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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/scottwongDC/status/1086704895183458304 This is why they call him President Deals
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Blurred posted:If it was something trivial that they had gotten wrong, then I don't think the Mueller team would have been moved to break their protocol by publicly refuting the report. It's obviously something relatively substantial the Buzzfeed have gotten wrong, then. Yea the problem is even Buzzfeed isn't stupid enough to double down on 'actually we're all right' if they don't have a reason to beyond 'our guy pinkie swore' when it's literally the Special Council's Office saying 'this has a big mistake'. So yea, I'm really curious how they play the next couple steps I guess because if they seriously leave it at 'our guy swore' they hosed up
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Your Taint posted:I still say the Dems give him every cent he asks for for border security with the express provision that not one cent goes for a wall. Shout this from the rooftops and go on every talking head show with this message. That proves that although the Dems dont want a wall they still want border security. I know it won't change the polls much, but I feel like we're lacking in the message that we want it, just not in that form. nah it should keep getting lower the longer he keeps the shutdown going.
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cheetah7071 posted:Conceding the point that keeping scary Mexicans out is a desirable thing to spend billions of dollars on feels iffy to me I can see how you could interpret that from what I said. That's probably why I'm not a political strategist.
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If the deal hadn’t leaked I bet this wouldn’t have gone down like this. Now Trump doesn’t get to have the tv try and help him, he has lost more than he gained from this gamble.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:If the deal hadn’t leaked I bet this wouldn’t have gone down like this. Now Trump doesn’t get to have the tv try and help him, he has lost more than he gained from this gamble. That kind of gambling explains how he drove his own casinos to bankruptcy.
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Blurred posted:If it was something trivial that they had gotten wrong, then I don't think the Mueller team would have been moved to break their protocol by publicly refuting the report. It's obviously something relatively substantial the Buzzfeed have gotten wrong, then. I think Marcy is onto something. Buzzfeed is very likely right in the sense that Mueller has evidence that if you look at it you'd go "yeah Trump is directing Cohen to lie and coordinating it, there's no other explanation for this pattern of everyone in contact with Trump but not each other having the same instructions and marching orders". What Mueller likely doesn't have is an email or document from Donald trump himself giving that instruction.
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Jan 19, 2019 21:18
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1086704082390302721 And she should. My family is directly effected by this - my husband isn't being paid and is essential and reporting to work still. They need to stay strong and not give in - you don't negotiate with terrorists. If they capitulate, I am worried about the next thing he will try to pull.
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Jan 19, 2019 21:19
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Guze posted:This is why they call him President Deals This is exactly the trap he's built for himself, though. The Right groaning over this pathetic baby concession is very telling. If he concedes ANYTHING they're going to be pissy about it because they think he can just go full fasc and get the wall (and I guess clear out the Senate while he's at it because why not). If he opens the government with no wall, he looks terrible. If he offers meek compromises and gets the wall, he still looks weak. If he goes full strongman he probably gets his wrist slapped by the courts and still doesn't get anything. Fox News pushed him into the biggest no-win scenario.
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Again people should read this piece that helps reconcile Buzzfeed’s report and Mueller’s statement Actually people should read anything Marcy Wheeler says because she’s smart as hell and is careful in making assumptions and conclusions https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1086694531825844226?s=21
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/scottwongDC/status/1086704895183458304 The Kush does it again 
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Calaveron posted:The problem is that people don't like being referred to as desperate or poor or downwardly mobile or paupers. Remember we're all temporarily embarrassed millionaires and any day now we'll go from making 20k a year to 20k a day I think the problem is more due to the six-figure-and-up taxpayers--including Congressional Dems--who call themselves and others in their brackets "middle-class." Hence even the "left"ish party only talking about raising taxes on the top .001 percent, even though our tax structure is lopsidedly in their favor on everything from social-security pay-ins to taxing unearned income at lower rates than earned income. Those of us who are poor or lower income don't think of ourselves as "embarrassed millionaires" when we're struggling to pay our healthcare costs or our credit-card debt or our rent increases. Those who are making minimum wage--and yet still don't qualify for Medicaid expansion or who live in a state that didn't expand it--didn't shrug off the penalty fines for not being able to afford private health insurance when they were in effect; we just grew more bitter about watching more wealth handed to those who least needed it. eta: There's a reason why millennials, who've been the most shafted by this country's economic policies of any living generation, are more open to socialism and down on capitalism. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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Jan 19, 2019 21:21
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yeah aoc's suggestion is incredibly moderate. the 70 percent bracket would only apply to ~16,000 people. even putting it to 1 million or above would touch a tiny percentage of americans.
