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Mithaldu posted:And just in case you're curious: These posts yelling at him serve a purpose. The purpose is to see what kind of person is at the core. One that naturally doubles down or naturally self-improves. Both exist and figuring out which is in front of you is in itself useful.
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It's neither. It's realpolitik. It's extracting information from a blackbox. And it needs to be taken in context with the reality of *the rest of the post* that you didn't quote. And it's not like i wrote a book there.
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Feb 8, 2019 22:18
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Oho, a puppet-player among us. But you have lost this screaming match/discussion anyway by virtue of olawin, i.e. the law that if oliwan agrees with you, the other side wins automatically, as he is demonstrably wrong about everything. (Which is why I suspect he's actually British and is just using his pretend Dutch(Swiss?) heritage as cover to stay in Berlin after Brexit as her Mayesties disinformation agent.)
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Mithaldu posted:And just in case you're curious: These posts yelling at him serve a purpose. The purpose is to see what kind of person is at the core. One that naturally doubles down or naturally self-improves. Both exist and figuring out which is in front of you is in itself useful. Bullying and yelling at people is supposed to educate them? What the hell is wrong with you? If you want some perspective, I remember watching a documentary of the Chinese widow of a Chinese political dissident during the Cultural revolution. One thing that I will never forget is that, after having expressed dissenting opinions, this guy and his wife were forced to sit in rooms with people shouting at them for hours and hours for having the wrong opinions. This lasted weeks. What I'm saying is that you're awful
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My Lovely Horse posted:Gotta be honest: as either a communicative or educational approach, that gives me the screaming willies. Did you ever read the works of Shan Yu? He said: “Live with a man forty years. Share his house, his meals, speak on every subject. Then tie him up and repeatedly shout at him, and on that day, you will finally meet the man.”
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Feb 9, 2019 06:23
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pidan posted:Sweet, it's been an hour so clearly I am now the rightful lord of seat 25-77. I'm the fantastic famous pro-poster Raspberry Jam It In Me Randler posted:dogboy, eat the eggs (the egg symbolizes the dragon of chaos enterin the immatereum) Pretty hosed up what goes on in psychology research these days 
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Sulla Faex posted:even though jordan peterson's beliefs are really toxic and his whole schtick is finding a way to present it in a superficially tenable way so that they can cause the greatest possible level of dissemination and damage, harassing this dude and calling him names is only going to encourage him to double down on those beliefs. he might very well have started this conversation without a strong opinion on jordan peterson, but now for sure he's not going to reevaluate them (and might actually identify with them more strongly), because violent opposition and personal harassment only serve to polarise people's positions. it doesn't mean they're right, it means that people have failed in their responsibility to educate them away from lovely beliefs or assumptions Basically this. Although since one of my core beliefs is personal freedom it is really unrealistic that I internalise any of his stuff. Edit: To clarify a bit: Often I just take a provocative position to get things rolling, surprisingly that sometimes makes people angry at me. I enjoyed the exchange with Mithaldu, I took a few interesting viewpoints out of that which I will certainly ponder about. One thing I am re-evaluating currently is my position as a political animal that I actually think in majorities and am willing to disregard small groups. It is lovely, but this mindset gets things done - and I have seen political projects fail where a lot of people would have sided with x but now that y is in the boat, too, no way they would. dogboy fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Feb 9, 2019 |
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Feb 9, 2019 10:17
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AndreTheGiantBoned posted:Bullying and yelling at people is supposed to educate them?
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Feb 9, 2019 10:26
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looks like someone naturally doubles down
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Feb 9, 2019 10:28
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Ugh what a lovely debate (again). Can't we talk about something as divisive but more interesting like Semmeln?
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Feb 9, 2019 10:28
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elbkaida posted:Ugh what a lovely debate (again). Can't we talk about something as divisive but more interesting like Semmeln? Pretty please some heated exchange now and then, and sometimes one where I don't get my rear end kicked, too?
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Feb 9, 2019 10:32
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Spargelzeit is coming up soon!
