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HEY GUNS posted:Yesterday In History With Leo Tolstoy It's like a 19th century rap, pure art.
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Isn't the (coed) IDF fairly well respected as a fighting force?
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Jan 27, 2019 00:45
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XN_qgbM6Dc "It's really...outdoor-kind-of music"
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Jan 27, 2019 01:06
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HEY GUNS posted:Yesterday In History With Leo Tolstoy Exactly 168 years? Was his diary not dated on the Julian calendar?
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Jan 27, 2019 01:16
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Platystemon posted:Exactly 168 years? poo poo you're right
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Jan 27, 2019 01:18
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quote:there is little or no evidence to support it; nor does it seem to be, or have been, a major problem in non-Western forces such as Hezbollah, Daesh, and, four decades ago, the Viet Cong Dumbass. The idea that the Viet Cong didn't suffer from PTSD is absurd.
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Jan 27, 2019 01:19
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Cessna posted:Dumbass.
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Jan 27, 2019 01:20
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Among all the other things wrong with that rant, studies made by the Norwegian army indicate that the rate of sexual harassment goes down when the number of women in the units goes up.
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Jan 27, 2019 01:39
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Guy seems kinda crazy and not the good kind like getting drunk and buying an unneeded horse. (we've all been there) e: the drunk purchases, I mean.
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Jan 27, 2019 02:18
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Milo and POTUS posted:Guy seems kinda crazy and not the good kind like getting drunk and buying an unneeded horse.
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Jan 27, 2019 02:21
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Vaginal Vagrant posted:Isn't the (coed) IDF fairly well respected as a fighting force? Yeah of all the criticisms I've heard leveled at the IDF, competency was probably least among them.
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Jan 27, 2019 02:25
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Epicurius posted:There was the Pig War, which started when somebody's pig got into somebody else's garden, and almost led to war between the US and Britain. Definitely the silliest pretense for a war: 1859, luckily the governments realized how stupid it was and called it off before any humans got shot. wikipedia posted:During the years of joint military occupation, the small British and American units on San Juan Island had an amicable mutual social life, visiting one another's camps to celebrate their respective national holidays and holding various athletic competitions. Park rangers tell visitors the biggest threat to peace on the island during these years was "the large amounts of alcohol available". Also the one place in the US where the Union Jack is still officially flown without diplomatic status. We got the island in the boundary resolution (arbitrated by Wilhelm I), but we still fly their flag at their fort.  Raenir Salazar posted:God I hate this guy already. There's a whole hilarious/depressing thread in the SA military subforum. Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 02:56
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Vaginal Vagrant posted:Isn't the (coed) IDF fairly well respected as a fighting force? The IDF has a very strong reputation but they've also spent a lot of time recently shooting at non-peer opponents, which is one of those things that makes evaluation tricky. The participation of women in the IDF has also been somewhat overstated at times: they've always had a lot of female soldiers because of conscription but from after the 1948 independence war until 2000 these were relegated to your standard non-combat, rear-line duties. Which is not to malign the importance of non-combat/rear area roles, but when people talk about female IDF soldier they're usually invoking the image of a woman going out and shooting at people - which wasn't really a thing until 2000. Not that it's all that much of a thing now either: for all the talk of the IDF being coed female combat troops are usually part of three battalions that are invariably tasked with border duties and the IDF makes sure to keep its female soldiers in low-conflict areas. Arban posted:Among all the other things wrong with that rant, studies made by the Norwegian army indicate that the rate of sexual harassment goes down when the number of women in the units goes up. There was also a pretty interesting study of a coed medical battalion that showed that coed battalions did worse than all-female and all-male units. What happened was that chauvinist attitudes among the male soldiers led them to claim traditionally "masculine" tasks like weapons use. In turn, the female soldiers desperately latched onto what was left: medical tasks. The result was a battalion of women who couldn't shoot (because the men wouldn't let or help them train) and men who couldn't patch wounds (because the women wouldn't let or help them train). The conclusion of the report was basically that it'd be a lot better for women to not be exposed to that kind of toxic coed environment, because it hurt their training. This also matches a lot of the experiences women in the all-female special forces unit report: it's easier for them to feel wellness and perform when they don't have to deal with the comments/attitudes/gazes/presence of men whenever they go pee in the woods or whatever.
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Jan 27, 2019 02:57
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LatwPIAT posted:There was also a pretty interesting study of a coed medical battalion that showed that coed battalions did worse than all-female and all-male units. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 03:05
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Chillbro Baggins posted:There's a whole hilarious/depressing thread in the SA military subforum.
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Jan 27, 2019 03:24
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HEY GUNS posted:this thread is extremely good I forget what page it is where it gets to the level of your guys shooting out windows and oopsie, but one time, somebody had a sidearm fall overboard from a helicopter, and like 12 people died in two helo crashes trying to find a lost pistol.
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Jan 27, 2019 03:44
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HEY GUNS posted:this thread is extremely good Probably what a hypothetical online forum from your period of interest would look like too.
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Jan 27, 2019 03:49
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Chillbro Baggins posted:I forget what page it is where it gets to the level of your guys shooting out windows and oopsie, but one time, somebody had a sidearm fall overboard from a helicopter, and like 12 people died in two helo crashes trying to find a lost pistol.
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Jan 27, 2019 03:50
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Taerkar posted:Probably what a hypothetical online forum from your period of interest would look like too.
