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As a bonus we're getting two regressive criminal justice ballot measures in 2020. One to try and preserve the cash bail system and another that would reclassify a bunch of stuff as felonies and force parole boards to consider things like age and whether or not an inmate has "marketable skills" before releasing them. Poor young black man who had to drop out of high school to get a job? Nah you'd better stay inside, you're too risky to let out.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:whether or not an inmate has "marketable skills" before releasing them. Poor young black man who had to drop out of high school to get a job? Nah you'd better stay inside, you're too risky to let out. ooh harris is gonna be real mad at that
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FMguru posted:Could it be?!?! gently caress YEAH
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Wicked Them Beats posted:completely exempts any business with less than 50 employees from any property taxes What would keep real estate owners from making prop companies with short employee rosters to own all their real estate?
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dont be mean to me posted:What would keep real estate owners from making prop companies with short employee rosters to own all their real estate? I found the relevant text: quote:(a) (1) For each taxpayer paying the tax on tangible personal property used for business purposes, either of the following shall apply: I would guess the operative phrase there would be "and used for business purposes." So you'd have to certify under penalty of perjury that that vacant industrial lot you're holding at the opposite end of the state is somehow relevant to what your 49 full timers are doing and it would be subject to audit. I'm sure people will try regardless but if this is a big enough moneymaker expect the state to fund enforcement. But I'm not a lawyer so who knows. Just chalk this up as another reminder that the voters should not be directly crafting tax law.
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cheese posted:First read: Big UTLA win. His position is pretty weak now, and the pro-charter contingent of the Board that voted him in should know it. The strike was as much a vote of no confidence against him as it was for the terms hashed out. Big win for Mayor Garcetti since he comes off as looking like he successfully got the two groups to come together after many impasses. I'd be interested to see how the gains are phased in for the new contract. I've heard disappointment the psychologists and counselors, as well as SPED, were largely not gaining from the agreement.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:As a bonus we're getting two regressive criminal justice ballot measures in 2020. One to try and preserve the cash bail system and another that would reclassify a bunch of stuff as felonies and force parole boards to consider things like age and whether or not an inmate has "marketable skills" before releasing them. Poor young black man who had to drop out of high school to get a job? Nah you'd better stay inside, you're too risky to let out. I don't know anything about the bail ballot measure but one of the big lols from when they got rid of cash bail was the decision to replace bail with giving judges the power to remand anyone to jail until their trial, with absolutely no oversight.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Everyone I talked to thought it would make the housing situation worse because it enables renters under it to be FYGM-minded and block housing development and somebody might benefit from it who “doesn’t really need it”. I think rent control and public housing is where single payer health care was in the 2000's where people believe a lot of misconception and out right lies that have come out of some think tank which work class white people internalized. Something for along the lines of the ACA for housing will come along eventually because something has to be done.
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the aca for housing is the bold proposal of tax credits for people who spend more than x% of their income on rent that harris is putting as one of her top planks
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Shear Modulus posted:ooh harris is gonna be real mad at that https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-trump-obama-california-attorney-general
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https://twitter.com/1KatieOrr/status/1088497639367135232 so i guess this guy jumped ship to the dems after winning reelection by a rat's rear end hair in his suburban san diego district last november
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they finally got a moderate republican!!!!!!!!!!!
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I haven't read the details but this prop 13 revision sounds 100% pointless and ineffective. The big problem with prop 13 on commercial property is that companies lease property instead of buying it. The property owner can hold it for decades, leasing it to a succession of businesses. 99-year leases are common. If the property owner's business is holding & leasing property, they can easily have fewer than 50 employees, permanently, even on very large properties like entire skyscrapers. How does exempting "small businesses" on the basis of number of employees fix that, at all?
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Leperflesh posted:I haven't read the details but this prop 13 revision sounds 100% pointless and ineffective. That was exactly my concern and thank you (but also dang) for confirming that my concern is valid.
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(centristly). we cant have a policy that does anything to address the problem, we need something that will actually pass!
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Maienschein switching parties seems... kinda big. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.
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it was p lol that the dems picked up the 76th (oceanside down to solana beach) by default because like a gazillion republicans ran there and the two dem candidates were the ones who could make it past the june primary
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Leperflesh posted:I haven't read the details but this prop 13 revision sounds 100% pointless and ineffective. quote:(b) (1) Real property owned by a taxpayer that operates a business or businesses on that real
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Tarezax posted:Maienschein switching parties seems... kinda big. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship. Yeah, the San Diego exurbs are the natural habitat of unenthusiastic Republicans. It's where the military-industrial workers, middle management, second amendment obsessives, and poor military men live.
