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Woman in 14-Year Coma Gives Birth in Arizonaquote:Update: Nathan Sutherland, a 36-year-old nurse at the Hacienda HealthCare facility has been arrested and charged with one count of sexual assault and one count of vulnerable adult abuse, according to the Associated Press. I'm not quite sure how they didn't realize she was pregnant. Human Tornada posted:^What he said but they've also used it for a few commercials where they talk about determination and the American spirit or whatever, like for Nike or Chrysler or something. Nike commercials ring a bell but I think it was a breaking bad
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FireWorksWell posted:Woman in 14-Year Coma Gives Birth in Arizona also she wasn't in a coma. she is just severely mentally and physically handicapped.
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Jan 24, 2019 07:30
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Solice Kirsk posted:That sounds terrible. Imagine waiting around for the very last person to awaken and it's just taking them soooooo many lifetimes. Like, it's just you and that one last guy and he just doesn't get it over and over again. Like the kid that never understood multiples of 8 so the whole class is waiting like 10 minutes into recess until he understands, but for eternity. The Buddha would give him as long as he needed.
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Jan 24, 2019 07:42
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Tashilicious posted:also she wasn't in a coma. she is just severely mentally and physically handicapped. Exactly. And it's not 14 years, her condition has been known, and treated there, for twenty-three. That article is amazingly wrong with a lot of the facts.
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Randaconda posted:https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/bryan-singers-accusers-speak-out/580462/?utm_source=twb Graduated Magna Cum Laude from the Kevin Spacey School of Etiquette.
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Jan 24, 2019 07:57
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Wth Rollingstone.
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Jan 24, 2019 10:56
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AlbieQuirky posted:They were her parents’ employers, so it’s not as random a connection as it might seem. Okay, that makes a lot more sense than Turkey Company Needs Good PR.
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Busket Posket posted:Okay, that makes a lot more sense than Turkey Company Needs Good PR. Don't worry, they already dissolved the parent's 401ks and pensions into their corporate slush fund so there won't be a scary red bar on the data sheet this month. Everyone wins!
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Jan 24, 2019 14:23
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Come to the pageant and discuss coma lady with more goons!
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Jan 24, 2019 19:42
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Randaconda posted:What?? It’s a game of thrones joke.
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Winklebottom posted:A two-year-old in Spain has fallen down a 360 foot deep, 9 inch wide borehole https://twitter.com/GuardianUS/status/1089057868425412608 
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Jan 26, 2019 08:48
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So remember the discussion a page or two back about the ethics about the incorporation of real life horror stories into media and the trauma of their living family? https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1088981324495495168?s=19
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Jan 26, 2019 13:14
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Apraxin posted:Guess the question of 'was this real or not' is answered:
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Jan 26, 2019 14:09
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Koalas March posted:So remember the discussion a page or two back about the ethics about the incorporation of real life horror stories into media and the trauma of their living family? I mean, they couldn't have made that movie with out the family's permission right? https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jan/23/james-bulger-detainment-parents-film-oscar-nomination-denise-fergus-ralph-bulger quote:It’s one thing making a film like this without contacting or getting permission from James’s family but another to have a child re-enact the final hours of James’s life before he was brutally murdered and making myself and my family have to relive this all over again! Eeeesh....guess not.
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Jan 26, 2019 14:36
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Solice Kirsk posted:I mean, they couldn't have made that movie with out the family's permission right? When asked, the director basically said "no we didn't bother asking, because we knew they'd say no", and afaik the family of James basically agreed they would have blocked it for being "too sympathetic" to the children responsible. Imo it raises an interesting discussion, but I realise this thread may not necessarily be the best place for it.
