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The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

The Montreal Gazette posted:

GATINEAU — Premier François Legault has ruled out the idea of having a national day against Islamophobia in Quebec.

Two days after his Public Security Minister Geneviève Guilbault said the government would discuss the possibility, Legault Thursday slammed the door shut.

“Geneviève was cautious and said we’d look at this,” Legault said at a news conference wrapping up a two-day caucus of Coalition Avenir Québec MNAs in Gatineau.

“We looked at this. There won’t be one.”

Asked why, Legault answered: “I don’t think there is Islamophobia in Quebec, so I don’t see why there would be a day devoted to Islamophobia.”

We did it, everyone, we eliminated islamophobia. :shepface:

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cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

vyelkin posted:

lol the lawyers for the oil company agree with you

Well of course.

Blame government for absence of fund.
Lobby government against creation of fund.

Industry wins again.

Scorchy
Jul 15, 2006

Smug Statement: Elementary, my dear meatbag.

Femtosecond posted:

Vancouver's socialist Coalition of Progressive Electors councillor Jean Swanson joined with the arch-NIMBY Councillor Hardwick in voting against a motion to support the proposed Skytrain to UBC. That this vote came after an impassioned speech at the public hearing by a UBC area Safeway manager who described how hard it was for her low wage earning workers to commute into work with the existing insufficient bus is incredible. Swanson has betrayed the workers that voted for her and discredited herself.

https://twitter.com/fabulavancouver/status/1090786274477203456

Her argument was, "Buses are fine, we should just have more buses, also let's do more studies".

(that road is literally at max capacity for buses, is the busiest route in North America, and has been studied to death)

Wasn't she suppose to be some uber progressive, jeez.

ARACHTION
Mar 10, 2012

THC posted:

hoping to see the BC Liberal party in full collapse mode by 2020 :getin:

https://twitter.com/keithbaldrey/status/1091038600995786752

Let’s take bets on which party they take over this time for a rebrand.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

The Dark One posted:

national day against Islamophobia in Quebec

I feel like this would be the most passive aggressive thing ever, let's do it.

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Real Estate bidding wars, what a good idea.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/real-estate-offers-disclose-bidding-wars-1.5000474

Ah yes, let's give someone in a position of authority the ability to make a lot more money by lieing to the other parties they are dealing with. Surely, that won't be abused in any way, and we can trust these people to regulate themselves fairly and without bias.

Get hosed.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

ARACHTION posted:

Let’s take bets on which party they take over this time for a rebrand.

BC Conservatives is ripe for the taking.

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene

Syfe posted:

I still don't have a Driver's Licence thanks to DriveTest, it's a very long story, but not very unique I understand it. gently caress Mike Harris.

I also know that's it's poo poo to take tests now, as a result of needing to make a profit they don't staff themselves nearly well enough. You need to take off almost a whole day just to do anything with Drive Test in many places. It's an inefficient piece of poo poo and most private business that takes over government work are just poo poo.

So why do we have to act like private business is an efficient way to do it when the opposite is in fact true.

DriveTest is insanely garbage and I was blown away this year that it took me four trips there to get my Alberta license transferred into an Ontario one, each one being a multi-hour visit. The first time I showed up 3 hours before closing on a Saturday and was told they probably wouldn't have time to see me. The second time I waited an hour before realizing I didn't have my passport (ok this one was my fault). The third time I waited for two hours before they yelled out that the provincial transfer system was down...and had been all morning. Of course, that didn't stop them from having machines that still handed out waiting tickets for it, or for them putting up any signs saying that it was down. I asked them why they didn't just put up a sign and they looked at me like I was stupid and told me they weren't allowed. Apparently I whined enough that they gave me a coupon to come back and skip the line next time, so I finally got things done in a reasonable time on the fourth trip. You know, for a 30 second eyetest and a photograph.

You can't go into the Kitchener Drivetest without waiting at least an hour, probably much more. It's one of the "take a whole day off" locations. They will literally have hour lineups at opening because people line up so far before it opens. I don't know how anyone in this province gets a license.

My personal pet peeve is: public or private. loving pick one. Ontario seems to like these things (DriveTest, Beer Store) where they license a private company to be the single distributor of an item or service, and surprise, a private monopoly does some bullshit. Either run it as a public service, or let some competition in. Right now it's the worst of both worlds. Alberta's DMV's are....well, they're still DMV's, but they're about 10x faster than DriveTest.

quote:

The city of Red Deer, for example, has a population of 100,000 and four registry offices. If one is crowded, customers can simply go down the road to another.

Waterloo Region, with over 500,000 residents, has just one, over-crowded DriveTest centre full of unhappy people.

Quote from a local grumpy opinion piece. Our centre is insanely bad. I think 2/3 times I was there waiting I was sitting beside someone mumbling swears under their breath. I hope to never have to go to it again.

