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KozmoNaut posted:Same here in Denmark. I was totally surprised back this summer when I stayed out late enjoying the sunset, and didn't get eaten alive by mosquitoes after a few minutes. Normally that's completely impossible. It took a couple summers of horrible wildfires up here to get people to seem to really acknowledge climate change significantly more than usual, so at least hopefully another year of even fewer insects than last will get people's attention? Also gives that much more time for fully unmitigated damage to be done though, and insects are pretty easy for people to push out of their minds and ignore. 
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I have to wonder if there is an Invertebrate Ark Project somewhere similar to how there are seed banks and egg banks.
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KozmoNaut posted:Same here in Denmark. It's kind of morbid, but if you want to get a reaction out of someone over the age of 40 just ask them about cleaning dead bugs off of windshields. I actually came across some pictures from a summer road trip that I took with a few friends right after high school, back in 2002ish. We drove about 1100 miles, and some of the pictures are of the front my car just plastered in dead bugs. We had to stop along the way and stock up on windshield washer fluid because we were burning through it so quickly to keep the windshield clear. Summer meant bugs everywhere, so it didn't seem out of the ordinary at all. I showed those pictures to my mom and it freaked her out because she couldn't remember the last summer where bugs on the highway were bad enough to even be noticeable. I couldn't either. (for what it's worth, I think there are some serious suggestions that cars may actually be a contributor to the declining insect population)
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The thing that's been in my head is the late cretaceous. A lot of the paleontologists seem to think the mass extinction was underway well before the asteroid.
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Insanite posted:I wish these folks the best, but holy hell is it depressing that we still have articles like this running in 2019: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/27/climate-change-politics-224295 Is this even true? Everyone at Davos is wringing their hands about climate change and won't do poo poo about it, either.
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Insanite posted:I wish these folks the best, but holy hell is it depressing that we still have articles like this running in 2019: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/27/climate-change-politics-224295 Convincing people who believe in powerful sky fairies that climate change is real and caused by human activity sounds like an exercise in futility. They are a minority and we need to focus on obtaining political power.
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plushpuffin posted:‘Everything is not going to be okay’: How to live with constant reminders that the Earth is in trouble quote:If you have an infant daughter, she is expected to live 81.1 years, and so she will be here for 2100, a year that is no longer mythical ... During her lifetime, the oceans will acidify at a rate not seen in 66 million years. One research team suggests that by her 29th birthday, there will be no more saltwater fish. I really cannot understand my friends who are having kids and unreservedly excited and hopeful about it.
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Nail Rat posted:I really cannot understand my friends who are having kids and unreservedly excited and hopeful about it. good source of protein
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Nail Rat posted:I really cannot understand my friends who are having kids and unreservedly excited and hopeful about it. There has been a consistent and strong general narrative that we can keep pushing off addressing climate change. Not to mention the general overload of stuff you can gorge yourself on* means its very easy to never see anything that indicates how serious and present climate change is, not to mention the ol favourite joke of "so much for that global warming eh?? could use a bit of that now". In other news some people stopped talking to me as often because I don't let that joke go anymore, I'm doing my part (in the least  way possible)* I'm definitely not laying blame, as I literally spent this weekend watching esports tournaments cause I could and it ate up over a dozen hours
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Oxxidation posted:good source of protein There's loads of fat kids who cant run very fast already, so I think were covered 
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People aren't going to stop having kids. People aren't going to stop being excited about having kids. It's not going to happen, and that alone is a good reason to not bother bringing it up. I'm all for getting in people's faces about all kinds of poo poo, but kids are not something you will ever change anyone's mind on, so worrying about it or arguing about it is more pointless than the already extremely pointless poo poo that gets talked about in this thread all the time. Let people be excited and just accept that their kids are going to hate us with far more fury than we could ever muster up for boomers.
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Cerepol posted:There has been a consistent and strong general narrative that we can keep pushing off addressing climate change. Not to mention the general overload of stuff you can gorge yourself on* means its very easy to never see anything that indicates how serious and present climate change is, not to mention the ol favourite joke of "so much for that global warming eh?? could use a bit of that now". I guarantee we're going to get at least two tweets by President Piss about that this week.
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One of the strengths of the human condition is you can’t miss what you never had. The people growing up in a world without wont have our angst of the memory of eden. They’ll miss fish like we miss roaming herds of buffalo; only vaguely and without the same emotional tinge.
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Trabisnikof posted:One of the strengths of the human condition is you can’t miss what you never had. However, there are kids being born now who will have fish, and the ability to see coral reefs, for a bit, who won't have any of that when they're 40 or 50. Those people are going to be maybe the worst off.
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Goons Are Great posted:Given that the same strategy (for better or worse) worked quite well in getting rid of nuclear plants, this is some sign of hope that politics can do something necessary like that. They did that by replacing it with predominantly natural gas.
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VideoGameVet posted:Strong possibility of climate denying nonsense spewing out of Congress and the White House. IF CLIMATE CHANGE WHY COLD  says the idiotsI swear that one smug fucker that brought a snowball into congress I think it was should be force fed coal.
