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PT6A posted:Hey, just a thought, what if the US intervention in Venezuela was less like Iraq and more like the Marshall Plan? Like, political pressure until Maduro fucks straight off, and then massive unconditional foreign aid until it resembles a functioning society again? lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I don't think it's likely that will happen, but it is a plausible way in which US intervention could be a very positive thing and it is based on a thing that happened in the past successfully, and maybe Americans who hate Maduro but also hate the idea of typical American meddling could, I dunno, recommend this mode of intervention instead, in place of saying "nah let's just leave Maduro to do his thing and beggar the nation."
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1088829238164246528 Yeah it sure does own that that random dude lied about the situation. Unless your claim is the last legislature election was staged entirely by the US?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Ilhan Omar is making some pretty disappointing tweets on the subject. She’s also retweeting Russia Today pundits. This is disgusting innuendo. Abby Martin was fired from RT for opposing Russian intervention in Syria and is generally a solid journalist
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fishmech posted:Yeah it sure does own that that random dude lied about the situation. Unless your claim is the last legislature election was staged entirely by the US? Shut up fishmech (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ilhan Omar basically got elected as a seat warmer and has all of the intellectual capacity of your average tree frog. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Chomskyan posted:Shut up fishmech You never got around to explaining why the opposition "can't win" an election. I genuinely wonder why you think that is. I feel like in the context of free and fair elections, I might vote for a party that was, say, willing to allow in foreign food aid. Because of the famine, you see.
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PT6A posted:Hey, just a thought, what if the US intervention in Venezuela was less like Iraq and more like the Marshall Plan? Like, political pressure until Maduro fucks straight off, and then massive unconditional foreign aid until it resembles a functioning society again? I honestly feel like there might be some merit to the idea of propping Maduro up and bribing his regime so that foreign aid can come into the country. Yes, he’s a corrupt idiot, but the country may get far worse before it gets better without him. Something like Ostpolitik.
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Yossarian-22 posted:This is disgusting innuendo. Abby Martin was fired from RT for opposing Russian intervention in Syria and is generally a solid journalist She called 9/11 an inside job.
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Chomskyan posted:Shut up fishmech I guess it is a bit much to expect you to drop your gimmick of blindly supporting ex-socialist states that have since completely turned their back on socialism. If you want to post the rankest bullshit possible about Venezuela without pushback, you're free to go back to Reddit. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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he'd take the aid and sell it off beforeditching the country. Also too prideful to admit there are major issues.
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fishmech posted:I guess it is a bit much to expect you to drop your gimmick of blindly supporting ex-socialist states that have since completely turned their back on socialism. If you want to post the rankest bullshit possible about Venezuela without pushback, you're free to go back to Reddit. Just shut up
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PT6A posted:I don't think it's likely that will happen, but it is a plausible way in which US intervention could be a very positive thing and it is based on a thing that happened in the past successfully, and maybe Americans who hate Maduro but also hate the idea of typical American meddling could, I dunno, recommend this mode of intervention instead, in place of saying "nah let's just leave Maduro to do his thing and beggar the nation." On a very basic level you have a completely wrong view of how the people who run the State Department and dance between NGOs and think tanks view the rest of the world and the US’ role in it. It’s not just unlikely, it’s impossible without unprecedented and radical political shifts in US politics. Like riots in the streets and a second republic level shifts.
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fishmech posted:I guess it is a bit much to expect you to drop your gimmick of blindly supporting ex-socialist states that have since completely turned their back on socialism. If you want to post the rankest bullshit possible about Venezuela without pushback, you're free to go back to Reddit. no one cares you dumbass human speak and spell
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https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1088852278935805959 Fraternal assistance has arrived. Putin has the money to pay them though so they'll be more reliable bodyguards than anyone Maduro had previously.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:She called 9/11 an inside job. Right, before she became a journalist. Whereas many of your beloved journalists shilled for the Iraq War and actively promoted it while they were journalists (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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AGGGGH BEES posted:intellectual capacity of your average tree frog. Turn on ur monitor (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ChaseSP posted:he'd take the aid and sell it off beforeditching the country. Also too prideful to admit there are major issues. Yeah but if he hosed off somewhere else, then at least he’s gone
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PT6A posted:Hey, just a thought, what if the US intervention in Venezuela was less like Iraq and more like the Marshall Plan? Like, political pressure until Maduro fucks straight off, and then massive unconditional foreign aid until it resembles a functioning society again? What if the US discards its past 2 centuries of bloodthirsty interventions in latin america and opens the checkbook like it did for its imperialist cronies in western europe? What if??? U.S. Fears Iraqis Will Not Keep Up Rebuilt Projects The liberal media put Iraq's reconstruction on par with the Marshall Plan: quote:BAGHDAD — In its largest reconstruction effort since the Marshall Plan, the United States government has spent $53 billion for relief and reconstruction in Iraq since the 2003 invasion, building tens of thousands of hospitals, water treatment plants, electricity substations, schools and bridges. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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THS posted:no one cares you dumbass human speak and spell It is definitely true that none of you in the Maduro Defense Squad care about truth or leftism, yes. ChaseSP posted:he'd take the aid and sell it off beforeditching the country. Also too prideful to admit there are major issues. To be quite honest, the typical pattern for this would be that the aid would be immediately reshipped elsewhere first. Gestures of aid to other countries because Venezuela is doing so great are part of his shtick.
