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Femtosecond posted:Vancouver's socialist Coalition of Progressive Electors councillor Jean Swanson joined with the arch-NIMBY Councillor Hardwick in voting against a motion to support the proposed Skytrain to UBC. That this vote came after an impassioned speech at the public hearing by a UBC area Safeway manager who described how hard it was for her low wage earning workers to commute into work with the existing insufficient bus is incredible. Swanson has betrayed the workers that voted for her and discredited herself. God drat it, and I voted for her too.
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cowofwar posted:Sorry do you mean the forest with three roads, a golf course, and mansions through it currently enjoyed only by wealthy single family homeowners? Dude there is a ton more undeveloped than built.  Way better to focus first on rezoning the seas of SFH instead of taking down our last remaining urban forests.
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The Butcher posted:Dude there is a ton more undeveloped than built. Also is improving access by the rest of Vancouver to this forest public good not desirable?
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MikeSevigny posted:So now that the byelection is called and I can breathe again... how the hell did Mainstreet get the Liberals by THIRTEEN? In Nanaimo! Even they didn’t seem to believe their own poll. There's a story going around that they polled only Vancouver residents. I thought it was bullshit but it might explain a lot... MikeSevigny posted:Edit: also the Georgia Strait called it for the Liberals, lol Hypothesis confirmed! Somebody needs to torque back on their use of legal weed in the workplace.
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https://twitter.com/quito_maggi/status/1090873440301572096 On the one hand he's right that it's v hard to do reliable riding polls but it's also very much the case that nobody is forcing him to take and publish them.
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cowofwar posted:Building the skytrain halfway to UBc is the dumbest loving idea. Build it the whole way and then upzone the poo poo out of that area. Transit needs to connect urban centres, a line the full way would do that, terminating the line at Arbutus does would be awful. I would take the skytrain to my job at UBC if it went all the way; if I had to get off and transfer on to a bus then gently caress that I’m still driving. My favourite example of this is the Shanghai Airport maglev train. It's a multi billion dollar train, goes 400 km/h at it's peak speed and shuttles you to the airport in 10 minutes. Pretty cool. But it only goes to the outskirts of the city so it barely gets used by travellers because transferring trains and navigating the Shanghai subway with luggage would be loving terrible. When I went on it in 2006 it was about 10% full, and 4/5 people on it were tourists. Maybe it's more popular now but yeesh. e: found a 2012 article saying that people guess it's typically at 20% capacity, nevermind! CRISPYBABY fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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The UCP are such whiny assholes. And Nenshi’s joining in on the fun now! https://twitter.com/660news/status/1090983822177390593?s=21
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PT6A posted:Khadr isn't not a Canadian soldier. He was both a soldier, and a Canadian, so I see no understanding of the English language where it's inaccurate to call him a Canadian soldier unless of course you dispute the notion he was a soldier at all. I believe he was a child soldier, thus placing him in the larger category of soldiers overall. PT6A sometimes might seem contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, but in this case I think he and James Baud (shudder) are right. The user who did the edit appears to be running a machine learning algorithm to tag Wikipedia entries, and in this specific case, it mistakenly tagged Khadr's page as "Canadian soldier" before that was corrected. It was later retagged as just "soldier", which is arguably right, but Google still had the old indexing data and conflated it back to "Canadian soldier". https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/omar-khadr-google-search-knowledge-graph-scheer-russia-1.4999775 As thorough as the IRA might be with its trolling, planting a long time bulk editing script with the sole purpose of being a cryptotroll is giving them 4D chess level of credit. It's a far more likely explanation that this is just machine learning algorithms reinforcing existing bias. It just so happens that this particular case happens to align perfectly into a dog whistle for Conservative outrage. Really, the concern here (besides algorithm threatening the fabric of democracy) is that Conservatives are so busy trying to ape US Republicans in their moral outrage by blowing things way out of proportion in order to distract their voter base from issues that actually matter... And it's working. Jan fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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quote:According to discussions between Ghuron and other Wikidata members, Ghuron runs a script which uses machine learning to automatically add and modify large volumes of Wikidata data (for example, a person's occupation). Basically, it's designed to put data into buckets. I feel like this article was targeted to Conservatives based on the first-grade-level tone
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xtal posted:I feel like this article was targeted to Conservatives based on the first-grade-level tone But where do they get the buckets? Are my tax dollars paying for this?
