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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Inacio posted:

Youtube has been recommending me a billion short takeoff/landing videos now and I came across this one again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP-9mWqFh3c

I seriously love that big ramp it has to climb before the strip.

Incredible.

It’s like something out of a videogame.

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e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Inacio posted:

Youtube has been recommending me a billion short takeoff/landing videos now and I came across this one again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP-9mWqFh3c

I seriously love that big ramp it has to climb before the strip.

God I miss flying those. :saddowns:


Never got to do anything that cool in them though.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Platystemon posted:

Every propeller plane sounds like it’s falling apart, to the unrefined palate.

Every propeller plane is falling apart, it's how quickly it's doing so that matters.

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

I have a flight booked in a PC12 next week and I'm excited.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Good news: planes age like wine.

Bad news: old wine is mostly vinegar.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Platystemon posted:

Incredible.

It’s like something out of a videogame.

You think he polishes the bugs off that chrome spinner himself, or has people that do that for him?

a patagonian cavy
Jan 12, 2009

UUA CVG 230000 KZID /RM TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE BENGALS DYNASTY

Platystemon posted:

Good news: planes age like wine.

Bad news: old wine is mostly vinegar.

as a person who flies 152s regularly, you are absolutely correct

ReelBigLizard
Feb 27, 2003

Fallen Rib

monkeytennis posted:

His WhatsApp messages were played on the news and he was saying stuff like “I’m on a plane that sounds like it’s falling apart”. I know he’s not an expert but obvs the media are all excited about it.

Yeah it's pretty horrible. The latest drama is that some prick in Brighton (200+km away) posted some pictures of some contrails and posted it to instagram asking if they were flares and now the collected members of every team Sala ever kicked a ball for are harassing the local emergency services and coming up with fantastic theories about where he might be.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

PT6A posted:

Every propeller plane is falling apart, it's how quickly it's doing so that matters.

You should see some of these older CRJs

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

e.pilot posted:

You should see some of these older CRJs

lol this is true, ever fly on a BAC-111 after 2012?

e: they are built like tanks though

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Plinkey posted:

lol this is true, ever fly on a BAC-111 after 2012?

e: they are built like tanks though

No, who was still flying them in 2012 :stare:

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

e.pilot posted:

No, who was still flying them in 2012 :stare:

2019
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=164W

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

yeah, that's the old girl I flew on a few times a week.

I dont think they fly it anymore though.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Ardeem posted:

You're all forgetting the ugliest sister.


I'd give up what hearing the E-3 left me to crosstrain to the Connie.

marumaru
May 20, 2013





A private jet just made a straight flight from Russia to Venezuela. This would be off topic if it wasn't rad. Biz jets sure have range.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Don't want to veer too far off into polichat, but this isn't exactly good news
https://www.afacwa.org/air_traffic_controllers_pilots_flight_attendants_detail_serious_safety_concerns_due_to_shutdown

quote:

In our risk averse industry, we cannot even calculate the level of risk currently at play, nor predict the point at which the entire system will break. It is unprecedented

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I swear to god if y'all's lovely malfunctioning government screws up my flight from Canada to Mexico in March, I will lose it :v:

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Inacio posted:



A private jet just made a straight flight from Russia to Venezuela. This would be off topic if it wasn't rad. Biz jets sure have range.

That’s interesting given today’s coup.

ausgezeichnet
Sep 18, 2005

In my country this is definitely not offensive!
Nap Ghost

Inacio posted:

A private jet just made a straight flight from Russia to Venezuela. This would be off topic if it wasn't rad. Biz jets sure have range.

I once flew Moscow to St Maarten in a BBJ, but we stopped in the Azores for fuel. Didn't like the idea of showing up to an island after flying over 2000 miles of open ocean with 45 minutes of total fuel remaining. The 550 is a beast.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


sandoz posted:

computer, can I get a longer connie

no, looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-1Ue0FFrHY

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye


They made a mention of being union leaders; can they just strike at this point?

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Nebakenezzer posted:

They made a mention of being union leaders; can they just strike at this point?

Then Trump would get to have yet another Reagan moment (in addition to the sundowning) and fire them all.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Jealous Cow posted:

Then Trump would get to have yet another Reagan moment (in addition to the sundowning) and fire them all.

Considering their beef is not being paid, I can't imagine even TUMP is that dumb

Also I'm imagining all the unions mentioned in the statement going on strike at the same time

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Nebakenezzer posted:

Considering their beef is not being paid, I can't imagine even TUMP is that dumb

Also I'm imagining all the unions mentioned in the statement going on strike at the same time

Looks like things might come to an abrupt end thanks to ATC: https://reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/aj6u1d/got_an_email_about_opms_guidance_on_leave_during/

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


I have a vision of the future

quote:

Hartsfield traffic, Delta one two three right downwind runway niner right

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye


Am I reading this right? ATC can take leave whenever they are not being paid (like a shutdown), subject to a supvisor's approval?

I remember the last shutdown congress was going home for the summer break, and one of the last things they did was get air-related services exempt from shutdown so they wouldn't have trouble flying home

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

hobbesmaster posted:

I have a vision of the future

You didn’t end you call with the field name you barbarism.

“Aircraft on ctaf what field are you talking about?”

Or

“URRRRR ONNNN GAAAAAAAARRRRRRRDDD!!!!!!!”

pick your poison.