CRISPYBABY fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Feb 1, 2019

MatchaZed
Feb 14, 2010

We Can Do It!


CRISPYBABY posted:

DriveTest is insanely garbage and I was blown away this year that it took me four trips there to get my Alberta license transferred into an Ontario one, each one being a multi-hour visit. The first time I showed up 3 hours before closing on a Saturday and was told they probably wouldn't have time to see me. The second time I waited an hour before realizing I didn't have my passport (ok this one was my fault). The third time I waited for two hours before they yelled out that the provincial transfer system was down...and had been all morning. Of course, that didn't stop them from having machines that still handed out waiting tickets for it, or for them putting up any signs saying that it was down. I asked them why they didn't just put up a sign and they looked at me like I was stupid and told me they weren't allowed. Apparently I whined enough that they gave me a coupon to come back and skip the line next time, so I finally got things done in a reasonable time on the fourth trip. You know, for a 30 second eyetest and a photograph.

You can't go into the Kitchener Drivetest without waiting at least an hour, probably much more. It's one of the "take a whole day off" locations. They will literally have hour lineups at opening because people line up so far before it opens. I don't know how anyone in this province gets a license.

My personal pet peeve is: public or private. loving pick one. Ontario seems to like these things (DriveTest, Beer Store) where they license a private company to be the single distributor of an item or service, and surprise, a private monopoly does some bullshit. Either run it as a public service, or let some competition in. Right now it's the worst of both worlds. Alberta's DMV's are....well, they're still DMV's, but they're about 10x faster than DriveTest.


Quote from a local grumpy opinion piece. Our centre is insanely bad. I think 2/3 times I was there I was sitting beside someone mumbling swears under their breath. I hope to never have to go to it again.

Getting my G1 there and taking the test in that alcove off of the lobby sucked poo poo, not excited to go back.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Ontario is bravely leading the country to a privatized healthcare.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/31/leaked-document-privatization-health-care/

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Sep 9, 2022

MikeSevigny
Aug 6, 2002

Habs 2006: Cristobal Persuasion

THC posted:

hoping to see the BC Liberal party in full collapse mode by 2020 :getin:

https://twitter.com/keithbaldrey/status/1091038600995786752

I feel like mass turnover in the Liberal party actually helps them, especially if the turnover is mostly veteran MLAs who were around for all of their last reign. Christy lost a lot of people in 2013 (like Kevin Falcon, or that guy who mysteriously got his old managerial job back at ICBC whose name I don't remember but he was a dipshit) and it seemed to freshen the party up a little, put the new leader's stamp on it. Now in this case, Andrew Wilkinson IS one of those old MLAs, so that's a problem. But combine a bunch of new, younger candidates with his current "we're going to be incredibly transparent about everything we do starting... right now" push might work for him, especially if the media decides to agree that all the Liberal scandals aren't the fault of this sexy new BC Liberal party that probably doesn't talk to Rich Coleman much anymore, as far as you know.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

The Cheshire Cat posted:

Privatization being more "efficient" is one of those lies that's so incredibly easy to debunk with even a moment's thought that it's amazing people ever buy into it at all. Any private business needs to run a profit, that's the whole point of the private sector. Which means there's always going to be some percentage of their income that's not going back into improving services but rather just lining some executive's pocket. Privatization just adds an extra layer of expenses for no benefit to service.

This is the part that's "efficient" :ssh:

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

MikeSevigny posted:

I feel like mass turnover in the Liberal party actually helps them, especially if the turnover is mostly veteran MLAs who were around for all of their last reign. Christy lost a lot of people in 2013 (like Kevin Falcon, or that guy who mysteriously got his old managerial job back at ICBC whose name I don't remember but he was a dipshit) and it seemed to freshen the party up a little, put the new leader's stamp on it. Now in this case, Andrew Wilkinson IS one of those old MLAs, so that's a problem. But combine a bunch of new, younger candidates with his current "we're going to be incredibly transparent about everything we do starting... right now" push might work for him, especially if the media decides to agree that all the Liberal scandals aren't the fault of this sexy new BC Liberal party that probably doesn't talk to Rich Coleman much anymore, as far as you know.

Looking forward to next young Liberal MLA that doesn’t use computers or email because he’s a farmer or whatever and not because it eliminates paper trails.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
its fun to troll people irl

Somebody fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 9, 2022

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene

WilliamAnderson posted:

Getting my G1 there and taking the test in that alcove off of the lobby sucked poo poo, not excited to go back.

Good luck and godspeed.