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Jan 26, 2019 14:54
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Apraxin posted:Guess the question of 'was this real or not' is answered: Bleh! I was really rooting for fake. What a tragedy
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Whitlam posted:When asked, the director basically said "no we didn't bother asking, because we knew they'd say no", and afaik the family of James basically agreed they would have blocked it for being "too sympathetic" to the children responsible. Imo it raises an interesting discussion, but I realise this thread may not necessarily be the best place for it. Nah, we can probably talk about it here.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Nah, we can probably talk about it here. Herzog shoulda played the loving tape.
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Jan 28, 2019 21:20
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This story is a real emotional roller coaster. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1089860841925758976?s=21
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Jan 28, 2019 21:27
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More details are emerging about the nurse who raped and impregnated the vegetative patient in Phoenix.quote:3. Sutherland was part of a Christian rap [group]— In 2009, Sutherland and his sister, calling themselves Sleeplessouljaz, released a Christian rap album called “Certified Fake Face.”
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Jan 29, 2019 02:38
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I'm gonna say it again, she's not vegetative. That implies a decline from somewhere, and brain death. Severe developmental disability, but she's cognizant, as cognizant as she's ever been, which is even more terrifying.
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Queen Combat posted:I'm gonna say it again, she's not vegetative. That implies a decline from somewhere, and brain death. Wasn't the decline when she drowned as a child?
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Queen Combat posted:I'm gonna say it again, she's not vegetative. That implies a decline from somewhere, and brain death. Apologies, 90% of sources use the phrase and I repeated it without thinking.
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I thought it was just her family saying she's cognitive.
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Jan 29, 2019 02:58
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xtal posted:Wasn't the decline when she drowned as a child? Well, at 3, but that's a lot different than 7 or 20. This isn't a Terry Schiavo situation is what I'm saying. Most of the articles (ironically except that most recent linked one) say "vegetative," which implies a very specific scenario that this isn't. She's conscious, has brain activity, responds to stimuli, moves her eyes spontaneously, etc. That's a human person, not a bag of organs being powered only by a half-dead brain stem and cardiogenisis and nothing else, you get what I mean? This entire thing is horrifying. I worked until last year for five years with PMT/Rural Metro/AMR ambulance doing interfacility ambulance transfers in the central/east valley. Hacienda was a weekly regular, I've been there dozens or even a hundred+ times. The place is an absolute shithole, and we all expect the worst from places like that. It's just sad the rumors and speculation sometimes are true And what does arguing against the family's claims mean to prove? That a rape of a person in a coma/in a vegetative state is any less of a crime? They're all horrible, the only difference is in which direction the knife in this story is twisted in your gut. Queen Combat has a new favorite as of 03:09 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Jan 29, 2019 03:04
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Whitlam posted:When asked, the director basically said "no we didn't bother asking, because we knew they'd say no", and afaik the family of James basically agreed they would have blocked it for being "too sympathetic" to the children responsible. Imo it raises an interesting discussion, but I realise this thread may not necessarily be the best place for it. This is so disturbing to me. The entire case is a loving shitshow. I cannot believe how many times the government has protected that rear end in a top hat’s identity despite repeated crimes against children. You’d think the “he was only a kid!” defense would have run out of steam by now.
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Queen Combat posted:And what does arguing against the family's claims mean to prove? That a rape of a person in a coma/in a vegetative state is any less of a crime? They're all horrible, the only difference is in which direction the knife in this story is twisted in your gut. I don't think anyone's arguing that vegetative vs. limited cognition makes the crime any less horrible, but you're the one insisting that she's one and not the other, and when people say "isn't it just the parents saying that" they're remembering cases like Jahi McMath, where the parents will believe anything and give credit to any possible sign to keep up the belief that their child is still alive/"really in there"/etc. If her doctors are saying she's got consciousness, that's one thing, but if it's just the parents...
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I didn't mean to come off as accusatory, sorry. The reports from the facility, and the facility's rep statements, never say vegetative or coma. And, having been to Hacienda dozens of times, they don't generally take those patients; there are other, (tbh cheaper) places that are designed for that. They're more of a long-term+rehab care place, not a SNF designed for end of life or terminal care. Due to HIPAA you're not going to hear from a doctor which it is, of course. And some patients in either category do get misplaced. And if I or anybody else in healthcare familiar with the case knew, it couldn't be said either. Just, I urge you to be with this understanding.
