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Thundarr posted:The bit about the 12 not being summonable gets lampshaded regularly so I fully expect that, at some point in a future expansion, it is going to either happen and there will be Dire Consequences or we'll learn the Terrible Secret behind exactly why we can't (and it'll be more than just "they don't exist lol"). But to date they have canonically never been successfully summoned.
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Nessus posted:Zodiac stones. We already had the Lucavi in Ivalice though I suppose they could double dip.
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Feb 8, 2019 03:41
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Phone posted:i'm surprised there hasn't been an ff14 gang tag yet Depending on what we come up with I'd definitely get one. We should throw some ideas around, see if something sticks.
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Feb 8, 2019 03:46
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ImpAtom posted:Is there any glam like the Weaver's Swallowtail for anything besides Weaver? The butler's top, though that's cash shop and male only, and uh... the casting/healing i180 sets, I guess?
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Feb 8, 2019 03:52
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Edmond Dantes posted:Depending on what we come up with I'd definitely get one. We should throw some ideas around, see if something sticks. The Fracture Friends e: or The Protect Pals
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Feb 8, 2019 03:56
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:The Fracture Friends Godslayers /Fake edit: too edgy? 
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Feb 8, 2019 03:58
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Summoning being easy is relatively new to Eorzea. Louiseax wasn't trying to summon the Twelve, he was trying to invoke their power without summoning them There's even a MSQ where the Ascians are trying to get some kids to summon Rhalgr, and Ramuh may just be a cultural diversion from him.
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Feb 8, 2019 03:58
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Edmond Dantes posted:I was expecting one of his silly videos, but this Larryzaur class overview is actually quite good (and actually serious): I'm not entirely convinced that this isn't just Larry wanking off the to the fact that he has Ultimate Dreadwyrm weapons for every job under the guise of making an actually-useful guide, but it's useful, so I will pass it on while giving Larry the stinkeye.
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Feb 8, 2019 04:12
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Ironslave posted:Summoning being easy is relatively new to Eorzea. Louiseax wasn't trying to summon the Twelve, he was trying to invoke their power without summoning them There's even a MSQ where the Ascians are trying to get some kids to summon Rhalgr, and Ramuh may just be a cultural diversion from him.
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Feb 8, 2019 04:22
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Edmond Dantes posted:Depending on what we come up with I'd definitely get one. We should throw some ideas around, see if something sticks. Piss off, kupo Warrior of Light/Darkness (gif that changes) Dad of Light
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Feb 8, 2019 04:35
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The lancer questline is incredibly bad, but I hit 30 so once I do this one it's on to Dragoon.
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Feb 8, 2019 04:37
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"muh courage" - Foulques
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Feb 8, 2019 04:41
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:"muh courage" - Foulques
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FactsAreUseless posted:The lancer questline is incredibly bad, but I hit 30 so once I do this one it's on to Dragoon. lol
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Feb 8, 2019 04:42
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Yeah, they sent me to Coerthas, back to the Shroud to talk to one person, and then back to Coerthas. I haven't fought anything yet. So uh looks like it's gonna suck. edit: When in the timeline does this take place?
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Feb 8, 2019 04:47
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The WoL eventually needs to abdicate to the normal folks to handle the issue of Primals, etc., since the Ascians could all be killed but that won't stop some anime thing from gettin' real mad and spawning a demon that can destroy a capitol. Maybe ShB will explore what would happen if the WoL said "ugh no I'm not solving this bullshit for you" and see how the world reacts to big problems considering the WoL is basically a god. Would Eorzeans be good guys without the WoL to handle their problems? It's very convenient for Eorzeans to say to the Empire "no our
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Feb 8, 2019 04:52
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FactsAreUseless posted:Yeah, they sent me to Coerthas, back to the Shroud to talk to one person, and then back to Coerthas. I haven't fought anything yet. So uh looks like it's gonna suck.