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Reminder that James Inhofe is still a senator. He chairs the Armed Services Committee, which I guess must ignore the military's concerns about climate change entirely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0a_60PMR8
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KozmoNaut posted:Same here in Denmark. Here South West of France I still see and hear cicadas during the summer. You could hear them chirping until far later in the season. Also we're more and more concerned by the extension of the area of tiger-mosquito . A major public health risk above a f***ing nightmare when the sun goes down, everything you love . We're also largely impacted by the asiatic hornet, adding another stress to the bees .
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Nail Rat posted:I guarantee we're going to get at least two tweets by President Piss about that this week. VideoGameVet posted:Strong possibility of climate denying nonsense spewing out of Congress and the White House. Well you're not wrong. OhDearGodNo posted:https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1090074254010404864?s=21 I wonder at which point my rising panic about this is going to impact my relationship with my girlfriend who is firmly in the "you're being alarmist, socialism is dumb, you're not personally sacrificing everything/recycling enough to singlehandedly save the earth therefore your climate change worries are hypocrisy" camp. I'm kind of hoping I can change her mind and we can go full prepper together.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:If your girlfriend, after hearing about socialism and the science on the climate, is in that camp you may need to find another girlfriend. Nah, she's just had her mind corrupted by a uni economics masters. She can be salvaged I'm sure, she's super down with sustainability, responsible resource managment and living with a low as possible carbon footprint in practice. E: I may to be fair get slightly hyperbolic at times, I blame my anxiety over the insects being gone, oceans going sour and my continual fear of a sudden food shortage.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Nah, she's just had her mind corrupted by a uni economics masters. She can be salvaged I'm sure, she's super down with sustainability, responsible resource managment and living with a low as possible carbon footprint in practice. "social science" majors aren't worth saving or capable of being helped, sorry bro.
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USPOL having the same icon as this thread is really loving with my head. I kept clicking that thread and thinking it was this one. Straya is baking and the midwest is a day after tomorrow frozen hellscape. I can't wait to see how much of my state is on fire this summer.
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silicone thrills posted:USPOL having the same icon as this thread is really loving with my head. I kept clicking that thread and thinking it was this one. If you combine Australia and the Midwest, you basically have a pleasant spring day. I don't see a problem. 
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So for those working on becoming self-sufficient food wise or just switching to a vegetarian diet, what exactly do you eat in a day to day basis? What would be the most sustainable meal plan? Looking at vegan recipes online just seems to produce tons of stuff requiring a food processor or ingredients I never heard of. Don't think that would be feasible in case of a collapse.
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Insanite posted:Please do not besmirch the cool social sciences by lumping economics in with them. Yuck. I don't know which is more horrifying - the fact that Donald Trump has a Bachelor of Science degree or the fact that his college figured economics is worthy of a science degree.
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AceOfFlames posted:So for those working on becoming self-sufficient food wise or just switching to a vegetarian diet, what exactly do you eat in a day to day basis? What would be the most sustainable meal plan? Looking at vegan recipes online just seems to produce tons of stuff requiring a food processor or ingredients I never heard of. Don't think that would be feasible in case of a collapse. For switching to a vegetarian diet, I generally find that things that replicate meat-dishes are rarely worth the effort to make at home. Lots of good, healthy, vegetarian dishes out there in a bunch of different cultures to pick from. For self-sufficiency in food, that kinda assumes your a landowner and likely in land far away from cities. What matters there the most would be what agriculture can you continue to rely on as your climate shifts. For gardening as a way to supplement a diet, probably whatever grows well locally will be whatever you learn to cook like a boss. I used to make a decent lemon wine for that reason, too many lemons for anything else. In case of collapse you'll eat whatever you can find and cook it however you can, you don't need to worry about recipes for post-collapse of society.
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But AOC is 1. Extremely good 2. An active forums user So she'll read that and know that she's cool. (Unlike the planet, which is very warm.) Re: vegetarian/vegan diets: Food processors are really useful, and part of trying out what's essentially a whole new world of food is learning about new ingredients. Just go slow, stick to recipes that draw from the same set of ingredients at once, and see what you like. Keeping local and in season is good, but if you're just adjusting, it might make sense to just work from established recipes and start to sub in suitable things as you learn. (Exactly what _is_ "local" or "in season" could change along with the climate, so flexibility is a good thing.) Meat substitutes are generally meh. Draw on cuisines that are veggie friendly, like Indian, Ethiopian, etc. Prepare to learn how to do rice, beans, and lentils a bunch of different ways. Nuts and root vegetables rule, too. Big, leafy greens are versatile, and it's pretty easy to grow them yourself. You'd be surprised at what you can do without meat--no food processor required. You might consider a pressure cooker, though, if you don't want to have to soak/cook beans for hours and hours. I started my plant-heavy (still do some chicken and fish) journey with Madhur Jaffrey's World Vegetarian cookbook, which was fun. Insanite fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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