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cowofwar posted:Why would building a transit link necessitate development of the UEL? Approval of a skytrain line isn't approval of development which has been shut down multiple times. Development generally concentrates around stations as well and there wouldn't be one put in the forest. Yep improving access is the huge win for Vancouverites here. Right now for someone way out in East Van, UBC and all the various amenities around it is like some far off city, disconnected from the rest of Vancouver and a pain to get to. Look on the map and you can see the features that would become easily accessible: The Museum of Anthropology, the Biodiversity Museum, the huuuuge regional park, Jericho Beach. Also there's a hospital out there too! Even if you aren't a UBC student or worker this is a great move that opens up a big chunk of the City of Vancouver to more people. Jericho is a huge feature of this skytrain extension. Not only is there the beach and park there that's a great amenity to justify a stop, but also the "Jericho Hill Grounds" marked on that map were recently purchased by the local First Nations from the Federal Government with plans to develop those lands. It's likely in the future that there will be some Olympic Village-esque neighbourhood on that big chunk of greenfield land that holds thousands of people. The thing about development is that council of course still controls development. Any sort of public transit investment, even if it was just a streetcar, would incentivize redevelopment, but "towers for millionaires" is only an inevitable conclusion if city council approves those projects. It's well within the power of Vancouver city council to leverage development fees, CACs and create some new land value tax to build publicly owned affordable housing here.
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For someone headed to Vancouver for the first time next month, when I looked at the map the UBC campus did seem strangely disconnected from rapid transit because for a tourist the museums are obvious choices. Then again, here in Toronto the Zoo and the Science Centre are not exactly tourist-friendly for taking transit, either. The new Eglinton line will help with the latter, though.
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I can't believe how close the Nanaimo election was. I was having such anxiety over the whole thing, can't imagine the BC Liberals getting back in after how much of their blatant criminal government has been exposed. Then again, "fast ferries". God BC electors are dumb as poo poo.
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I think Nanaimo voters have some reasonable reasons to be pissed at the NDP! Not only did the sitting MLA quit one year into his term because he decided he’d rather be mayor than the job he ran for, their sitting NDP MP decided she’d rather be an MLA than an MP and is leaving the federal riding without an MP for seven months. It’s a dumb game of musical chairs that could have just been avoided entirely.
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PT6A posted:The UCP are such whiny assholes. And Nenshi’s joining in on the fun now! It does unfairly target Albertans though. They can't qualify due to their debt penchant for trucks 'n toys because their TDS will always be over 50%
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Making an exception to my self imposed no posting in canpol rule because this news is too good to not share with everybody. Supreme Court of Canada says bankrupt energy companies must clean up old oil, gas wells before paying off creditors Get hosed Canadian oil industry.
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EvilJoven posted:Making an exception to my self imposed no posting in canpol rule because this news is too good to not share with everybody. They should also put the weight on the companies paying for the exploration. Once there's word of a company going under, they usually stop getting paid, meaning there's very little to recover for anybody. e: crown is asking for a 10 year sentence with another 10 year driving ban for the driver in the humbolt crash. He apparently fudged his log books pretty bad.
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Oil companies should need to pay into a fund for cleanup as they go, something like a damage deposit for the environment. But that would be a war on job creation.
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EvilJoven posted:Making an exception to my self imposed no posting in canpol rule because this news is too good to not share with everybody. I didn't know you'd left.
