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Presenting Nipples posted:It isn't even clear if the author thinks it is unlikely based on the science or based on her own moral judgement. It seems more like it is the latter. I'm sure the CIA is of the moral character to not attempt it. I think that as a scientist speaking in a national magazine called "Scientific American," she's basing her assumptions on published articles and the scientific literature. She mentions the few cases where there has been presumed transmission of cancer, but we don't know how or why these cases happened, they remain medical mysteries for the most part and are not easily reproducible in the lab, much less in some sci-fi spec-ops scenario with an actual human where there's a million uncontrolled variables. Frankly, they could have *tried* to and I would still say that the literature linking obesity, a sedentary lifestyle, and eating red meat is much more likely to have given Chavez colorectal cancer than the CIA rubbing his colon with a bunch of untested sci-fi viruses with non-reproducible lab results. Your argument would be more convincing if you could link to a scientific article from a lab working on engineering an oncovirus or which had successfully transmitted cancer under controlled, reproducible conditions. Most cancer models are done with knockout mice where the mice have been specifically bred to have particular oncogenes.
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elgatofilo posted:I think that as a scientist speaking in a national magazine called "Scientific American," she's basing her assumptions on published articles and the scientific literature. She mentions the few cases where there has been presumed transmission of cancer, but we don't know how or why these cases happened, they remain medical mysteries for the most part and are not easily reproducible in the lab, much less in some sci-fi spec-ops scenario with an actual human where there's a million uncontrolled variables. I don't think Chavez was induced with cancer. I wouldn't be completely shocked if it turned out he was, either. The person criticizing me was openly mocking that article as Alex Jones level of conspiracy theory and comparing Venzeula Analysis as akin to Info Wars based on that one article. I think the information provided adequately disputes that assertion.
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chavez aside, maduro's fate of just eating at nusr-et in istanbul for the rest of his life sounds like a pretty decent way to go
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There were big protests scheduled today weren't there? How did they go? Is anyone expecting protests will continue into the night?
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patonthebach posted:I don't know why the die hard commies areally defending this fact gently caress when he runs the country more like saddam than castro It’s funny you mention Iraq, because I remember the cries of “dictator lover!” and “listen to the Iraqi people!” back then too. We’ve apparently learned nothing
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It really isn't too bad saddam isn't still in power today. Don't you think? https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561?lang=en
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elgatofilo posted:I believe it was Maduro himself who said that the CIA infected Chavez with an oncovirus. you heard it here first, the CIA posed as prostitutes to infect Chavez during his nightly round of socialist revolutionary buttsex
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I will need to take a break of a few months from Twitter after all this poo poo is over. I've been updating my feed obsessively to check up on news for several days now. Here's the worst part of today (although I think this was news yesterday) – a brief interview with an epileptic kid that was detained and beaten by the National Guard for protesting: https://twitter.com/CaraotaDigital/status/1090307609238925314 There have been reports of dozens of kids being detained during this past week. One fourteen-year-old indigenous girl was detained and charged with terrorism for protesting, just to give you an idea, but I think she was released shortly thereafter due to the backlash.
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Labradoodle posted:I will need to take a break of a few months from Twitter after all this poo poo is over. I've been updating my feed obsessively to check up on news for several days now. Here's the worst part of today (although I think this was news yesterday) – a brief interview with an epileptic kid that was detained and beaten by the National Guard for protesting: no you see it would be worse if maduro was not president also chavez got cancer virus from CIA
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patonthebach posted:It really isn't too bad saddam isn't still in power today. Don't you think? 
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elgatofilo posted:I believe it was Maduro himself who said that the CIA infected Chavez with an oncovirus. 
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patonthebach posted:It really isn't too bad saddam isn't still in power today. Don't you think? it's insanely funny that within a 3 page span it has gone from "think of the starving" to "easily worth a million dead iraqis" Although a million is probably a gross underestimate.
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patonthebach posted:It really isn't too bad saddam isn't still in power today. Don't you think? when your defense of Venezuelan regime change takes you to a place where you're stuck explaining why ISIS wasn't actually THAT bad, you know you're on to a winner
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Venezuela Has 20 Tons of Gold Ready to Ship. Address Unknown -Lawmaker claims Russian airplane has come to whisk it away -Gold accounts for much of the country’s remaining hard assets Bloomberg has separate corroboration of the report on the gold being prepared for removal.
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Russia has to save the gold from american empirialists so it can be used for future anti imperial actions aka A nice dacha for Maduro in Crimea. - every poster after Avila posts a maduro debt press release
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Russia has to save the gold from american empirialists so it can be used for future anti imperial actions aka A nice dacha for Maduro in Crimea. hey, a nice dacha in crimea is better than being given butt cancer by the cia. also, the bank of england just stole ~30 tons of gold from maduro's government, you can't blame them for seeking alternative ways of storing it.
