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Tetrabor posted:What gently caress is it with anarchists and wanting to remove systems that prevent chuds from going on shooting sprees, who's going to stop Chad the Nazi from murdering you? Surprise twist, Chad the Nazi is a cop and you commit suicide by shooting yourself in the head while your hands are cuffed behind you
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Tetrabor posted:What gently caress is it with anarchists and wanting to remove systems that prevent chuds from going on shooting sprees, who's going to stop Chad the Nazi from murdering you? it's the other way around, the police are protecting the chuds from getting murdered
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Tetrabor posted:What gently caress is it with anarchists and wanting to remove systems that prevent chuds from going on shooting sprees, who's going to stop Chad the Nazi from murdering you? Dude the police exist now and shooting sprees happen ALL THE loving TIME. They aren't stopping poo poo
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Tetrabor posted:With what? i dunno about you, but the threat of a police officer killing me is not what keeps me from becoming a crazed cannibal. i don't need some power figure to threaten me into being "good" this is the same argument christians use wrt to atheists lol
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Tetrabor posted:With what? People are basically good op, you've been fed a lot of lies by the deranged exceptions to this who have taken power
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Feb 6, 2019 17:37
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Epic High Five posted:The standing legal precedent is that the police have no moral or legal obligation to defend you or your property from any one of any thing, much less a spree shooter. Their job is to enforce the racial caste system and protect capital. If you got rid of the police, the only people whose lives would meaningfully change would be the rich people, because most people are bound by the law but not served by it. The legal system has nothing to do with preventing crime or punishing people for commiting crimes, it's all about social control, and when you look at it through that lens a lot of things make more sense. This assumes your entire population is morally correct. The argument that law enforcement doesn't prevent crime is easily disprovable by looking at countries where law and law enforcement are no longer respected, such as Mexico. Nothings going to stop gangs, mafias, and everything else from taking over and segmenting cities because you just removed the only thing that prevents them from doing so. So again, whats the fix?
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antfa pretty much know the identities homes and workplaces of all the local chuds and chud rallies are usually 10:1 public to nazi, with only a thick cordon of police to protect them
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The replacement to cops is to have a society that doesn't drive people to kill and rob That might sound difficult but unless someone has an idea for the cops do anything but show up four hours after you report a crime and then leave when they aren't actively menacing people I'd like to hear it.
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Tetrabor posted:This assumes your entire population is morally correct. The argument that law enforcement doesn't prevent crime is easily disprovable by looking at countries where law and law enforcement are no longer respected, such as Mexico. Nothings going to stop gangs, mafias, and everything else from taking over and segmenting cities because you just removed the only thing that prevents them from doing so. The fix is you get made fun of for trying to use right wing arguements on cspam op
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if you remove the social and economic pressures that drive people to crime, you really do most of the work right up front
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Feb 6, 2019 17:42
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Tetrabor posted:This assumes your entire population is morally correct. The argument that law enforcement doesn't prevent crime is easily disprovable by looking at countries where law and law enforcement are no longer respected, such as Mexico. Nothings going to stop gangs, mafias, and everything else from taking over and segmenting cities because you just removed the only thing that prevents them from doing so. If those orgs aren't taking root in the US its because the functions of theft and larceny have been monopolized by the police and they don't like competition We've told you the fix
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LOL he lives in Portland and thinks he needs the cops to protect him from a ravening horde of Those People
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Agean90 posted:The fix is you get made fun of for trying to use right wing arguements on cspam op i think it was rawls who said "love is a hurtin thing"
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Serf posted:if you remove the social and economic pressures that drive people to crime, you really do most of the work right up front in like 2013 Obama's DOJ did a study on gun violence as a preface to some gun control pitch they were dreaming up, but it basically said "the only factor is poverty" instead of whatever they were hoping for so they just shoved it into a corner and learned nothing lol
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Tetrabor posted:This assumes your entire population is morally correct. The argument that law enforcement doesn't prevent crime is easily disprovable by looking at countries where law and law enforcement are no longer respected, such as Mexico. Nothings going to stop gangs, mafias, and everything else from taking over and segmenting cities because you just removed the only thing that prevents them from doing so. I like that you've moved the goalposts, but not in the usual direction: now not only must police exist, they must be ~respected~. How often do you visit Mexico, and what would you say are the major causes of the low degree of respect for law enforcement you see when you do?
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The NYPD went on strike to protest against the mayor tepidly suggesting that maybe they not murder quite so many unarmed black people quite so brazenly, instead of the city falling into blood-choked anarchy and begging for the cops to come back like they expected, quality of life improved and everyone commented on how much nicer the city was for 99% of its residents so the cops quickly got back on the job before too many people started drawing logical conclusions from this event.
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Halloween Jack posted:LOL he lives in Portland and thinks he needs the cops to protect him from a ravening horde of Those People lmao yeah, i live in portland too and the police are the ones who are actively protecting and promoting joey gibson and his white supremacist mob here. they let him and his gang literally drive around neighbourhoods beating up randos lmfao. last summer they saw a patriot prayer militia guy set up a snipers nest on top of a parking garage and made him promise real hard not to shoot anyone. yet somehow they're the only line of defense against the nazis rofl
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Halloween Jack posted:LOL he lives in Portland No loving way Tetrabor, do you have any impressions or opinions of the big anti-nazi marches in Portland that people ITT keep mentioning? Like, what have you heard about them, before now?