Nebakenezzer posted:

Am I reading this right? ATC can take leave whenever they are not being paid (like a shutdown), subject to a supvisor's approval?

I remember the last shutdown congress was going home for the summer break, and one of the last things they did was get air-related services exempt from shutdown so they wouldn't have trouble flying home

Yes, and since they aren’t getting paid the leave has no value, so they won’t be charged for leave they use during the shutdown. It seems like a loophole to let essential, non-furloughed employees just stay home with no loss of pay or consequences. Aka the shutdown buster.

Jealous Cow fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jan 24, 2019

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Noooooooo, this means I need more time before you let me solo? :(










...anyways alternative joke is have the airlines handle their hubs and divert the other airlines. ORD can be full on electronic warfare.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

hobbesmaster posted:

I have a vision of the future

Everyone gets to re-learn to fly procedure turns on a regular basis!

EDIT: I suppose the proliferation of RNAV approaches lessens this possibility a bit.

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005
"Burbank traffic, Southwest 1234 is 9 miles south, FL330, descending straight in runway 33..... LEEROY JENKINS!"

azflyboy fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jan 24, 2019

cyberbug
Sep 30, 2004

The name is Carl Seltz...
insurance inspector.
I was going out for a lunch today here in Helsinki and noticed a fast plane flying a big S over the city. A bit later I saw three contrails in the southern sky, with two of the planes very close to each other. Turns out it was a Finnish Air Force F-18 going to say hi to a pair of SU-27:s.
https://twitter.com/FinnishAirForce/status/1088413636580835328
This is not exactly rare thing over the Gulf of Finland but first time I could watch it live right in front of the city.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Sagebrush posted:

I think the Apache's weird asymmetrical tail rotor is also a noise-reducing feature.

Kinda hard to find a good picture of it but



They're non-planar, too: one pair of blades is mounted like a foot in front of the other pair. Something about not chopping the same wake twice



It looks like a fenestron tail rotor designed for low noise has a similarly asymmetrical layout. It's just ducted:

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/justinsink/status/1088812502215987201?s=19


Can't find news anywhere else so uh grain of salt and all.

E: flightview showing a ground stop at LGA.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Plinkey posted:

https://twitter.com/justinsink/status/1088812502215987201?s=19


Can't find news anywhere else so uh grain of salt and all.

E: flightview showing a ground stop at LGA.

I'd wait for something official, knowing NYC it could also be because someone saw a cloud.

News article I could find: https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...impression=true

Those delays are going to get much worse over the day even if the airport is nominally open.

edit: here we go: https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1088821088476450818
well, except not https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KDCA

hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jan 25, 2019

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Plinkey posted:

https://twitter.com/justinsink/status/1088812502215987201?s=19


Can't find news anywhere else so uh grain of salt and all.

E: flightview showing a ground stop at LGA.

Yeah, ground stops at LGA are nothing out of the ordinary. People will blame it on the shutdown, but any other day it could be weather or too many airplanes or Bob called in sick.

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

Finger Prince posted:

Yeah, ground stops at LGA are nothing out of the ordinary. People will blame it on the shutdown, but any other day it could be weather or too many airplanes or Bob called in sick.

I get what you mean about the low hanging fruit explanation combined with the mass hysteria tendency over the scandal du jour, but in this case "staffing" was in the official reason box of the ground stop program on the OIS website.

Plus, there was also "staffing" for programs through ZDC and one other place, that they were metering and rerouting outbounds for, which blocked gates for inbounds, creating gridlock. It took us an hour and a half to get to a gate after landing (just before the ground stop.)

Then when we departed, the (inbound) ground stop had been in effect for a while, and the airport was nearly a ghosttown. It was downright eerie seeing LGA like that.

vessbot fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 25, 2019

bobfather
Sep 20, 2001

I will analyze your nervous system for beer money

Finger Prince posted:

Yeah, ground stops at LGA are nothing out of the ordinary. People will blame it on the shutdown, but any other day it could be weather or too many airplanes or Bob called in sick.

Bob, Tom, Joe, Sal, Liz, Amy, and Ed the flight controller all called in "sick" because they aren’t being paid.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

One union leader sees total air traffic shutdown happening soon, and wants a general strike

Which frankly seems reasonable at this point, and...has America ever had a general strike?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Nebakenezzer posted:

One union leader sees total air traffic shutdown happening soon, and wants a general strike

Which frankly seems reasonable at this point, and...has America ever had a general strike?

Nationally? No, but entire industries in cities have striked before throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_strike#Notable_general_strikes

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Non-political: apologies if my posting gets a little, ah, Gander Gander GANDER :shepface:

right now, I handle historical archives that are mostly about the place. Anyway, found something cool:



This ugly SOB is a Hadley-Page Harrow. Two were at "Newfoundland Airport" (Gander was not officially called Gander until 1958) for a fairly incredible reason: they were the first air tankers. Civilian operated, they could refuel on the wing Short Empire flying boats. The aircraft actually did have the range to cross the Atlantic, but you could swing more payload if you took off, then fueled up. Apparently they only did this with cargo, not passenger flights. The deal Pan Am/BOAC had struck was Pan Am would handle passengers, while BOAC would handle freight/mail. The guy in the suit is standing in front of the hose spindle. The hose was retrieved "via boathook" apparently





longer post for the curious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOlgtozYPh8

Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jan 25, 2019

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