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My Lovely Horse posted:looks like someone naturally doubles down
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Feb 9, 2019 10:45
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It's communicative by its basic nature. We're talking to each other on the internet, it can't not be. You send out messages, you receive reactions, you interpret the reactions. It's educational because part of the approach is "yelling at someone to figure out if they naturally double down or self-improve." However, if it's the second, the very act of "yelling at them" would trigger the self-improvement. You're not an impartial observer of communication, you actively try to trigger certain messages, and you're at least party hoping to trigger self-improvement, hence educational. And it gives me the screaming willies as a method of intelligence gathering or whatever too, if that helps.
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Feb 9, 2019 11:02
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elbkaida posted:Ugh what a lovely debate (again). Can't we talk about something as divisive but more interesting like Semmeln? i've discovered laugenecken around a month ago and it has basically been liquid crack(but in solid form) for me. this stuff is seriously dangerous.
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Ah, i see my misunderstanding: I was thinking "dialogue" when you said communication. I'm not sure how to word the difference accurately, but i think there's a qualitative divide between a dialogue, where information intentionally flows both ways, and the prodding of a blackbox. As for educational, i can see your perspective, but there's a small difference here as well. The idea is not that self-improvement will be directly caused, but that confronted with criticisms some people will at least pause and ask, at which point a dialogue can be started. See also: Telling parents "Negerkuss" is a racist word. Some will go "why?" and a conversation will start. Others will go: "Das haben wir schon immer so gesagt und ich lass mir nicht sagen wie ich zu sprechen hab!" (Plus some amount of middling reactions.) Most notably in the latter case, unless you believe yourself to be in a very emotionally tied and/or convincing position, there's no point in continuing any further and in fact continuing further would be counterproductive on the whole. As well, my use of "yelling" was hyperbolic SA posting. I didn't intend to mean literally yelling and you might see in the posts that very little of that actually happened. What it was a shortcut for is "providing people with counterpoints and criticisms". My Lovely Horse posted:And it gives me the screaming willies as a method of intelligence gathering or whatever too, if that helps. How does it make you feel that you did it to me, with results?
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Feb 9, 2019 11:21
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Torrannor posted:Spargelzeit is coming up soon!
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I found a box of sweets at my work that labeled itself Köhlerküsse, which I thought was a nice way to deal with the problem because Köhlers are good luck too. But turns out the guy who makes them is actually named Köhler, oh well.
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Feb 9, 2019 11:25
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Mithaldu posted:Is there even a big difference between supermarket spargel you can get all year round and the fresh stuff? No, all of it is terrible and tastes of next to nothing. 
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Feb 9, 2019 11:31
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Yeah, that's about my experience. Love Schwarzwurzel tho. That should get a national season.pidan posted:I found a box of sweets at my work that labeled itself Köhlerküsse, which I thought was a nice way to deal with the problem because Köhlers are good luck too. But turns out the guy who makes them is actually named Köhler, oh well.
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Mithaldu posted:Is there even a big difference between supermarket spargel you can get all year round and the fresh stuff? Yes of course? Fresh Spargel has a stronger and better taste. The stuff in the supermarket is often really dry, it's not worth the money to buy it.
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Feb 9, 2019 11:35
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elbkaida posted:Ugh what a lovely debate (again). Can't we talk about something as divisive but more interesting like Semmeln? This reminds me, I know Brötchen can be translated with bun or bread roll, but is that really the same thing? I have this irrational fear that if I leave Germany, I can't get any Brötchen anymore.
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Libluini posted:This reminds me, I know Brötchen can be translated with bun or bread roll, but is that really the same thing? I have this irrational fear that if I leave Germany, I can't get any Brötchen anymore. Bread roll. A bun is more fluffy and softer than a bread roll, which is basically just a Brötchen.
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goethe42 posted:Oho, a puppet-player among us. oliwan is actually right on a bunch of stuff
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Drone posted:Bread roll. A bun is more fluffy and softer than a bread roll, which is basically just a Brötchen. So a bun would be like a Rosinenbrötchen minus Rosinen?
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Libluini posted:So a bun would be like a Rosinenbrötchen minus Rosinen? Close, yeah.
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Libluini posted:This reminds me, I know Brötchen can be translated with bun or bread roll, but is that really the same thing? I have this irrational fear that if I leave Germany, I can't get any Brötchen anymore. I remember having a considerable lack of Brötchen in local Bäckereien when in the Ausland, but you can find those in supermarket more or less all around the world. Maybe not the solid Sunday morning quality, but you will have some okay Brötchen tastes at least.