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Feb 8, 2019 04:53
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Edmond Dantes posted:Depending on what we come up with I'd definitely get one. We should throw some ideas around, see if something sticks. the content respecters
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Feb 8, 2019 05:17
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jokes posted:The WoL eventually needs to abdicate to the normal folks to handle the issue of Primals, etc., since the Ascians could all be killed but that won't stop some anime thing from gettin' real mad and spawning a demon that can destroy a capitol. This has actually been brought up in the website fiction- they've got other echo-users doing the main fighting with back up that's out of tempering range handling primal fights. This is part of what Fordola's doing as part of her sentence.
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Feb 8, 2019 05:21
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unseenlibrarian posted:This has actually been brought up in the website fiction- they've got other echo-users doing the main fighting with back up that's out of tempering range handling primal fights. This is part of what Fordola's doing as part of her sentence.
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Feb 8, 2019 05:25
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Isn't it canon that Ramuh is a Sylph interpretation of Rhalgr? That proves that the Twelve are summonable in some aspect.
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Feb 8, 2019 05:31
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FactsAreUseless posted:Yeah, they sent me to Coerthas, back to the Shroud to talk to one person, and then back to Coerthas. I haven't fought anything yet. So uh looks like it's gonna suck. The job quests are basically concurrent with the MSQ at that level. Also the DRG quests are pretty loving terrible except the Stormblood ones which are more  than anything else.
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Feb 8, 2019 05:33
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Ibblebibble posted:Isn't it canon that Ramuh is a Sylph interpretation of Rhalgr? That proves that the Twelve are summonable in some aspect.
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Feb 8, 2019 05:38
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Primals need two things to be summoned: crystals to make the body and prayers to shape their mind. The primals we fight are just really powerful magic golems, though some Elder Primals like Odin are different and we don't entirely know whats up with them. The reason Summoners work is that they make the primal-egis out of their own thoughts and our own aether that gets tinged by the primals we fight. Though they said that once a primal is summoned the exact same one can't be summoned at the same time, so after they're made they have some continuity once we send them back to Hydaelyn which also gets pretty weird.
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unseenlibrarian posted:This has actually been brought up in the website fiction- they've got other echo-users doing the main fighting with back up that's out of tempering range handling primal fights. This is part of what Fordola's doing as part of her sentence. jokes posted:It's very convenient for Eorzeans to say to the Empire "no our The other part is probably fixing whatever's in Silvertear Lake. We see Ifrit and Titan and a whole bunch of others were imprisoned in there and escape when the Garlean flagship crashes and explodes in the 1.0 cinematic, and they only start getting summoned after that (and after the Ascians go around stealing some aether-collecting ancient artifacts to help power the rituals, but it seems like they don't need those any more). Dealing with this whole deal (and whatever mysterious force stopped Gaius from proceeding into Eorzea after conquering Ala Mhigo) was going to be the direction the story headed in 1.0, so who knows when or if we'll ever get back to it now, though.
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Canine Conspiracy posted:The Empire is the entire reason there is a Primal problem to begin with, the whole thing is an Ascian-powered engine for conflict and summonings. The first part of a permanent solution is getting rid of the Ascians and wrecking the remainder of their schemes. Silvertear just had a whole bunch of aether locked underneath it by Hydaelyn, and when the Garleans broke it summoning just became 10x easier. It was probably gonna be something different when the cinematic was made but that was a long time ago and they changed their minds. Then after Bahamut is released and then dispersed, the aether he had locked up in the moon with him got set free and summoning became even easier. The garleans did both those things, so they've been loving things up primal wise for awhile now.
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They were probably not literally imprisoned in Silvertear anyway, I think its just a visual metaphor for aether being dispersed throughout Eorzea. Summoning existed before the Battle of Silvertear Skies, it was just harder to do.
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Feb 8, 2019 06:06
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Ibblebibble posted:Isn't it canon that Ramuh is a Sylph interpretation of Rhalgr? That proves that the Twelve are summonable in some aspect. This is just a fan theory, because they're old dudes aspected with lightning. So is TG Cid.