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GoluboiOgon posted:hey, a nice dacha in crimea is better than being given butt cancer by the cia. If they return the gold to guiado aftet the power trade i will be okay with this protective action But lets see what happens. Also i think the cancer gun has about 5 settings so butt cancer is a distinct possibility of ammo types
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Chuck tingle joke goes here Edit pounded in the rear end by my 20 tons of radioactive CIA gold cancer
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So, according to Fightradar that B777 departed Caracas and is now landing at Moscow.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:If they return the gold to guiado aftet the power trade i will be okay with this protective action Hell, what if guaidó fails and that gold sits there until the next crisis, waiting for the once and future king who will be able to pull it out from the Bank of England
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Discendo Vox posted:Chuck tingle joke goes here you know it is extremely WEIRD that Chavez got cancer right around the time most people that get cancer get cancer it is possible he just got cancer cause he was in his late fifties but there is a chance he got the thing many of us get in our late fifties to sixties was strategically planned cancer
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:when your defense of Venezuelan regime change takes you to a place where you're stuck explaining why ISIS wasn't actually THAT bad, you know you're on to a winner Why would you compare Saddam/Assad to ISIS when discussing lovely governments under threat of rebellion when Assad exists? Anyways, Maduro hasn't sent in the tanks/AAA guns to murder everyone just yet and isn't leading a ethno-nationalist fascist party from the 40's like noted anti-imperialists Saddam and Assad, so I don't think it's gonna be quite that bad. But then nobody seems especially interested in intervening militarily anyways (aside from the Russian "mercenaries" which kinda parallel to what happened with Assad at first), so it's still a pretty lovely comparison! Warbadger fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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The large adult son of the revolution.
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Warbadger posted:Why would you compared Saddam/Assad to ISIS when discussing lovely governments under threat of rebellion when Assad exists? Anyways, Maduro hasn't sent in the tanks/AAA guns to murder everyone just yet and isn't leading a ethno-nationalist fascist party from the 40's like noted anti-imperialists Saddam and Assad, so I don't think it's gonna be quite that bad. But then nobody seems especially interested in intervening militarily anyways (aside from the Russian "mercenaries" which kinda parallel to what happened with Assad at first), so it's still a pretty lovely comparison!
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Bolton's notes showed that Trump is in fact interested in a military intervention. I'm sure you can come up with reasons why this time a military intervention to effect regime change won't go horribly wrong, just as people have done for all the past military interventions that went horribly wrong. 5,000 troops is no intervention by themselves. Rumsfeld tried to invade Iraq with the bare minimum and it still took half a million soldiers. That 5K if deployed might be a show of force, or part of an initial buildup towards an eventual intervention, but they're not invading anywhere by themselves.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Bolton's notes showed that Trump is in fact interested in a military intervention. I'm sure you can come up with reasons why this time a military intervention to effect regime change won't go horribly wrong, just as people have done for all the past military interventions that went horribly wrong. Pretty sure that isn't exactly what came out of his notes and, even if it had been, that 5k troops aren't going to invade Venezuela. I guess it's fair to say that could count as considering "military intervention" - but not in any way that resembles the boogeyman Iraq/Syria/etc. examples people keep throwing out there. After all, if you're going to count that, then Russia is already militarily intervening with boots on the ground right now. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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Presenting Nipples posted:I don't think Chavez was induced with cancer. I wouldn't be completely shocked if it turned out he was, either. The person criticizing me was openly mocking that article as Alex Jones level of conspiracy theory and comparing Venzeula Analysis as akin to Info Wars based on that one article. I think the information provided adequately disputes that assertion. They did it to Bob Marley!
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Warbadger posted:Pretty sure that isn't exactly what came out of his notes and, even if it had been, that 5k troops aren't going to invade Venezuela. I guess it's fair to say that could count as considering "military intervention" - but not in any way that resembles the boogeyman Iraq/Syria/etc. examples people keep throwing out there. The US is doing a complete economic blockade of the country and causing the destabilization of Venezuela. The US is pushing for regime change via armed conflict. They would love a civil war and are ensuring Venezuela remains destabilized until it happens. Doing some bullshit false equivalence about Russia troops isn’t going to change that fact. Russia has not been trying to destabilize the county since 2000.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:5,000 troops is no intervention by themselves. Rumsfeld tried to invade Iraq with the bare minimum and it still took half a million soldiers. That 5K if deployed might be a show of force, or part of an initial buildup towards an eventual intervention, but they're not invading anywhere by themselves. The goalposts have now moved from "no troops, no intervention" to "only 5,000 troops, still no intervention." Kennedy sent 400 "advisors" to South Vietnam in 1961, in your opinion did that count as an intervention or not intervention?
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Are Troops are so powerful they can intervene in Venezuela from a legal pad in Washington. Pls ignore actual imperialist troops in Venezuela they are on vacation to see cathedral.
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This is ridiculous... How far do things have to go before this thread stops insisting there's no intervention?? (I know the answer is there's no limit... You'll be having troops in Caracas installing an austerity regime and posters will still insist there's no intervention and it's just humanitarian aid or something, and that it's reprehensible to believe that it could ever turn into an intervention or try to do anything prevent it before it actually really happens for real, and besides, maduro is worse, etc...) Bob le Moche fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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Odd that the U.N. special rapporteur doesn’t blame the starvation and hunger in Venezuela on Russia or Maduro but instead on the US. However both sides m I rite?!?!?!
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Are Troops are so powerful they can intervene in Venezuela from a legal pad in Washington. You're gonna eat so much crow by the time this is over
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Presenting Nipples posted:The US is doing a complete economic blockade of the country... The above is, like, false?
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Chomskyan posted:You're gonna eat so much crow by the time this is over
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There are several thousand rather significant details missing in between these two things. Nevermind the glaring elements of time and place.
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Are we getting to the point of preemptively bragging how owned people will be when a situation they have zero control over may possibly get even worse, including the full on deaths of thousands if not more?
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ChaseSP posted:Are we getting to the point of preemptively bragging how owned people will be when a situation they have zero control over may possibly get even worse, including the full on deaths of thousands if not more? They came to the thread already past that point.
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