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zapplez posted:I've lived most my life trying to avoid watching bad CBC videos of angry old men yelling at the sky? Hard to argue with that, really.
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zapplez posted:I've lived most my life trying to avoid watching bad CBC videos of angry old men yelling at the sky? Right, gives you more time to yell at the sky yourself. Edit: scree! Scree! The hairstyle calls to the infinities above. Arivia fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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RBC posted:police get really uppity about parades, they fuckin love them, the cops policing the santa clause parade are loving psychopaths, not letting them march in a parade is like one of the worst things you can do to a cop lol  Really happy they won't be able to participate in uniforms. The next step is taking out all their floats and military recruitment posts imo.
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Aren't their floats already banned? If we really just want to ban every organization that has hurt the gay community, we really ought to ban the conservative party, the gay conservative group, and any other political float and the Canada blood bank too.
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Who would win in an old man yells at cloud-off between Rex and Craig “the Vulture” Oliver??
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zapplez posted:Aren't their floats already banned? Yeah sounds like a good start. The BC Libs got outright booed at the pride parade I was last at, and rightfully so as they have a bunch of "social conservative" bible thumper types as members despite trying to mostly focus on secular real estate crime.
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zapplez posted:Aren't their floats already banned? Looks like it could be the case. I didn't realize banning uniformed officers also referred generally to the toronto police floats. Nice. I haven't gone to the parade/pride in a few years because I'm never in a good mood for it but that makes me happy.
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zapplez posted:If we really just want to ban every organization that has hurt the gay community, we really ought to ban the conservative party, the gay conservative group, and any other political float and the Canada blood bank too. 
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Jan 23, 2019 17:37
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It says something when Patrick Brown is the second most reprehensible person in that picture.
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But if they ban the conservatives then the premier won't have to come up with lame excuses for why he is skipping it.
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PT6A posted:Zapplez, are you LGBT-identified? If not, your opinions and the opinions of everyone else who is not LGBT about who should and shouldn't be allowed to march in the Pride parade are completely irrelevant, so you can take a well-earned break from sharing them with the rest of us! This is, at most, an issue for the LGBT community to debate amongst themselves, not some kind of situation where everyone gets a say. A gentle reminder that demanding that people out themselves or itemize their personal sexual identity before they're allowed to enter a discussion on a public event is not a good look.
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah sounds like a good start. The BC Libs got outright booed at the pride parade I was last at, and rightfully so as they have a bunch of "social conservative" bible thumper types as members despite trying to mostly focus on secular real estate crime. As a queer person in Alberta, I fully support this idea too.
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PT6A posted:Zapplez, are you LGBT-identified? If not, your opinions and the opinions of everyone else who is not LGBT about who should and shouldn't be allowed to march in the Pride parade are completely irrelevant, so you can take a well-earned break from sharing them with the rest of us! This is, at most, an issue for the LGBT community to debate amongst themselves, not some kind of situation where everyone gets a say. I don't agree. Our opinions might not be relevant, and shouldn't decide the outcome, but saying we can't debate and discuss it seems misguided. Maybe that's not what you were implying.
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Tsyni posted:I don't agree. Our opinions might not be relevant, and shouldn't decide the outcome, but saying we can't debate and discuss it seems misguided. Maybe that's not what you were implying. To what end should we discuss it? We don't have or need a voice in the decision. Discuss it all you like, but don't tell or suggest to the organizers and the LGBTQ community at large what they should or shouldn't do in their own space.
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That view is about as sophisticated as "only pedophiles are allowed to have opinions about Catholic priests".
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Arivia posted:It says something when Patrick Brown is the second most reprehensible person in that picture. Who's first, Leitch or MacLeod?
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James Baud posted:That view is about as sophisticated as "only pedophiles are allowed to have opinions about Catholic priests".
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Who's first, Leitch or MacLeod? The woman between Leitch and Brown. She leaves her cart in the middle of the parking lot after she loads her groceries, and unironically ends every text conversation with "namaste"
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Jan 23, 2019 20:56
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PT6A posted:To what end should we discuss it? We don't have or need a voice in the decision. Discuss it all you like, but don't tell or suggest to the organizers and the LGBTQ community at large what they should or shouldn't do in their own space. As a white guy I shouldn't say racism is bad and should be fought against, because what do I know about it?
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Tankies, assemble! https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1088148061963067392 I can't wait to hear about what a good and cool dude Maduro is from the lovely leftists in this thread, I'm getting bored with the usual tankie jackasses that infest USPol.
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Powershift posted:The woman between Leitch and Brown. And then the store has to hire a guy to go round them all up. She's a job creator.
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PT6A posted:To what end should we discuss it? We don't have or need a voice in the decision. Discuss it all you like, but don't tell or suggest to the organizers and the LGBTQ community at large what they should or shouldn't do in their own space. To come to understanding? For the fun of it. I dunno, should we not discuss anything that we don't have a direct connection to? Who are you to say we can't discuss it? Are you king of the LGBTQ? Come on, it's a ridiculous position. No one thinks a bunch of straight white nerds should decide what happens at a pride parade, but getting indignant because we're talking about it seems like a giant stretch. This is a place where we debate and discuss, and anyone not into that shouldn't have a voice here, sorry.
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zapplez posted:As a white guy I shouldn't say racism is bad and should be fought against, because what do I know about it? You're allowed to say racism is bad, you don't get to dictate to people of colour what their specific concerns about it should be, and you should listen to their voices as to how to address it instead of telling them what you think they should do.
