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Or we let go of the nuclear stupidity and go for renewable energy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rex-Goliath posted:100% agreed but i absolutely do not trust international shipping companies to run nuclear reactors without causing massive ecological harm all shipping should be nationalized, because you aren't going to get them to slap solar panels and sails on anything without nationalizing them so why not just chose the best option. We already have a service that makes extremely robust nuclear reactors for doing ocean poo poo
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Feb 5, 2019 03:56
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Lambert posted:Or we let go of the nuclear stupidity and go for renewable energy. Botes don't have enough surface area ya dingus
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Feb 5, 2019 03:57
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thanks for dragging my rear end to the appropriate level of savviness, the dipshit, i had no idea that existed edit: the romans used archimedes' screw-based, slave-powered wooden pumps to drain their mines  they werent mining coal tho
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Feb 5, 2019 04:11
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Lambert posted:Or we let go of the nuclear stupidity and go for renewable energy. I have some unfortunate news concerning renewable energy and land rights
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Feb 5, 2019 04:17
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a gigantic nuclear powered floating train across the pacific
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Feb 5, 2019 04:19
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pneumatic tubes everywhere edit for... content? the musk thread says tesla could be eligible for incorporation into the s&p 500 in a few months or whatever, if they keep being profitable or some such thing. what kind of a dent would it make in The Better Of The Two Numbers Anybody Knows About if/when tsla collapses after it gets in? oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Feb 5, 2019 |
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Feb 5, 2019 04:20
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:a gigantic nuclear powered floating train across the pacific importing anime by train, nothing can possibly go wrong with this.
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Feb 5, 2019 04:35
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:a gigantic nuclear powered floating train across the pacific i unironically can't wait for the central planning committee to be half train obsessed goons
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Feb 5, 2019 04:41
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what is a boat but a train for water
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Feb 5, 2019 04:44
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:a gigantic nuclear powered floating train across the pacific yeah i love one piece  a sea train in every port
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Feb 5, 2019 05:01
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Rastor posted:it's pumping mostly water with some soap and some nasty chemicals deep into the ground so that the pressure cracks the shale and sand. If there’s nothing the hold the cracks open when the pressure stops, it’ll close right back up again.
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Feb 5, 2019 05:11
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qkkl posted:I've been thinking about this lately and came to the conclusion that it's not a bad thing. Without government subsidization, private corporations would never invest money into finding a cure/treatment for very rare diseases because the total cost of the research divided by the number of patients would require the cost to be too high for the patients in order for the corporations to break even. This drug in particular was invented decades ago and was free for decades in short your brain might be borked
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Feb 5, 2019 06:07
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https://twitter.com/annalecta/status/1092667886064361472?s=19
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Feb 5, 2019 14:39
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Since I didn't see a post about yesterday's Auto sales data, it came in low (16.7m vs 17.2m expected) and is down from 17.55 last year.
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Feb 5, 2019 15:16
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Lambert posted:Or we let go of the nuclear stupidity and go for renewable energy. Nuclear is cool and good and while I don't think you deserved a 6er for that, I do think you're an idiot that should defend your bad take.
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Feb 5, 2019 15:17
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Also lmao germany wants to buy a bunch of shares of German company stocks but have them be nonvoting because Chinese firms are just buying companies and selling all of their parents to Chinese companies.
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Feb 5, 2019 15:21
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Literally just spending public money on a direct handout to a corporation to defend that corporation from capitalism. Lmao lol heh laffo
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Feb 5, 2019 15:22
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Skyl3lazer posted:Since I didn't see a post about yesterday's Auto sales data, it came in low (16.7m vs 17.2m expected) and is down from 17.55 last year. Seriously can I get a link? I'm having trouble finding this.
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Feb 5, 2019 15:33
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Xelkelvos posted:Nuclear is cool and good and while I don't think you deserved a 6er for that, I do think you're an idiot that should defend your bad take. nuclear is dumb because every modern reactor has been an insanely expensive boondoggle that bankrupts everyone, despite tons of federal money having been dumped into it. and the electricity is delivers is only cheap in cost if you just pretend the construction costs never happened (these take decades to pay off) when you have some states getting up to 40-50% of their energy from wind/solar with significantly less investment, you have to question if nuclear is really worth it at this point
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Feb 5, 2019 15:41
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SKULL.GIF posted:Seriously can I get a link? I'm having trouble finding this. TradingEconomics has it, usually the data is from FRED but I don't see it on their website. Idk where they got it from actually.