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Baronjutter posted:Oil companies should need to pay into a fund for cleanup as they go, something like a damage deposit for the environment. But that would be a war on job creation. lol the lawyers for the oil company agree with you quote:In its filings, ATB Financial suggested the fault lies with Alberta’s regulatory system, which unlike other jurisdictions, doesn’t require upfront bonds to cover cleanup costs. At the time it went bankrupt, the AER hadn’t required Redwater to post any financial security.
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second lol because Alberta is the worst quote:In November, a joint investigation involving the Star found the cost of cleaning up Alberta’s oil and gas wells could reach $100 billion. So far, the AER has collected $200 million in security.
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Has anyone seen a design document outlining why the skytrain to UBC is being planned as underground the entire way. A lot of that route is fairly low density with wide streets so it seems like a elevated guideway would be possible like used elsewhere over most of the system at a much lower cost per km. My gut feeling is of course its because it one of the wealthiest parts of the lower mainland and we can't possibly put noisy trains above ground there but maybe there is a technical reason. EDIT: Found the actual document https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Do...rail_to_ubc.pdf It seems they are considering at grade / elevated west of Blanca but are saying its too dense to have the tunnel come out anywhere east of Blanca. So maybe its not rich NIMBYs 
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-health-system-efficiency-act-1.5000546quote:The Ontario NDP says it has obtained a draft of a government bill that would dissolve the province's Local Health Integration Networks and create a "super agency" to oversee the health system. lmfao. Worked for Alberta https://www.macleans.ca/politics/health-care-superboard-is-superbad-in-alberta/ quote:Alberta’s doctors have been in open revolt against the centralized system, saying it has led to ballooning wait times and emergency rooms on the verge of what one internal report warned was “catastrophic collapse.” It went so poorly in Alberta, it was the PC government who decided to go back to the old system before the NDP even got elected. Dougie is smart enough to make it work though.
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Powershift posted:https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-health-system-efficiency-act-1.5000546 Well, the first hints of it made me queasy, this is straight up making me nauseated thinking about it. Goddamn, it's like he's trying to run the government on Lean, something that has been proven as a bad idea in businesses already.
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mashed_penguin posted:Has anyone seen a design document outlining why the skytrain to UBC is being planned as underground the entire way. A lot of that route is fairly low density with wide streets so it seems like a elevated guideway would be possible like used elsewhere over most of the system at a much lower cost per km. Table 14-5 in there says tunnelling all the way to UBC only costs $150M more than going elevated west of Blanca, which doesn't seem an unreasonable expense considering it will be running down a pretty narrow and dense street of 3-5 story buildings that front right on the street, rather than running past larger towers that are mostly well set back from the street like with Evergreen. Also $150M is probably worth it if only to avoid 2 additional years of delays from everyone on the west side freaking the gently caress out.
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CRISPYBABY posted:My favourite example of this is the Shanghai Airport maglev train. It's a multi billion dollar train, goes 400 km/h at it's peak speed and shuttles you to the airport in 10 minutes. Pretty cool. But it only goes to the outskirts of the city so it barely gets used by travellers because transferring trains and navigating the Shanghai subway with luggage would be loving terrible. The skytrain to UBC is pretty much the opposite of that though, it would be a valid analogy if someone was proposing building skytrain from UBC to Arbutus only, and then making people transfer onto buses to get into the city centre. The already funded train is running through the city centre, it just isn't funded yet to run through a relatively low density neighbourhood out to UBC. The existing 99 bus route is often thought of of "the bus to UBC", but the majority of people who use it get off by Arbutus, and only a minority continues to UBC. There is (in theory) plenty of capacity on the 99 from Arbutus to UBC. It would still be great to get it built all the way out there though, the list of public transit infrastructure that's ever been built that doesn't end up being a good investment is pretty small.
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Speaking of low vote counts, I was looking at the Alberta Communist Party on Wikipedia yesterday. Their leader has been running in every single provincial and federal election since 1982 and picks up 50 or so votes per shot. She doesn't seem much better at recruiting candidates, but once upon a time they actually did get green party levels of support across the province.