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Queen Combat posted:Due to HIPAA you're not going to hear from a doctor which it is, of course. And some patients in either category do get misplaced. And if I or anybody else in healthcare familiar with the case knew, it couldn't be said either. Just, I urge you to be with this understanding. So something I just thought of while reading this, what does HIPPA say about a doctor testifying in open court in a case like this and possibly 'violating' HIPPA in the case of an incapacitated person?
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HIPAA is waived in pursuit of a heinous crime, if necessary, but can only be waived by appropriate witnesses called to court or to stop a felony in progress or when abuse is suspected. Sensitive facts may also be discussed in chambers, if necessary. Lawyers on either side can call for privacy if necessary, and at that point it's up to the judge to decide if it needs to be revealed to the jury, either openly or in writing. At least, that's what I remember from the small handful of times I've had to testify (5 years ambulance, 1 year burn/burn pediatrics, I'm actually lucky to have so few court appearances). E to avoid making GBS threads up the thread further with my stuff vvvv: I fully admit I could be totally wrong, this is all personal experience and anecdote being swirled into a morass. It's just that this case terrifies me more than most, and hits closer to home than anything has. I have no clue about high level HIPAA stuff, either. Just parroting what a few company lawyers and the yearly online trainings say, which are both simplified versions. There are five places I wouldn't send anybody, and that place is a very close #6. Queen Combat has a new favorite as of 05:02 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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You sound experienced so I apologize for poo poo-quoting you. That's interesting about HIPAA though. I wonder about what the limits are like in practice. Are there cases that involve this?
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If you wanna see HIPAA violations, go to the closest bar by a hospital after the night shift gets out. Any group of three or more will start blurting out names and cases almost instantly. Not saying HIPAA isn't important at an institutional level and but it's almost immediately forgotten after two drinks by everyone else.
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Zero One posted:This story is a real emotional roller coaster. It pisses me off that there is publick footage of the two brothers meeting in jail. There is no reason for anyone to ever see footage of a private moment like that.
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kanonvandekempen posted:It pisses me off that there is publick footage of the two brothers meeting in jail. There is no reason for anyone to ever see footage of a private moment like that. well how else would someone get content to make the inevitable bad steam game
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Plinkey posted:So something I just thought of while reading this, what does HIPPA say about a doctor testifying in open court in a case like this and possibly 'violating' HIPPA in the case of an incapacitated person? HIPAA-protected information can be disclosed when necessary to comply with the law. So mandatory reporters are still allowed to report the things they're required to report, for example. Court orders, warrants and subpoenas are also things that need to be complied with. kanonvandekempen posted:It pisses me off that there is publick footage of the two brothers meeting in jail. There is no reason for anyone to ever see footage of a private moment like that. It was an interrogation, not a private moment. Guy asked for a lawyer so they couldn't ask him any more questions, but it's legal for them to let his brother in to talk to him. And interrogations should be filmed in all circumstances.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/housekeeper-stuck-in-elevator-three-days-trnd/index.html I've never been afraid of elevators but I would never ever go in a private elevator without no one knowing I'm going in watching me get out. Elevator related oldie. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/world/asia/china-woman-elevator-death.html
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Elevators and escalators are basically execution methods with a low success rate. Take the stairs. https://www.ranker.com/list/escalator-deaths/christopher-shultz
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I work with government documents in an academic library and have spent this afternoon reading the blood-curdling tale of pure horror that is the Final Report of the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments (1995). It's just page after page of heinous poo poo doctors and scientists have done to powerless people, believing themselves morally justified because of the supposed Value to Science of their experiments. This is where I had to quit reading. The part in bold made me sick. quote:Attitudes and Practices Prior to 1944
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