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Infinite Karma posted:This isn't what the language you're reading means. The exemption for businesses with less than 50 employees is on tangible personal property (like photocopiers and forklifts), not on real property. Real estate is a different section. Ahhh, OK that's a huge improvement then. And definitely the big killer. Expect every larger business in the state to pour money into a campaign to defeat this.
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the "property owner must own less than $x" sounds real loopholey since the tax-evading commercial property in california already has the ownership stake chopped into multiple pieces and owned by shell companies to evade the "transfer of 50% of ownership results in reassessment" rule
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Shear Modulus posted:the "property owner must own less than $x" sounds real loopholey since the tax-evading commercial property in california already has the ownership stake chopped into multiple pieces and owned by shell companies to evade the "transfer of 50% of ownership results in reassessment" rule
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San Diego is probably the most rightwing metropolitan area in the state. If the Republicans are losing grassroots-level offices like Assemblymen and city councilors and civic judges here then they're in real goddamned trouble.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:San Diego is probably the most rightwing metropolitan area in the state. If the Republicans are losing grassroots-level offices like Assemblymen and city councilors and civic judges here then they're in real goddamned trouble. Agreed with this. I mean, Bakersfield is pretty conservative but it's also tiny. The most racist people I have ever met live in San Diego.
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I was watching Brooklyn 99 recently and one of the characters said they moved to San Diego to mess with another character, and then said basically, "Psyche! You really think I'd move to San Diego? That place sucks!" and I immediately burst out in gleeful agreement.
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Jaxyon posted:Agreed with this. I mean, Bakersfield is pretty conservative but it's also tiny.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:San Diego is probably the most rightwing metropolitan area in the state. If the Republicans are losing grassroots-level offices like Assemblymen and city councilors and civic judges here then they're in real goddamned trouble. So you've just never been to Orange County or...?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Yeah, the San Diego exurbs are the natural habitat of unenthusiastic Republicans. It's where the military-industrial workers, middle management, second amendment obsessives, and poor military men live. looking it up isn't AD77 like, the rich suburbs like carmel valley and poway duncan hunter country is like, everything north and east of it, consulting a map
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:looking it up isn't AD77 like, the rich suburbs like carmel valley and poway Yeah I grew up in Maienschein's district, in the Rancho Bernardo area. My peers there ran the gamut from extremely leftist to arch-conservative but by and large we were pretty bougie. Edit: These suburbs are still majority white but there's a pretty hefty amount of middle-class minorities in the area. All kinds of Asian, Iranian, Hispanic, etc. Tarezax fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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ah okay (huh, i had a few undergrad classmates from rancho bernardo) klantee it ain't, sounds like
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:looking it up isn't AD77 like, the rich suburbs like carmel valley and poway 77 is everything inland of I-5 from Clairemont Mesa to the Ranchos, including the Marine Corps airbase at Miramar. In non-Trump times it would be prime Leans Republican territory. It ain't Klantee but it isn't Blue Dog territory either. At least it didn't used to be. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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yeah it's weird times like five years ago could anyone have foreseen that issa's district would flip, or that AD76 would flip once the dems actually ran candidates there? hell, scott peters even looked vulnerable in 2014 iirc and his district runs from coronado up to a lot of AD77
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:yeah it's weird times Trump couldn't even manage to get more than a plurality of voters in Coronado (except for North Island) and a few precincts there went solid blue. That's loving Coronado, a population of rentiers, touristfuckers, and squids (retired and active duty). Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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Glass of Milk posted:So you've just never been to Orange County or...? OC's gonna be blue inside of a couple of years. Arguably it is now. There's parts of the greater SD area that are probably sundown towns.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Trump couldn't even manage to get more than a plurality of voters in Coronado (except for North Island) and a few precincts there went solid blue. im shocked there's people who actually live in coronado, having only been to like, the hotel and also that a few precincts there actually went blue
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Leperflesh posted:I haven't read the details but this prop 13 revision sounds 100% pointless and ineffective. That's going to be expensive for my employer. We have well over 10,000 employees and a few billion worth of property and buildings down by Oyster Point in SSF. So there's a nice chunk of change for firefighters and libraries (things my small Northern California town lost when those assholes passed Prop 13 back in the day).
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mllaneza posted:That's going to be expensive for my employer. We have well over 10,000 employees and a few billion worth of property and buildings down by Oyster Point in SSF. So there's a nice chunk of change for firefighters and libraries (things my small Northern California town lost when those assholes passed Prop 13 back in the day). don't worry, your town won't need to fund things just like restoring rent control this is going to have a tsunami of landlord money to ensure it doesn't pass and unlike with normal elections a stupendous amount of money seems to win referendums every time
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Glass of Milk posted:So you've just never been to Orange County or...? The Orange Curtain is the 133 now,
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