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The police are not allies to queer people. There might be individuals within the force who want to do the right thing, but they're working within an organization that disproportionately targets our most vulnerable folks. Maybe I'd feel alright about cops in the parade in some hypothetical future where they had totally reformed themselves and worked hard to make amends for all historical grievances, but that seems extremely unlikely.
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If your mistreatment of a group was so foul that they're ceremonially re-enacting the riot against it some 40 years after the fact, "hey let's join them to cheers and applause" is not a plan that should cross any rational person's mind.
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flakeloaf posted:If your mistreatment of a group was so foul that they're ceremonially re-enacting the riot against it some 40 years after the fact, "hey let's join them to cheers and applause" is not a plan that should cross any rational person's mind. "Why doesn't the Holocaust march want us Neo-Nazis to march with them in uniform?" 
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Tsyni posted:To come to understanding? For the fun of it. I dunno, should we not discuss anything that we don't have a direct connection to? Who are you to say we can't discuss it? Are you king of the LGBTQ? Come on, it's a ridiculous position. No one thinks a bunch of straight white nerds should decide what happens at a pride parade, but getting indignant because we're talking about it seems like a giant stretch. There's a strain of contemporary liberalism that combines a very reductive take on identity politics with a fetish for "expert" opinions to create a philosophy that's remarkably inimical to any kind of debate or even democratic thinking. PT6A's version of it is as crude as his brain is but you can see the same general attitude being expressed by cleverer people as well.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:And then the store has to hire a guy to go round them all up. She's a job creator. nah, theyll just force some stockboy to do it as "other duties"
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Ardent Communist posted:"Why doesn't the Holocaust march want us Neo-Nazis to march with them in uniform?" Godwins law in action as usual. Yes, the TPS are literal nazis in 2019.
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The Dark One posted:The police are not allies to queer people. There might be individuals within the force who want to do the right thing, but they're working within an organization that disproportionately targets our most vulnerable folks. If we don't let gay cops in the parade, we most definitely shouldn't let any gay or straight politicians in it either. The solution to a fractured relationship between the police and the LGBT community isn't more isolation. I'd rather have more gay people have positive exposure to more cops so they feel comfortable approaching them when they need help, especially considering the amount of hate crimes, assaults, sexual assaults, etc that the community can be vulnerable to. Not to mention the positive influence the straight but supportive cops that volunteered to march in the parade, they used to have so much more exposure to the gay community and come away from the event even more understanding of gay people. But nah, lets keep em all away.
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What part of "the onus is not on the LGBTQ community to make amends" do you have trouble understanding? Like, conceptually, what are you having trouble with here? The reason people in the community are uncomfortable dealing with the police is because of the abuse and negative interactions they have had and continue to have with the police. They are not the ones in a position to change that. Letting the police march in uniform in the parade doesn't change that. What changes that is the police, as an organization, no longer being antagonistic towards LGBTQ people. Perhaps, when they can manage that, they'll be invited to march in uniform again. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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zapplez posted:If we don't let gay cops in the parade, we most definitely shouldn't let any gay or straight politicians in it either. The reason that some queer people don't go to the cops is because of a rational and justified fear that the cops don't give a gently caress and won't help them. You're writing as though the only reason a Queer person would distrust the police is because of some irrational fear that they would benefit from overcoming. Your mindset - and the fact you probably don't even realize that this was your underlying assumption - is why people are reacting with such hostility to your argument. You make it sound like queer people who don't like the cops are just mentally defective somehow and would benefit from having their delusional beliefs challenged through the equivalent of exposure therapy.
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PT6A posted:Tankies, assemble! I have a good feeling about this coup. This is the foreign backed coup that'll work out this time, I'm sure. how many articles has CBC put out fawning over Bolsonaro? I've seen at least 2
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A Typical Goon posted:I have a good feeling about this coup. This is the foreign backed coup that'll work out this time, I'm sure. Don't worry, PT6A is a Venezuelan and therefore fully entitled to his opinion.
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I have a couple friends from Venezuela who basically think the word socialist is as bad as nazi based on what's happened there. They're cool, and generally in agreement, with my political beliefs as long as we don't call it socialism.
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Ardent Communist posted:"Why doesn't the Holocaust march want us Neo-Nazis to march with them in uniform?" Except in this stupid example, the sky over the 2019 parade is darkened by the ashes from the very-much-still-running furnaces.
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Jordan7hm posted:They're cool, and generally in agreement, with my political beliefs as long as we don't call it socialism. The unfortunate reality is that most self proclaimed socialist governments have also tended to come with mass repression, famine and sometimes genocide social democrat is probably the correct and palpable word to use
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zapplez posted:if you must know before I am allowed to have an opinion. I apologize, in that case. Not only do you get to have an opinion, but it's in fact far more relevant than my own on the subject, which I've not actually stated here for a very particular reason. I think it's a discussion that needs to be had, but not one that needs straight cis voices in it. Further, I apologize for simply assuming you did not identify as a member of the LGBTQ community, and it was not appropriate for me to ask in the way I did. PT6A fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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Helsing posted:You make it sound like queer people who don't like the cops are just mentally defective somehow and would benefit from having their delusional beliefs challenged through the equivalent of exposure therapy. Thats not how I meant things at all, but I get that my point of view (and probably my lifestyle experiences, where I've been surrounded by gay cops/gay paramedics as friends for years and years, I haven't been a victim of violent crime as an adult, I never had a sexual assault that wasn't taken seriously,etc) would make me bias to want a quicker resolution towards co-operation instead of isolation. I can tell I'm the only one that see its this way on CanPol so as I've already stated my view. PT6A posted:Further, I apologize for simply assuming you did not identify as a member of the LGBTQ community, and it was not appropriate for me to ask in the way I did.
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