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Jan 19, 2019 21:23
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theblackw0lf posted:Again people should read this piece that helps reconcile Buzzfeed’s report and Mueller’s statement yeah this was going to be my response to Blurred's "they wouldn't have bothered if it was trivial" post they have serious interests in limiting public expectations about what Michael Cohen will testify to, because they potentially need him in court to bring down people OTHER than donald trump that coordinated the lies to congress. it's very harmful to their future case if the public expectation is that Michael Cohen has the smoking gun on Trump telling him to lie to Congress and anything less than that is a disappointment i still am assuming Ronan Farrow correctly explained the problem and that the entire dispute is over Trump "personally" telling Cohen something - which wouldn't make much sense, since Trump sure as gently caress isn't reading proposed statements to Congress in advance. Lawyers and corporate people are doing that, he's illiterate
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Gaunab posted:The Kush does it again At least his body of work is consistent. Didnt he also manage to piss off both sides in his middle east trips too?
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Jan 19, 2019 21:27
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This is interesting. Congrats Katie! I have noticed it seems dem leadership has been grooming her for a leadership position . But I’m curious as to why. I mean I think she’s great just wondering their reasoning https://twitter.com/politico/status/1086428068611325954?s=21
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Jan 19, 2019 21:30
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What the hell is with all the time travel Adolf Hitler poo poo, that was answered in The Last Supper by fukin' Ron Perlmen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn9tT_5GLtI Though I guess it is hard to talk to a baby.
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Jan 19, 2019 21:34
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theblackw0lf posted:Again people should read this piece that helps reconcile Buzzfeed’s report and Mueller’s statement okay this article is great
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DACA push starting https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1086721995033718786
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Free Drinks posted:What the hell is with all the time travel Adolf Hitler poo poo, that was answered in The Last Supper by fukin' Ron Perlmen. I havent thought about this movie in years, I loved it when I first saw it. Wonder if it still holds up.
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah aoc's suggestion is incredibly moderate. the 70 percent bracket would only apply to ~16,000 people. even putting it to 1 million or above would touch a tiny percentage of americans. Yeah but the messaging war on that issue is lost before it's begun; people simply do not understand marginal taxation. I can't tell you how many folks of all ages, from all walks of life and all corners of the country, that I've had this frustrating conversation with.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:DACA push starting Hi, the sheer gall of this killed me. I'm dead now.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:DACA push starting Haha, they're still going along with this even though it's been exposed as a fraud no one wants.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:DACA push starting He's doing a naturalization ceremony.
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NBC says he's going with the originally reported proposal. https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1086723989081333762
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:DACA push starting this motherfucker wants to get rid of birthright citizenship and got sycophantic republicans to come out against the 14th amendment. https://twitter.com/lindseygrahamsc/status/1057282345991106560?lang=en Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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Jan 19, 2019 21:42
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lol trump's doing a bit citizenship ceremony in the oval office to show he's not racist
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lol, three years? get tha gently caress outta here
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El Burbo posted:lol, three years? get tha gently caress outta here 3 years to the day until ICE looks you up in their new database and kicks your door in and puts a few bullets in your dog. This is an optimistic scenario
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Cactrot posted:I havent thought about this movie in years, I loved it when I first saw it. Wonder if it still holds up. Based on that clip and the synopsis of the ending I don't think it does. Unless your take away is platform nazis. It's a black comedy and if you read into it, the writers seem to be saying, "guess who would talk to hitler?"
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Failed Imagineer posted:3 years to the day until ICE looks you up in their new database and kicks your door in and puts a few bullets in your dog. This is an optimistic scenario I mean based on past history, ICE would ignore the agreement and continue to deport DREAMers regardless.
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I'm just loving the genesis of this deal. "Alright, how about we ask for more and offer them something they've already turned down?"
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FizFashizzle posted:I'm just loving the genesis of this deal. not sure which is dumber. if they thought this was a deal anyone would accept or that they think airing the deal will turn public opinion their way.
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CascadeBeta posted:I mean based on past history, ICE would ignore the agreement and continue to deport DREAMers regardless. Yeah that too, hence the optimism I guess
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Groovelord Neato posted:not sure which is dumber. if they thought this was a deal anyone would accept or that they think airing the deal will turn public opinion their way. the dumber part will be whatever last second changes trump just made to the speech.
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FizFashizzle posted:I'm just loving the genesis of this deal. Now imagine this process repeatedly happening for a year like it did with his NAFTA replacement negotiations. 
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