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That Fetish Fairy convo actually wasn't horribly offensive  !I mean, I still want to see Titania get sacrificed to Arceus so he cleanses Reborn in flame, but hey, I can't get everything I want. There any more of those Mawuh cartoons?
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ChrisBTY posted:That sounds like a job for...badge hunter Raven. "Also, and I cannot stress this enough, WHERE. IS. MY. FISH?"
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Jan 22, 2019 06:25
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Also considering that this is a route divergeance we're entering the part of the game where Amethyst stops chronicling what actually happened in the Roleplaying community and starts explicitly making fanfiction about real people, this includes the suicide lesbians.
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Jan 22, 2019 06:50
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Kurieg posted:Also considering that this is a route divergeance we're entering the part of the game where Amethyst stops chronicling what actually happened in the Roleplaying community and starts explicitly making fanfiction about real people, this includes the suicide lesbians. I'd say God help us, but God is dead and/or a Pokemon. Welp.
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Jan 22, 2019 06:54
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I personally think people are already thinking too far with their ideas for "what would be better" It's supposedly a Pokemon game. Pokemon games don't have deep poo poo like justification for why a diary is read by the player. It's there, you read it. If it is addressed by an NPC it's done in one sentence "I see you have been snooping in my diary!" DONE
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Kurieg posted:Also considering that this is a route divergeance we're entering the part of the game where Amethyst stops chronicling what actually happened in the Roleplaying community and starts explicitly making fanfiction about real people, this includes the suicide lesbians.  Gridlocked posted:I personally think people are already thinking too far with their ideas for "what would be better" I think it's less about justification, and rather about making the character better. Which is fine.
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Jan 22, 2019 08:30
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Gridlocked posted:I personally think people are already thinking too far with their ideas for "what would be better" With optional "DIE NOW" if you're feeling particularly cruel about it. Nintendo have pulled such, so....
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Jan 22, 2019 08:50
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DiggleWrath posted:Welp, Serra is veritable angel for how she reacted when she heard that Bennett joined team meteor. I fairly confident that she's the most moral character in the game right now. Knowing this game, the writing will still place Bennett in the right and Serra in the wrong somehow.
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Jan 22, 2019 10:56
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Gridlocked posted:I personally think people are already thinking too far with their ideas for "what would be better" Pokémon games have dealt with serious issues for quite some time, they just do it with actual grace and subtlety. Hell, Sun/Moon specifically touched on stratification and abusive families, which is supposedly Reborn's oeuvre.
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Jan 22, 2019 12:03
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Pokémon games have dealt with serious issues for quite some time, they just do it with actual grace and subtlety. Hell, Sun/Moon specifically touched on stratification and abusive families, which is supposedly Reborn's oeuvre. My point being they do so in a very succinct manner made to work within the framework that the game presents. Just on a pure design level did Amethyst really that sitting through extensive backstory and exposition with what 80 characters per text box was a good idea? Edit: Yes I do realize that my argument boils down to "Pokemon Reborn is bad guys  "
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Jan 22, 2019 13:48
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DiggleWrath posted:i did the thing I love this, it perfectly captures the essence of this...experience. Kurieg posted:Also considering that this is a route divergeance we're entering the part of the game where Amethyst stops chronicling what actually happened in the Roleplaying community and starts explicitly making fanfiction about real people, this includes the suicide lesbians. Oh sweet merciful gently caress we're into fanfiction about real-life people now? I'm...honestly not sure if that's better or worse than everything we've seen up to this point. On the one hand, we'll see less of Amethyst taking controversial real-life events and haphazardly jamming them into her game. On the other, we'll see more of Amethyst spinning her own brand of bullshit. This can only end in tragedy...
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DeafNote posted:Knowing this game, the writing will still place Bennett in the right and Serra in the wrong somehow. how dare this overbearing mother refuse to let her child follow his dream of being a pedohpile terrorist
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Question: was Serra actually Bennett's mom IRL? It absolutely wouldn't surprise me, but I don't know if it's ever come up.
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Radio Free Kobold posted:yeah, because the whole point of a pulsemon is to be some giant indestructable wall that takes you sixty turns of plinking away in the best of cases. just slapping the motherfucker with Toxic means the fight is over in five turns assuming no healing, and 16 turns absolute maximum due to Toxic's damage incrementing. There's a Prankster Murkrow way earlier in the game, but I don't think we got it when it was first available (locked to one of the two gangs, Raven joined the other one) and I don't know when or if you can get it again. I used it on all of these boss pokemon fights until I gave up playing this game.