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US-funded right-wing guerillas against Russian mercenaries? Is this another Russian Vietnam? God please no
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like i just cannot imagine trump actually has an active hand in all this as he's been spending the entire afternoon tweeting about how he has not been owned over the wall, but actually
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fishmech posted:It is definitely true that none of you in the Maduro Defense Squad care about truth or leftism, yes. You know if you weren’t a humorless pedant people might poo poo on you less. They don’t hate you because you’re right.
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Negrostrike posted:US-funded right-wing guerillas against Russian mercenaries? Is this another Russian Vietnam? Russian Vietnam War? Well it's gonna be pretty awful, but on the upside, the movies the Russians will make about it in 20 years will be incredible.
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 in an effort to get us out of the weeds any post not specifically about Venezuela is going to get probated. you can, for example:post about the US involvement in venezuela; historical, present, future post about russian/china involvement in venezuela; historical, present, future post about your personal history as a venezuelan citizen post about us efforts in the region, historically, as they would affect venezuela post about UN poo poo regarding venezuela you cannot: post about other posters post about anything other than venezuela
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So what are the politics of the guy claiming to be interim president? Is he a conservative? Liberal? Does he want to privatize everything? I only ask because the US media coverage of this sucks and hasn’t said anything on the matter which makes me wonder if he’s the kind of right-wing corporate psychopath we’re fond of backing in these situations.
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Negrostrike posted:We, Latin Americans, just can never have nice things, can we? We can... in Europe Unfortunately I don't think many Venezuelans are able to gently caress off even to a neighbouring country, much less a first world one overseas
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ChaseSP posted:he'd take the aid and sell it off beforeditching the country. Also too prideful to admit there are major issues. Hmm sounds like hes a bad leader? Maybe they should get rid of him.
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readingatwork posted:So what are the politics of the guy claiming to be interim president? Is he a conservative? Liberal? Does he want to privatize everything? I only ask because the US media coverage of this sucks and hasn’t said anything on the matter which makes me wonder if he’s the kind of right-wing corporate psychopath we’re fond of backing in these situations. He's a founding member of Voluntad Popular, which is center left by Venezuelan standards and would probably be considered roughly Bernie Sanders level in the US from what I understand.
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I did a thing. Join me if you want to. If enough of us join in, maybe we can change all the yelling at each other into something that helps the lives of Venezuelans.
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Epicurius posted:I did a thing. I, Majorian, and one other dude did so as well. Let's try and make this a silverlining of the thread. And drat, $50? I look like a cheap piece of poo poo in comparison.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:He's a founding member of Voluntad Popular, which is center left by Venezuelan standards and would probably be considered roughly Bernie Sanders level in the US from what I understand. Acebuckeye, has there been a breakdown of the parties in the Actual Real Legislature at any point in the thread? I don't recall one, and I'd been lurking for awhile this kicked off. That sort of contextualizing information might help rebuff at least the "American puppet is fascist" part of this...we'll call it an argument for lack of a better term. vvv and, regrettably, because otherwise I think we outsiders are going to do it for you.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:He's a founding member of Voluntad Popular, which is center left by Venezuelan standards and would probably be considered roughly Bernie Sanders level in the US from what I understand. The party platform reads more like something you'd expect from a liberal democrat. quote:He added that Popular Will does “not share the vision of a hegemonic state that controls everything and decides everything”; rather, government’s role is to promote the development of human capabilities, to help people flourish as free citizens, to cultivate “social solidarity,” and to foster “respect for the constitution.” quote:López has further spoken of creating a Venezuela “where liberty is exercised in a constructive and responsible manner,...and where opportunities are created for all Venezuelans, regardless of wealth, religion, age, race, sexual orientation, gender identity, or political persuasion.” So the duty of the government according to Lopez is basically to develop human capital and "create opportunities."
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punk rebel ecks posted:I, Majorian, and one other dude did so as well. Let's try and make this a silverlining of the thread. Hey, everybody gives what they can and helps how they can. $2 or $2000, either can make a difference.
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readingatwork posted:So what are the politics of the guy claiming to be interim president? Is he a conservative? Liberal? Does he want to privatize everything? I only ask because the US media coverage of this sucks and hasn’t said anything on the matter which makes me wonder if he’s the kind of right-wing corporate psychopath we’re fond of backing in these situations. He's not well know in the US press because until recently he has been overshadowed by other opposition leaders like Leopold Lopez. Most of those people have been imprisoned or banned from politics in the last couple years so power has kind of fallen onto Guiado by default. I saw there were a few profiles of him published which you can probably find searching on google news but I haven't read them yet.
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Negrostrike posted:US-funded right-wing guerillas against Russian mercenaries? Is this another Russian Vietnam? Which right-wing guerrillas is the US funding?
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