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It's mentioned as a possibility in encyclopedia eorzea 2 so it's been considered in-universe as well
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:This is just a fan theory, because they're old dudes aspected with lightning. TG Cid is Rhalgr is 100% believable.
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Fan Fest 2018 Interview posted:GE: Speaking of stuff we talked about before that may have fallen through the cracks… Do you have any updates on the so-called mysterious primal? There was the idea that right after Gaius took Ala Mhigo, he was going to keep going, but a primal halted his advance. It could have happened in ’57; could have happened in ’62. It sounds like whatever 1.0 stuff was planned is at least still sort of canonical as of three months ago; enough that they can't talk about it, at least. And they've mentioned wanting to start wrapping up old storylines soon. So even if it's not a literal Primal Jail, there's definitely still something down there in the water. Probably. Maybe. Then again, Koji also said we'd see the Heart of Sabik again before Stormblood and get more answers about Ramuh's past, so maybe don't charter the submarine just yet.
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Eorzea using Zapp Braningan tactics to deal with Primals is a hilariously dark bit of canon.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Eorzea using Zapp Braningan tactics to deal with Primals is a hilariously dark bit of canon. WoL: "and what happened to those adventurers? To shreds you say? Well I should do something! But I am already in my pajamas..."
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FactsAreUseless posted:Any of the Twelve should be summonable because people aren't summoning actual creatures, they're summoning the images of them in their heads, which then strive to maintain their existence by forcing their followers to obtain souls and crystals for them. That's the weird thing about the twelve, they're not summonable as far as we know. If they were we would've probably gotten Rhalgr instead of Shinryu when SLOPPEH died. So someone or something prevents them from being manifested as a primal.
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Bolow posted:That's the weird thing about the twelve, they're not summonable as far as we know. If they were we would've probably gotten Rhalgr instead of Shinryu when SLOPPEH died. So someone or something prevents them from being manifested as a primal. There are lots of reasons why we got Shinryu and not Rhalgr. The game itself goes over them: wanting a form that embodied the destruction wrought by the Calamity, using the draconic aether of the eyes, etc. The Twelve are likely as capable of being summoned as anything else people believe in enough and feed enough aether, considering the Ascians were trying to get Ala Mhigan refugees to do it.
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Ironslave posted:There are lots of reasons why we got Shinryu and not Rhalgr. The game itself goes over them: wanting a form that embodied the destruction wrought by the Calamity, using the draconic aether of the eyes, etc. The Twelve are likely as capable of being summoned as anything else people believe in enough and feed enough aether, considering the Ascians were trying to get Ala Mhigan refugees to do it. But hasn't there also been a lot of poitns where people said "we tried to summon one of the twelve and it just didn't work"?
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Tashilicious posted:But hasn't there also been a lot of poitns where people said "we tried to summon one of the twelve and it just didn't work"? It's popped up enough times that there's Something Weird going on there. And we know nothing concrete about that weirdness. There's a line in Encylopedia Eorzea 1 that the Twelve were/are kicking around doing the mysterious wanderer thing to make the world a better place. Which would stop them from being summoned because they're already out there But we don't know if that's true. Heck, Godbert Manderville could be an incarnation of Nymeia herself and that could count for nixing summoning
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I thought the capitalism discussion was... I guess funny is the word. The end result seems like what a lovely god/capitalist would be proud of, so that theory does seem appropriate.
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EponymousMrYar posted:Heck, Godbert Manderville could be an incarnation of Nymeia herself and that could count for nixing summoning "Could be".
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Eorzea using Zapp Braningan tactics to deal with Primals is a hilariously dark bit of canon. I really, really like the morbidity and hosed upness of the idea that we always "gather a group of adventurers" in primal fights because the WoL just strings along random people to fight and die for his/her battles. If you take Squadron running dungeons as being canon, it could almost be true in any situation! Rastan Beeza fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Feb 8, 2019 |
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