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Apparently Kenney wants to drop mortgage stress tests to make it easier for Albertans to get into debt. The Kenney government is going to be AMAZING.Baronjutter posted:I can't believe how close the Nanaimo election was. I was having such anxiety over the whole thing, can't imagine the BC Liberals getting back in after how much of their blatant criminal government has been exposed. Then again, "fast ferries". God BC electors are dumb as poo poo. It turned out about the same margin as you’d expect for the riding, with the green support evaporating towards the other parties. I think everyone was just on edge because it’s BC and... you know.
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MikeSevigny posted:Apparently Kenney wants to drop mortgage stress tests to make it easier for Albertans to get into debt. The Kenney government is going to be AMAZING. The cracks are starting to show in the UCP, with King Kenney ruling from the top, and all the "grassroots" ex-wildrose nutjobs feeling shut out. The chance of the NDP keeping power has tripled, from 0.1% to 0.3%. It would be great to see a UCP collapse right before the election, but with robber barons already spending millions on anti-NDP ads, chances are they would completely collapse, start to eat each other and still win.
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While back I said I gave up and thought the production cut would be Notley's Rae Days but incredibly I'm still holding out hope for AB. John Horgan best premier; Rachel Notley second best premier, in a smaller font, in Jokerman font.
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THC posted:While back I said I gave up and thought the production cut would be Notley's Rae Days but incredibly I'm still holding out hope for AB. John Horgan best premier; Rachel Notley second best premier, in a smaller font, in Jokerman font. Doug ford, participation ribbon, in comic sans
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Powershift posted:It would be great to see a UCP collapse right before the election, but with robber barons already spending millions on anti-NDP ads, chances are they would completely collapse, start to eat each other and still win. This is pretty much what happened in Ontario. PCPO still wound up with a majority.
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hoping to see the BC Liberal party in full collapse mode by 2020  https://twitter.com/keithbaldrey/status/1091038600995786752
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Powershift posted:It would be great to see a UCP collapse right before the election, but with robber barons already spending millions on anti-NDP ads, chances are they would completely collapse, start to eat each other and still win. I don’t think anything could make people not vote them in. Graft and criminality are fake news and anything the NDP says is either a lie or ignored. The NDP is more throaty about pipeline support than any government in history and most people are still mumbling “punt the oval office” to themselves as they pound Black Ice at noon because Cenovus needed an extra cent per share delivered to shareholders. In Calgary I’m not entirely sure it’s safe for NDP volunteers to door knock. At least not alone.
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THC posted:hoping to see the BC Liberal party in full collapse mode by 2020 How many of em gonna run federal this October now? BC might be having alot of byelections.
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Syfe posted:Well, the first hints of it made me queasy, this is straight up making me nauseated thinking about it. Conservative playbook, break the system, sell it to private industry.
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apatheticman posted:Conservative playbook, break the system, sell it to private industry. I still don't have a Driver's Licence thanks to DriveTest, it's a very long story, but not very unique I understand it. gently caress Mike Harris. I also know that's it's poo poo to take tests now, as a result of needing to make a profit they don't staff themselves nearly well enough. You need to take off almost a whole day just to do anything with Drive Test in many places. It's an inefficient piece of poo poo and most private business that takes over government work are just poo poo. So why do we have to act like private business is an efficient way to do it when the opposite is in fact true.
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Syfe posted:So why do we have to act like private business is an efficient way to do it when the opposite is in fact true. Because the Liberals and Conservatives are not that different and the NDP doesn't care to challenge the narrative.
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Syfe posted:I still don't have a Driver's Licence thanks to DriveTest, it's a very long story, but not very unique I understand it. gently caress Mike Harris. Privatization being more "efficient" is one of those lies that's so incredibly easy to debunk with even a moment's thought that it's amazing people ever buy into it at all. Any private business needs to run a profit, that's the whole point of the private sector. Which means there's always going to be some percentage of their income that's not going back into improving services but rather just lining some executive's pocket. Privatization just adds an extra layer of expenses for no benefit to service.
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