|
Halloween Jack posted:Right but then her actual campaign was actually based on trying to win these people over and throwing her base overboard. My point is not about Clinton. She lost because she was a bad candidate. Her statement about Trump's base is spot on, however. Hot take heard in the office today, "Those boys are Catholics, Catholics never do wrong"
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 18:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 22, 2024 05:39 |
|
|
terrified of my bathroom posted:lol remember when GE used this song in a commercial for their coal mines they edited around the lyrics about how hosed over the worker in the song is lol
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 18:03
|
|
|
pop fly to McGillicutty posted:My point is not about Clinton. She lost because she was a bad candidate. Her statement about Trump's base is spot on, however.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 18:09
|
|
|
Flowers For Algeria posted:just say "all right coal miners/plant workers you’ve wrecked your bodies to extract/shovel coal, you’ve worked enough, harder than anyone, now enjoy retirement starting at 35 when your mine/plant closes." Yeah, UBI and then just waiting for the population to die/leave is basically the only solution I see for coal country. But, I honestly don't know how helpful that would be. Even if general needs are met with UBI, it feels like a community that's been more or less openly declared worthless would still be toxic. Back in 09 I was unemployed for six months. Due to a combo of good fortune and good planning, I had no money issues, could have lived off unemployment for another six months comfortably. I initially thought it would be great, I'd get to just hang out and play videogames, spend time with friends, etc. I was deeply unhappy and depressed after about 6 weeks. Turns out you can get sick of internet porn and vidja. I don't know what happens when you tell a whole community that they're now retirees because society has deemed them unnecessary, but I don't think it'll be all sunshine and rainbows.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 18:12
|
|
|
H.P. Hovercraft posted:they edited around the lyrics about how hosed over the worker in the song is lol I always thought it was funny when Microsoft removed the line "it makes a grown man cry" when using Start Me Up on their ads for Windows 95
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 18:13
|
|
|
One More Fat Nerd posted:Yeah, UBI and then just waiting for the population to die/leave is basically the only solution I see for coal country. you've got to keep the mines open or expand them. make-work full employment is all that's going to work for some people. a lot of folks are so brain-poisoned by the right that they would never consider a life without work, so we should give them something to do
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 18:15
|
|
|
How many commercials have used The Raspberries' "Go All The Way" just for the opening guitar riff repeated several times?
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 18:15
|
|
|
Serf posted:you've got to keep the mines open or expand them. make-work full employment is all that's going to work for some people. a lot of folks are so brain-poisoned by the right that they would never consider a life without work, so we should give them something to do Gulags but the people all want to be there
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 18:16
|
|
|
Agean90 posted:Gulags but the people all want to be there hosed up but yeah, pretty much
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 18:17
|
|
|
it's not rightwing brain poisoning it's how brains work. even zoo animals get depressed sitting around having their basic needs met without any challenges or novel stimuli. if you're retired with lots of money you can travel to foreign countries or whatever. if you're an intellectual type you can read and think deep poo poo, or at least pretend to. otherwise you wind up sitting around watching TV and following Qanon boards for excitement. the answer is broadly-defined community service. instead of useless make-work, government can pay them to help out in libraries, schools, daycares, etc. nothing degrading, just the kind of things churches or community centers do, or used to do. a human connection to the community and a feeling of usefulness is super important to all but the most sociopathic assholes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 19:43
|
|
|
the rural/urban divide is tricky politics, it is easy to fall into a utilitarian mindset where the only answer is "go where the jobs are". first one needs to evaluate whether having everyone drive ubers in future megacities in the name of economic efficiency is really the entire plan
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 19:49
|
|
|
Ads don't work for me unless they use an upbeat song that is about heroin addiction
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 19:54
|
|
|
Or meth.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 20:17
|
|
|
if you wanna win WV and KY just tell everyone youre going to take the money from the coal companies and give it to the people. Via programs or just straight cash. No factory is going to save most of these towns. theyre dead.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 20:20
|
|
|
Just make more mountain dew factories, the problem will take care of its self when all their teeth fallout and the can't eat solid food anymore.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 20:23
|
|
|
terrified of my bathroom posted:lol remember when GE used this song in a commercial for their coal mines my dad said another day older and deeper in debt on facebook for his 65th birthday. He's worth 2 million and draws a 6 figure public pension.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 20:26
|
|
|
zegermans posted:my dad said another day older and deeper in debt on facebook for his 65th birthday. He's worth 2 million and draws a 6 figure public pension. Some people can never have enough money.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 20:28
|
|
|
ElGroucho posted:Just make more mountain dew factories, the problem will take care of its self when all their teeth fallout and the can't eat solid food anymore. is mountain dew now slang for meth
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 20:31
|
|
|
Business Gorillas posted:clinton lost the midwest not because of the racist vote, but because she thought that everyone was a buncha uneducated bumpkins she could pull a fast one on we'll just train those coal miners to write code bing bong simple 