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Feb 5, 2019 15:44
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Concerned Citizen posted:nuclear is dumb because every modern reactor has been an insanely expensive boondoggle that bankrupts everyone, despite tons of federal money having been dumped into it. and the electricity is delivers is only cheap in cost if you just pretend the construction costs never happened (these take decades to pay off) yeah like i love nuclear power as a nerd but its not going to work in the us until we stop doing capitalism and by the time we've stopped doing capitalism we'll either already have renewables and friends (or the complete collapse people are right and we have nothing)
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Feb 5, 2019 15:46
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Concerned Citizen posted:nuclear is dumb because every modern reactor has been an insanely expensive boondoggle that bankrupts everyone, despite tons of federal money having been dumped into it. and the electricity is delivers is only cheap in cost if you just pretend the construction costs never happened (these take decades to pay off) *every for-profit reactor* the navy has been building and operating reactors safely and under budget for 60 years. they're good at it because they have a government pipeline that controls every element from initial manufacture to decommissioning to forensic teardown and autopsy of the expended cores before disposal. that autopsy data feeds back into the design process of the next generation. because of this modern cores can last 30 years with only routine maintenance. were only now seeing the data of cores manufactured in the 80's finding its way into the most modern production platform. you get continuity of ownership, continuity of records, continuity of trained people. it works well specifically because its not a private industry
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Feb 5, 2019 15:50
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drat sounds like private industry sucks rear end
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Feb 5, 2019 15:52
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so yeah we need a mix of stored energy solar and nuclear to make a green future. solar mostly handles all your residential and commercial demand while nuclear smooths out the big multi-megawatt demands of industry
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Feb 5, 2019 15:52
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M_Gargantua posted:*every for-profit reactor* except that budget is secret so we're not actually sure what the real cost per mwh would be if they built reactors for electricity.
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Feb 5, 2019 15:53
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who gives a poo poo about profitability when its the only way to generate large amounts of power without CO2 emissions
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Feb 5, 2019 15:54
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Trabisnikof posted:except that budget is secret so we're not actually sure what the real cost per mwh would be if they built reactors for electricity. except the budget is public because its a government funded aparatus and its really hard to calculate equivalent costs because those reactors goal isnt to sit still and generate power
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Feb 5, 2019 15:55
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Trabisnikof posted:except that budget is secret so we're not actually sure what the real cost per mwh would be if they built reactors for electricity. It probably wouldn't 100% reflect real costs due to the involved contractors trying to grift the government. It might be close, but without the actual cost proposals from both sides, the actual cost would be a mystery.
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Feb 5, 2019 15:56
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Raskolnikov38 posted:who gives a poo poo about profitability when its the only way to generate large amounts of power without CO2 emissions But muh renewables profits (and subsidies)
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Feb 5, 2019 15:57
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yeah youre not going to get an itemized bill that only covers the individual reactor operating costs but you can do some statistics on the federal budget
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Feb 5, 2019 15:57
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Concerned Citizen posted:nuclear is dumb because every modern reactor has been an insanely expensive boondoggle that bankrupts everyone, despite tons of federal money having been dumped into it. and the electricity is delivers is only cheap in cost if you just pretend the construction costs never happened (these take decades to pay off) cc, expanding the horizons of things they're wrong about lol
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Feb 5, 2019 15:58
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Trabisnikof posted:except that budget is secret so we're not actually sure what the real cost per mwh would be if they built reactors for electricity. also, the navy's nuclear reactors don't have to compete with other types of energy (including renewables). they're also smaller and have significantly different safety needs - especially since they don't need to ever have their fuel rods replaced, unlike large-scale commercial reactors
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Feb 5, 2019 15:58
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M_Gargantua posted:so yeah we need a mix of stored energy solar and nuclear to make a green future. solar mostly handles all your residential and commercial demand while nuclear smooths out the big multi-megawatt demands of industry except you don't really need to build more big baseload plants like that anymore. with modern power electronics you can provide the same ancillary grid services (voltage regulation, blackstart, etc) from renewables and storage. the other side of the coin is massive plants make for inflexible grids and inflexible grids do poorly with high renewables penetration. that's part of why I think we'll never build fusion plants, they'll be too big for anyone to want to buy and run. Raskolnikov38 posted:who gives a poo poo about profitability when its the only way to generate large amounts of power without CO2 emissions we can install 5 gigawatts of wind a hella of a lot faster than we can 1 gigawatt of nuclear right now.
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Feb 5, 2019 15:59
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Concerned Citizen posted:nuclear is dumb because every modern reactor has been an insanely expensive boondoggle that bankrupts everyone, despite tons of federal money having been dumped into it. and the electricity is delivers is only cheap in cost if you just pretend the construction costs never happened (these take decades to pay off) money is a fiction. nuclear is safe and stable. wind/solar is good too, we should have that too. the thing about nuclear is that it gives us the massive throughput we need for certain activities, which is going to be necessary when oil eventually runs out or we're forced to stop using oil entirely because of the climate emergency. essentially, Raskolnikov38 posted:who gives a poo poo about profitability when its the only way to generate large amounts of power without CO2 emissions
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Feb 5, 2019 16:00
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Raskolnikov38 posted:who gives a poo poo about profitability when its the only way to generate large amounts of power without CO2 emissions nuclear is better than coal in terms of co2 output but if you look at the full life cycle of nuclear (fuel extraction, construction, etc) it is many times worse than renewables
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Feb 5, 2019 16:01
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dayum ... navy good?
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Feb 5, 2019 16:01
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Trabisnikof posted:except you don't really need to build more big baseload plants like that anymore. with modern power electronics you can provide the same ancillary grid services (voltage regulation, blackstart, etc) from renewables and storage. hard to buy a fusion power plant when there are no more private energy companies, yes
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Feb 5, 2019 16:01
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SKULL.GIF posted:money is a fiction. nuclear is safe and stable. wind/solar is good too, we should have that too. the thing about nuclear is that it gives us the massive throughput we need for certain activities, which is going to be necessary when oil eventually runs out or we're forced to stop using oil entirely because of the climate emergency. except we don't actually need nuclear for that we can use renewables and storage to get the same output and we can build renewables and storage now without having to change our economics first
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