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

CRISPYBABY posted:

DriveTest is insanely garbage and I was blown away this year that it took me four trips there to get my Alberta license transferred into an Ontario one, each one being a multi-hour visit. The first time I showed up 3 hours before closing on a Saturday and was told they probably wouldn't have time to see me. The second time I waited an hour before realizing I didn't have my passport (ok this one was my fault). The third time I waited for two hours before they yelled out that the provincial transfer system was down...and had been all morning. Of course, that didn't stop them from having machines that still handed out waiting tickets for it, or for them putting up any signs saying that it was down. I asked them why they didn't just put up a sign and they looked at me like I was stupid and told me they weren't allowed. Apparently I whined enough that they gave me a coupon to come back and skip the line next time, so I finally got things done in a reasonable time on the fourth trip. You know, for a 30 second eyetest and a photograph.

You can't go into the Kitchener Drivetest without waiting at least an hour, probably much more. It's one of the "take a whole day off" locations. They will literally have hour lineups at opening because people line up so far before it opens. I don't know how anyone in this province gets a license.

My personal pet peeve is: public or private. loving pick one. Ontario seems to like these things (DriveTest, Beer Store) where they license a private company to be the single distributor of an item or service, and surprise, a private monopoly does some bullshit. Either run it as a public service, or let some competition in. Right now it's the worst of both worlds. Alberta's DMV's are....well, they're still DMV's, but they're about 10x faster than DriveTest.


Quote from a local grumpy opinion piece. Our centre is insanely bad. I think 2/3 times I was there waiting I was sitting beside someone mumbling swears under their breath. I hope to never have to go to it again.

Psst: the problem isn't that DriveTest is bad, it's that licensing is bad. I can tell you that more public ownership would not help DriveTest, given the public part is why you're forced to go there to begin with.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

xtal posted:

Psst: the problem isn't that DriveTest is bad, it's that licensing is bad.

Please explain.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

MA-Horus posted:

Please explain.

It's xtal, so I'm guessing the answer is "without a state anyone would be free to drive a car from the age they're old enough to reach the pedals"

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

vyelkin posted:

It's xtal, so I'm guessing the answer is "without a state anyone would be free to drive a car from the age they're old enough to reach the pedals"

I don't think it's a matter of freedom, because a licensing system would probably be good for us overall in some cases. As an individual I wouldn't want to drive a car without knowing I was capable. The issue is just that it presently can only happen in centralized ways, which are invariably dumb as gently caress. I'd take my chances with the kid in a car rather than go to ServiceOntario. Maybe there's a way to solve the problem that doesn't involve them.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

xtal posted:

I don't think it's a matter of freedom, because a licensing system would probably be good for us overall in some cases. As an individual I wouldn't want to drive a car without knowing I was capable. The issue is just that it presently can only happen in centralized ways, which are invariably dumb as gently caress. I'd take my chances with the kid in a car rather than go to ServiceOntario. Maybe there's a way to solve the problem that doesn't involve them.

Brilliant, we could have car simulators in arcades and require you earn a certain level of in-game achievements before we let you drive, and you'd have to log in to your car (inc. biometrics) to drive.

Except... What entity would enforce this requirement on the cars?

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Studies show that the three tier graduated licensing system in Ontario does actually reduce accidents. However, the main reason is it keeps idiot teens off the highway longer, not due to any advantage in training.

They really should make it so once you hit 25 you can skip the G2 stage or something.

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene

xtal posted:

Psst: the problem isn't that DriveTest is bad, it's that licensing is bad. I can tell you that more public ownership would not help DriveTest, given the public part is why you're forced to go there to begin with.

Or maybe we could just have a licensing system with wait times that arent measured in half days. If only there was a province that achieved this metric.......

The issue is that even among the low standards of bureaucratic licensing organizations, DriveTest is ludicrously bad. There's probably an infinite amount of licensing services run better than it that you could look to as examples.

CRISPYBABY fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Feb 1, 2019

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Studies show that the three tier graduated licensing system in Ontario does actually reduce accidents. However, the main reason is it keeps idiot teens off the highway longer, not due to any advantage in training.

They really should make it so once you hit 25 you can skip the G2 stage or something.

I got my licence late in life and yeah it would have been nice to go straight to the G exam. The BAC limits I can accept but the other restrictions are silly for a fully grown adult.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

vyelkin posted:

It's xtal, so I'm guessing the answer is "without a state anyone would be free to drive a car from the age they're old enough to reach the pedals"

ug it'd be like biking and we know how safe that is, they're constantly swerving in front of cars

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




Lobok posted:

I got my licence late in life and yeah it would have been nice to go straight to the G exam. The BAC limits I can accept but the other restrictions are silly for a fully grown adult.

The only other restriction is that all your passengers have seatbelts. Like, that's literally it for a G2 licence. What other restrictions are you talking about?

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


TrueChaos posted:

The only other restriction is that all your passengers have seatbelts. Like, that's literally it for a G2 licence. What other restrictions are you talking about?

There are others if you're 19 or under in terms of number of other passengers you can have in your car who are also 19 or under.