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 20:39
|
|
|
Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:is mountain dew now slang for meth Even more funny, it's literal mountain dew These C-Spam mods are killing themselves with sody-pop! https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/09/12/221845853/mountain-dew-mouth-is-destroying-appalachias-teeth
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 20:41
|
|
|
Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:it's not rightwing brain poisoning it's how brains work. even zoo animals get depressed sitting around having their basic needs met without any challenges or novel stimuli. if you're retired with lots of money you can travel to foreign countries or whatever. if you're an intellectual type you can read and think deep poo poo, or at least pretend to. otherwise you wind up sitting around watching TV and following Qanon boards for excitement. they're not going to accept community service jobs. they want coal mines, so we give them coal mines and keep them nice and happy. bonus, we can create some more jobs somewhere else burying the coal again
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 21:13
|
|
|
A bigger, broader, revived WPA is a magnificent idea that neither party will ever support.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 21:20
|
|
|
ElGroucho posted:Just make more mountain dew factories, the problem will take care of its self when all their teeth fallout and the can't eat solid food anymore. it’s got what plants crave
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 21:30
|
|
|
Pay them to fight climate change. We're going to need an army to do it and they want to draw a paycheck and stay in their communities. Pay them to do it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 21:51
|
|
|
ElGroucho posted:Even more funny, it's literal mountain dew
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 22:14
|
|
|
Cybernetic Vermin posted:the rural/urban divide is tricky politics, it is easy to fall into a utilitarian mindset where the only answer is "go where the jobs are". first one needs to evaluate whether having everyone drive ubers in future megacities in the name of economic efficiency is really the entire plan Even this is a non starter, were like 5 years or 10 tops from telling or phone to have a robot car bring some groceries sorted by a fresh bot by so we can throw them in the fridge before taking it to work.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 22:37
|
|
|
Shaffness posted:Even this is a non starter, were like 5 years or 10 tops from telling or phone to have a robot car bring some groceries sorted by a fresh bot by so we can throw them in the fridge before taking it to work. how are we going to be making money in this grim future
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 22:41
|
|
|
Shaffness posted:Even this is a non starter, were like 5 years or 10 tops from telling or phone to have a robot car bring some groceries sorted by a fresh bot by so we can throw them in the fridge before taking it to work. is this before or after the campaign of extermination that this sort of advancement would necessitate if our current caste system is to be maintained fact is the only thing that's gonna create anything like this is UBI because a desperate underclass will always be cheaper to exploit than building robotic infrastructure. create a UBI and the lovely loving jobs that pay nothing stop getting done, at which point it becomes more cost efficient to automate it
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2019 22:42
|
|
|
Serf posted:how are we going to be making money in this grim future Enterprising young men know how to fill up a bathtub with ice and are handy with a dulled scalpel.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 05:53
|
|
|
Serf posted:you've got to keep the mines open or expand them. make-work full employment is all that's going to work for some people. a lot of folks are so brain-poisoned by the right that they would never consider a life without work, so we should give them something to do There is something interesting that happened between the 70s and now that made these people right when they used to be hard left. You will recall the documentary Harlan County USA . I’m guessing it was just a concerted effort to demonize unions combined with an implementation of the “bootstrap” mindset, although I’m sure there are more layers than that.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 12:53
|
|
|
Make legislation that says factories have to draw water a few hundred yards down stream from where they dump their run-off
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 13:06
|
|
|
Dr.Caligari posted:There is something interesting that happened between the 70s and now that made these people right when they used to be hard left. They did demonize unions, of course, but it wasn't that corporations suddenly discovered devastating new methods of lobbying and union-busting. Serf posted:they're not going to accept community service jobs. they want coal mines, so we give them coal mines and keep them nice and happy.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 14:48
|
|
|
Halloween Jack posted:I'm glad we've evolved from "rural whites are orcs" to "rural whites are dwarves." as rural white, i feel more kinship towards the goblins than anything else
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 14:55
|
|
|
Serf posted:as rural white, i feel more kinship towards the goblins than anything else goblins are just what tolkien called orcs in the hobbit, they're the same thing. unless you mean like, old lore goblins, which yeah, i can see that.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 15:04
|
|
|
KiteAuraan posted:goblins are just what tolkien called orcs in the hobbit, they're the same thing. i'm tolkien about d&d
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 15:05
|
|
|
Serf posted:as rural white, i feel more kinship towards the goblins than anything else
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 15:08
|
|
|
Zeroisanumber posted:Pay them to fight climate change. what, with like knives and guns?
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 16:03
|
|
|
Shiny Eyes Technique.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 16:08
|
|
|
Serf posted:i'm tolkien about d&d
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 17:12
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 22, 2024 05:39 |
|
|
HobbitGrease posted:now you're tolkien my language Legolas to the polls. Gimli your tired, your poor, your huddled Minas Tirith.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2019 18:30
|
|