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Jan 27, 2019 03:51
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HEY GUNS posted:is that better or worse than that FBI agent last year who was getting drunk at a country western bar, did a backflip with a loaded pistol shoved into his waistband, and accidentally shot someone Worse. The incident you mentioned was on par with your guy shooting outvthe window, the one I mentioned was two choppers lost with all hands looking for a pistol some dumbass let fall out of his kit.
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Jan 27, 2019 03:59
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Chillbro Baggins posted:Worse. The incident you mentioned was on par with your guy shooting outvthe window, the one I mentioned was two choppers lost with all hands looking for a pistol some dumbass let fall out of his kit.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:42
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It's been a long time since I read Achilles in Vietnam, but I recall the argument for Achilles himself being a PTSD case making a lot of sense to me. Maybe Van Creveld thinks he doesn't count, because he was too much of a mama's boy.
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Jan 27, 2019 07:11
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Can't speak to this guy's credentials, but there are a lot (a LOT) of chickenhawk types who denigrate people who've actually been diagnosed with it.
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Jan 27, 2019 08:26
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van Creveld is also one of those nutters arguing for nuclear attack on uninvolved states in the event Israel is overrun. Which other nutters interpret as such a policy actually existing (it doesn't). Thus more fuel for the anti-semitic fire in the form of this "sampson-option" nonsense.
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Jan 27, 2019 08:55
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Suppose you got to vote on faces for a European Mt. Rushmore. Four portraits somewhere photogenic in the Alps. Four choices, MilHist thread; go. I say Augustus Caesar, Charlemagne, Charles V of Spain, and Winston Churchill with Napoleon as an alternate.
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Jan 27, 2019 09:41
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Suppose you got to vote on faces for a European Mt. Rushmore. Four portraits somewhere photogenic in the Alps. Turing, Napoleon, Marx, Charles II of Spain with a viewing platform built into his lower jaw.
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Jan 27, 2019 10:05
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are we talking west or east. because justinian was pretty cool
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Jan 27, 2019 10:12
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HEY GUNS posted:are we talking west or east. because justinian was pretty cool I think current EU membership suffices. And yes, that still includes Limeyland.
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Jan 27, 2019 10:13
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Edit: three guys who look like young Tim Curry with different facial hair, and their grandma.
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Jan 27, 2019 10:18
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I think current EU membership suffices. And yes, that still includes Limeyland. The problem is, if we put good old Winston on a mountain in the Alps, there's a good chance it won't survive a full year before someone defaces it with dynamite
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Jan 27, 2019 10:22
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I say Augustus Caesar, Charlemagne, Charles V of Spain, and Winston Churchill with Napoleon as an alternate. whoever they are need to not only possess military greatness but also be pan-Europeanly(??) relevant. So Napoleon more than Churchill because he was a Corsican who rose in the army of a people not his own through merit. this is why i picked basil II, whose empire extended to italy. wallenstein is ironically not on the list because what he created did not outlast him. for a similar reason neither is philip II: both of them carried too much of what they did alone, with few delegates or lasting accomplishments. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 10:29
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Suppose you got to vote on faces for a European Mt. Rushmore. Four portraits somewhere photogenic in the Alps. Historically, playing cards have featured Big Chuck, Tsar Augustus, Große Alex, and David of the House of David. The proposal everyone will hate on but I’m making it anyway: Hadrian, Theodora, Charlemagne, Elizabeth
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Jan 27, 2019 10:39
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Platystemon posted:Historically, playing cards have featured Big Chuck, Tsar Augustus, Große Alex, and David of the House of David.
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Jan 27, 2019 10:41
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Global significance isn’t always a good thing, but it’s a fair point.
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Jan 27, 2019 10:45
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you're entirely right that theodora > justinian though
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Jan 27, 2019 10:46
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If I were to dynamite a perfectly good mountain top and replace it with a vain monument to a badass of the week, I would only pick people with egg-heads, double-chins, or ridiculous wigs that even the finest portraits couldn't make good. Here is an example of what I mean. Handle is cool but not a badass though. My choices start with Eugen of Savoy who looks a twink who got put through a leather tannery
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Jan 27, 2019 11:14
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How can you talk about blowing poo poo up in the Alps to nobody's gain without including Cadorna?
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Jan 27, 2019 11:45
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HEY GUNS posted:alexander, basil II, charles v, dunno about the fourth I feel like Alexander is only European in retrospect thanks to the Greco-Roman legacy. Augustus, on the other hand. And I picked Churchill because of role he played in defeating the greatest negative vision of European unity, and because he understood that treaties are not just scraps of paper, but dire responsibilities. Whatever else you can accuse him of, he took the accord Britain signed with Poland and France more seriously than probably any other comparable British politician in 1939-40 would have.
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Jan 27, 2019 11:53
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:If I were to dynamite a perfectly good mountain top and replace it with a vain monument to a badass of the week, I would only pick people with egg-heads, double-chins, or ridiculous wigs that even the finest portraits couldn't make good. Here is an example of what I mean. [img][/img]  Bad kings only, but only if they're also ugly. So basically just gonna be Mt Hapsburg
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I notice with interest that while Mt. Rushmore was built to commemorate democratic leaders who, ostensibly, had done deeds for the benefit of USA, your European proposals were tyrants who never did anything for anyone but themselves. Surely the monuments would have to depict the founding fathers of EU? Or is the intent of it to serve as a warning of what might be the alternative? Make a momument of Hitler putting a bullet through his skull (with the bullet and bone fragments just breaking through from the other side).
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