But yeah no drinking and driving is pretty much the only practical restriction with the G2.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Licenses should be way harder to get, require periodic re-testing, and be much easier to lose along with increasingly long suspensions.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

TrueChaos posted:

The only other restriction is that all your passengers have seatbelts. Like, that's literally it for a G2 licence. What other restrictions are you talking about?

G1 and G2. Mr Luxury Yacht mentioned skipping the G2 part but I mean skipping more of them in general. G1 is supposed to be for training but like he says, it's really more about just not having drunk teenagers partying on the road. To get a licence later in life, especially for someone who might need it for work (not me but I can sympathize) the full suite of restrictions and waiting periods from the day you take your written exam to being handed a full G is a bit excessive once you're in your late 20s and beyond. Driving isn't that hard. And for someone who lives downtown and learned driving downtown it's funny to me that during the G1 period they don't want you going on the highway because it's more dangerous. Like I get that it's more dangerous than sleepy suburban roads but for me the highway is a welcome relief from city driving.

Baronjutter posted:

Licenses should [...] require periodic re-testing, and be much easier to lose along with increasingly long suspensions.

I do agree with this, though.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
driving might not be hard in of itself, but a lot of people seem to enjoy choosing hardmode driving where you spend half the time texting.

also a lot of people have terrible driving habits.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Dreylad posted:

driving might not be hard in of itself, but a lot of people seem to enjoy choosing hardmode driving where you spend half the time texting.

also a lot of people have terrible driving habits.

If anyone's curious, a few years ago they completed a massive naturalistic driving study in the US where they recorded a couple thousand people as they drove over a year and a half. Some papers have come out using the data to look at what was the risk factors leading to crashes/near crashes

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295673760_Driver_crash_risk_factors_and_prevalence_evaluation_using_naturalistic_driving_data

The results are pretty interesting. Talking on the phone while driving is not that much more dangerous than just talking to a passenger but driving while sad or angry is actually more dangerous than texting while driving.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1091427360337993728

Shocking news: Bombardier still can't figure out how to build Flexity Freedom vehicles

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

infernal machines posted:

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1091427360337993728

Shocking news: Bombardier still can't figure out how to build Flexity Freedom vehicles

I could have sworn she was going to let me kick the football this time!

Capri Sunrise
May 16, 2008

Elephants are mammals of the family Elephantidae and the largest existing land animals. Three species are currently recognised: the African bush elephant, the African forest elephant, and the Asian elephant.

infernal machines posted:

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1091427360337993728

Shocking news: Bombardier still can't figure out how to build Flexity Freedom vehicles

Why would anyone stuck living in thunder bay have any incentive to ever care about anything let alone something as complex as this

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
...are we sure that Bombardier is actually capable of manufacturing things anymore?

Have they executed a single thing correctly and without significant outside assistance in the past decade?

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

PT6A posted:

Have they executed a single thing correctly and without significant outside assistance in the past decade?

My faith in Canadian manufacturing.

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

There are others if you're 19 or under in terms of number of other passengers you can have in your car who are also 19 or under.

But yeah no drinking and driving is pretty much the only practical restriction with the G2.

Yeah he was mentioning as an adult so I ignored the 19 and under restrictions.

I'm fine with the G1 restrictions (and honestly think that it should be more difficult than it currently is - take a look at Germany's licence requirements). As an inexperienced driver you're way, way more likely to be in an accident. Keeping people without experience off the highway (where, while it's certainly less stressful than downtown Toronto, should you get in an accident it's likely to be far, far worse) is definitely a good thing, as is the requirement to have a fully licensed driver beside you.

So many people don't have a clue what to do when something goes wrong as it is, inexperience makes that even worse.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Haha. BC still onboard. 54° 40' or fight!

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Imagine if you split BC into the lower mainland/island, and the rest of the province. I bet that'd look a bit different.

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Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

TrueChaos posted:

Keeping people without experience off the highway (where, while it's certainly less stressful than downtown Toronto, should you get in an accident it's likely to be far, far worse) is definitely a good thing, as is the requirement to have a fully licensed driver beside you.

Worse for who, though? I don't know if an apples to apples comparison can really be done but I'm not totally convinced that highway driving is that much more dangerous considering our pedestrian and cyclist death tallies every year in the city. Driving on a 100 km/h road with no pedestrians is restricted in one part of graduated licensing but driving in the city with plenty of people to hit at totally legal and just-as-lethal speeds of 50-60 km/h is allowed.

Edit: Anyway, my main gripe with the system when I was older was what felt like waiting for waiting's sake. With an apprenticeship or pilots licence you advance as you clock more hours but as someone without a car the vast majority of the time spent between my written test and final exam was just waiting. There was no appreciable increase in skill or comfort that I gained that I couldn't also have gained in a fraction of the time.

Lobok fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Feb 2, 2019

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