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If there's a split path dealing with Reshiram and Zekrom, does that mean the story is about to talk about TRUTH and IDEALS for 30 updates? Since we all know Ame will not be subtle about it and the last thing this loving game needs is BW's story, but told ~better~ and being more ~serious~ and all that garbage.
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Jan 22, 2019 16:43
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The real question is which route lets you get your loving fish back?
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Jan 22, 2019 16:47
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Kyrosiris posted:The real question is which route lets you get your loving fish back? Neither. We missed that route split back in episode 2, and it's only going to be implemented in E19.
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Wouldn't it be more tone-deaf to have it resolved immediately as an NG+ thing because of time travel? ("RAVEN, IT'S YOU FROM THE FUTURE! THAT DUDE WILL STEAL YOUR FISH!") I believe it's the only other big storytelling cliche that hasn't been used yet as part of the game. Although the only reason I remember that being sideplot is because we keep bringing it up and not, you know, the game itself. 
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Jan 22, 2019 18:35
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Sage Grimm posted:Wouldn't it be more tone-deaf to have it resolved immediately as an NG+ thing because of time travel? ("RAVEN, IT'S YOU FROM THE FUTURE! THAT DUDE WILL STEAL YOUR FISH!") I believe it's the only other big storytelling cliche that hasn't been used yet as part of the game. The game did do a callback to it when we got to the black market. We were able to buy our fish back but it was immediately stolen from us again by some rooftop vigilante.
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Draxion posted:There's a Prankster Murkrow way earlier in the game, but I don't think we got it when it was first available (locked to one of the two gangs, Raven joined the other one) and I don't know when or if you can get it again. I used it on all of these boss pokemon fights until I gave up playing this game. Think we missed it because it's one of the wonderful specific conditions(time + weather + item) nonsense, but it was available to the gang that OFS chose(and could be obtained if you chose the other gang, just after you attack their hideout.) Its also not guaranteed to have Perish Song either(nor Prankster, but Perish Song is an egg move so otherwise difficult to obtain.)
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Crosspeice posted:If there's a split path dealing with Reshiram and Zekrom, does that mean the story is about to talk about TRUTH and IDEALS for 30 updates? Since we all know Ame will not be subtle about it and the last thing this loving game needs is BW's story, but told ~better~ and being more ~serious~ and all that garbage. No it's an arbitrary detail that changes depending on the choice. It's become the name because it's the only way to refer to the split without spoilers, and it's a concrete detail that can be checked. It's which dragon a statue depicts. Neither route really delves into symbols.
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My top 3 list of shittiest characters is currently 1. Gardevore 2. Titania 3. Cain My choice of most hated characters boils down to one thing: how much does the character remind me of TVTropes.
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Ah, I remember my TVTropes phase. Dark times.
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Getting rid of This Troper was a tragedy for all cringe comedy lovers.
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Black Robe posted:"Also, and I cannot stress this enough, WHERE. IS. MY. FISH?" You know, thinking about this. If Raven's motivation is the fish, this makes her one of the stupidest characters in all of Reborn, probably fitting in a way. I mean, think about it. The fish is not uncommon. She could just leave this dump, get away from this sorry excuse of a region. She go to like any other region in the world, throw a string tied to a stick in the water, and she would have a fish very quickly. A fish that would listen to her without question regardless of its level too, even. What, you're saying it's about the principal of it all, and that wouldn't be her fish? What well-adjusted person would put up with all the people in Reborn just for the sake of one specific fish? It's not worth it. Not worth it to anyone but Raven that is. What about the league? Well, same thing. She could go to any other region and compete in any other league, without having to put up with the stupidity of Reborn's. I mean sure, diversions to your challenge in other regions are not unheard of. But they're relatively minor compared to what you have to put up with here, like winning a radio promotion, maybe fighting an evil team in the city. Here it goes as far as Herculean efforts to perform simple tasks. That's not even getting into everything else that's unappealing about the region, either. She is either incredibly stubborn, incredibly stupid, or a combination of both to keep going. Or perhaps they're the only thing keeping her going. This may also explain why she comes across as a refrigerator. She's just so single-minded in her goals of getting this one fish and/or beating this one league, that she hardly cares about anything going on around her. "Some dude walked up and stole this precious heirloom that is also a key right from my pocket? Eh, whatever, where's my fish?" Raven has succumbed to the madness of Reborn. She has become one of them. Of course, she never talks anyone's ear off via 17 dialogue boxes in a row. So that automatically makes even this interpretation of her better than every other character in Reborn.