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VitalSigns posted:The NYPD went on strike to protest against the mayor tepidly suggesting that maybe they not murder quite so many unarmed black people quite so brazenly, instead of the city falling into blood-choked anarchy and begging for the cops to come back like they expected, quality of life improved and everyone commented on how much nicer the city was for 99% of its residents so the cops quickly got back on the job before too many people started drawing logical conclusions from this event. This sounds suspiciously like the TSA not showing up to work during the shutdown.
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He's 100% against Antifa, they're just as bad as the Nazis, they pulled down his pants and made fun of his tiny penis
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Serf posted:if you remove the social and economic pressures that drive people to crime, you really do most of the work right up front this is the one but it reeks of socialism so americans hate it
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3 refreshes and my post hadn't appeared. repost thinking it was never posted and poof it appears...what?
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i've literally been behind the barricades and it's always been the cops forcing antifa back against a tiny minority of nazis. the last one i was at was really ugly with cops firing flashbangs directly at antifa protesters heads. one protester was hit directly in the skull, and even though he survived due to his helmet still had to have a shunt put into his head https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2018/08/it_felt_like_a_war_zone_portla.html  the whole time they were escorting patriot prayer making sure they were safe comfortable and hydrated then it was discovered that the police chief went on a right wing radio show to talk about how they were going to beat up the protesters for being snowflakes https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2...cked-your-butt/
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AkumaHokoru posted:3 refreshes and my post hadn't appeared. repost thinking it was never posted and poof it appears...what? ghost posts are back, and they're good now awoooooooooo (radium howl)
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BraveUlysses posted:buying a house doesnt help you at all anymore because the standard deduction is larger and overshadows the incentive to itemize Depends where you live and how much house you’re buying. If you’re buying a 135,000 dollar starter home in Des Moines then it’s not ever going to help you but if you’re buying a 550,000 dollar house in Vegas then it probably will. I haven’t necessarily thought this all the way through but it seems to me like the new tax laws can really discourage getting married. like take that 550k house, interest and property tax are probably going to be in the neighborhood of 24,000 a year which makes it a total wash with the new std deduction for a married couple. But not necessarily for a non married couple. If one person pays the mortgage by themself they can claim 100% of the deduction so they’d get 24,000 worth of itemized deductions and then the other person can take the 12,000 dollar standard. You just increased your deductions by 50% and saved probably $3000 in taxes, by not being married. With the old tax system the couple could have deducted the 24k and then added 8200 in personal exemptions onto it so it comes a lot closer to the 36k you can deduct by gaming the new system. Getting rid of the personal exemption was a giant kick in the dick to the middle class. The poor don’t give a poo poo because they don’t itemize and the rich don’t give a poo poo because taxes on $4100 to them is nothing but it can make a pretty big difference to people in the middle class. The media should have been screaming this from the rooftops but they understand taxes about as well as your average dumbass citizen so they didn’t really give it the attention it deserved.
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it's a pretty strange thing to say that there's a massive system of purposeful oppression but also that "people are good". who the gently caress do you think does the oppressing? lizard men?
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Doc Hawkins posted:No loving way I absolutely hate Nazis and fully support Antifa up until the point of anarchism. I just don't get this degree of blowback for supporting some form of balance in society that isn't imagining a utopia where no-one commits wrongdoings. I'll keep lurking, sorry for the interruption gents.
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Dude we can have guys who stop guys from beating their wives and poo poo like that. But guess what special protected class in society does tons of wife-beating.
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Tetrabor posted:I absolutely hate Nazis and fully support Antifa up until the point of anarchism. please define anarchism
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antifa being out in public, duh. it's too extreme!
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Serf posted:please define anarchism [doug] you can't ban cops, everything will be all higgledy piggledy!
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Tetrabor posted:I absolutely hate Nazis and fully support Antifa up until the point of anarchism. read up on some actual anarchist literature, this stuff is all planned out for and most of them aren't utopian. In fact most are dreadfully un-utopian about the prospects of what things will be like post-revolution with an emphasis on long term planning. Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:it's a pretty strange thing to say that there's a massive system of purposeful oppression but also that "people are good". who the gently caress do you think does the oppressing? lizard men? any good system has mechanisms within itself to select only people who fit within the current culture of the system itself, a better system will select for better people, ideally by not promising them an opportunity to oppress with impunity as a specially protected class of person, provided they oppress the right people. Also we just have too many cops getting too much money and military hardware. The NYPD alone is larger than and costs more than like 80% of militaries on Earth
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Tetrabor posted:With what? Is this radical centrism?
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Halloween Jack posted:Law enforcement in the United States is primarily oriented toward occupying and intimidating marginalized communities. If they do good and necessary things, it's to maintain the status quo (and sometimes purely for public relations). 
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Tetrabor posted:I absolutely hate Nazis and fully support Antifa up until the point of anarchism. Is this like when Eichmann said he was a kantian?
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