousness of the working class and advance militant labor struggles throughout the country in a really momentous way. Lol
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# ? Jan 18, 2019 19:57 |