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SirSystemError posted:You know, thinking about this. If Raven's motivation is the fish, this makes her one of the stupidest characters in all of Reborn, probably fitting in a way. Raven is so thoroughly far gone that it's a matter of spite now. She wants to get that loving fish just to spite the world of Reborn for thinking it could have that little victory.
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GoldGeno posted:Raven is so thoroughly far gone that it's a matter of spite now. She wants to get that loving fish just to spite the world of Reborn for thinking it could have that little victory. I was about to say the same thing, but in general. Raven continues not for the sake of the plot, but to spite the plot itself. It wants to jerk off it's special snowflakes, well Raven doesn't give a gently caress about the snowflakes, she's here for her fish, and her loving Champion status, and then she's on the first plane, train, or Pokemon to a better region, like Johto, or Kalos.
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I predict maybe 5 more pointless deaths(probably based on real deaths) before the end of this trainwreck. And that's me being generous.
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SirSystemError posted:You know, thinking about this. If Raven's motivation is the fish, this makes her one of the stupidest characters in all of Reborn, probably fitting in a way. You don't get it. It's not about the rarity of the fish. It's that it's Ravens loving fish. She brought it. It's hers and everything between her and her fish gets to die. It's the principle of the matter. It's OUR fish.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:If everyone in Reborn is awful, then isn't Team Meteor right? True, but there's the fact that "everyone in Reborn" contains Team Meteor.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:If everyone in Reborn is awful, then isn't Team Meteor right? Part of their goal is sensible but the rest is still stupid and they're just as deserving of eternal suffering as the rest of this game's cast with extremely few exceptions.
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Would be a pretty powerful move if Raven destroyed Team Meteor's ambitions only to turn around and then destroy Reborn herself in a "I'll show you how it's done" moment because she knew Meteor's bullshit would fail anyway. Too bad that'd never happen because Raven doesn't have agency and Ame can't write worth a poo poo.
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SmallpoxJenkins posted:I predict maybe 5 more pointless deaths(probably based on real deaths) before the end of this trainwreck. Does that tally include your own soul?
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SirSystemError posted:She could just leave this dump, get away from this sorry excuse of a region. She go to like any other region in the world, throw a string tied to a stick in the water, and she would have a fish very quickly. She can’t leave, the train blew up. And no one is fixing it because Reborn. I like the theory that Raven wasn’t even trying to go here, it’s just on the way to her real destination. Reborn is the part of the train ride where you hope it leaves as soon as possible, because out the window there’s a hobo snorting powdered Rhydon horn or whatever it is the pokedrugs are made of. But hey, if you get trapped there you may as well become a champion and get a fish. She doesn’t protect any of the macguffins because why would she care? She doesn’t do anything in the cutscenes because seriously, why should she care? She’s gonna win the championship, which is probably required to be allowed to use Fly, and then she’ll leave and never come back and lie about what she did on vacation for the rest of her life.
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Qrr posted:or whatever it is the pokedrugs are made of. Rare candies and chunks of sharp blue glass.
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How much of it is "Fanfiction about real people" and how much is "Fanfiction about characters she made up for real people to play, and then some of them roleplayed those characters beyond the extent she initially intended?" And agreed that Serra gets points for having a rational reaction to being told your son is hanging out with a bad crowd.
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The Golux posted:How much of it is "Fanfiction about real people" and how much is "Fanfiction about characters she made up for real people to play, and then some of them roleplayed those characters beyond the extent she initially intended?" A lot of it is fanfiction about real people because of the use of behind-the-scenes drama for the players from the original RP rather than in-character drama. Things that happened to the actual players have bearing on what happens in the game, from poo poo like an actual suicide being used to custody battles and being disowned or kicked out. Writers who do crap like this don't know the difference between "write what you know" and "copy wholesale from real life stuff that might be sensitive to those involved".
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GruntMountain posted:A lot of it is fanfiction about real people because of the use of behind-the-scenes drama for the players from the original RP rather than in-character drama. Things that happened to the actual players have bearing on what happens in the game, from poo poo like an actual suicide being used to custody battles and being disowned or kicked out. Writers who do crap like this don't know the difference between "write what you know" and "copy wholesale from real life stuff that might be sensitive to those involved". Oh no, this wasn't "Write what you know at all." This was a very deliberate attempt to chronicle the trials and tribulations of this whole 'league'. It's better to not think of Pokemon Reborn as a game. Think of it as an ancient Mesopotamian obelisk. It chronicles the long history of this nonsense. In dramatized form.
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