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Mithaldu posted:That's a nice solution. What are Köhlers? A Köhler is a person who makes coal (from wood). They're also associated with having a dark skinned appearance, because they're covered in soot.
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der weyse mann beugte feyerlich seyn haupt vnd sprach: "es gibt fürwahr keyn unterscheyd zwisschen gutten & schlechten dingen. du schwachkopff. du scheysz jdiot"
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Libluini posted:So a bun would be like a Rosinenbrötchen minus Rosinen? thos are called Milchbrötchen here
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Smirr posted:der weyse mann beugte feyerlich seyn haupt vnd sprach: "es gibt fürwahr keyn unterscheyd zwisschen gutten & schlechten dingen. du schwachkopff. du scheysz jdiot" @borr doing work yet again
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Lord Stimperor posted:oliwan is actually right on a bunch of stuff Far right even.
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I think Randler hat die Woche n Zirkus gefrühstückt.pidan posted:A Köhler is a person who makes coal (from wood). They're also associated with having a dark skinned appearance, because they're covered in soot. Torrannor posted:Yes of course? Fresh Spargel has a stronger and better taste. The stuff in the supermarket is often really dry, it's not worth the money to buy it.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:thos are called Milchbrötchen here Yeah, that was the thing I couldn't remember "Da sind doch diese Dinger, diese lockeren und fluffigen Dinger, so wie Rosinenbrötchen, aber ohne Rosinen. Wie heißen die nochmal???" More Brötchen talk, my city has an astonishing lack of fresh Mohnbrötchen. Did those fall out of favor or something? I can only get the Supermarkt-variante, and even then it's like 1 Mohnbrötchen to 4 others I don't want. Weird. 
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Mohn- und Sesamschrippen are my favorites, easily. It’s just gotten so incredibly rare to have the time and get them fresh (mostly because the next Bäcker is like a km away these days) Don’t remember any problems getting them though, when I was so inclined.
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After living 6 months in Hamburg and 3 months in Stuttgart, I can absolutely say that I am miserable in this country specifically South Germany. I came from California in May 2018, got engaged, stayed for wife, got a job in Stuttgart that pays 9.000 euros a month to work from home 5 days a week, but that doesn't matter. I pay 2.784,31 for Steuer, 706,85 for Sozialversicherung, 347,12 for Priv KV-AN-Anteil and 80,54 for PV-AN-Antiel. That's almost half of my money! I get it, it's what makes Germany's transportation system great, they take care of their people. But what is in it for me when I want to go back to America? Nothing. Even with the money this countries laws are hosed and I feel like I'm trapped in a socialist Nazi society that are dictated by laws that are meant to trap people into paying and fining everyone at every opportunity. Ever since moving here I have done nothing but pay for fines and penalties. In 12 years of driving I have never been pulled over. In the past month driving in Stuttgart I already got pulled over, got a fine, and got a speeding ticket due to drivers ramming their dicks up my rear end. I know you guys will say "that's your fault!" yeah, I know, but in California speed traps, cops pulling you over for having HH license plate in Stuttgart while not having a sticker and having a benzin Euro 5 car is loving ridiculous. It's the little things here and there that they do to make you go "ah ha! You didn't follow law 5,231! You will get a fine now'. The mobile carriers here are hosed up too. Technology goes back 10 years here too. Everything is post, everything is loving slow like everyone lives to 300 years old so they don't have any urgency whatsoever unless a new checkout lane opens. Customer service in every industry is absolutely disgraceful. They don't kiss rear end here like they do in America. This is the only place where I ever felt powerless to the law and the people because you are put in a position to conform to society, never to succeed or to move up the ladder and to bow down to any fine that comes your way. I also sense racism and favoritism which. I tried to find a place in Schwäbisch Gmünd, brand new apartment, and the landlord says he doesn't think I would be a good fit because I am from a big city like Hamburg? How are they even allowed to discriminate here and say such a thing? Another landlord was impressed with how much money I was making and kept talking about it. I guess he felt insecure? So he didn't give me the apartment because I took too long to respond when he didn't send my contract. Also, wtf is up with having to have an immobilien profile like it's a LinkedIn and having a job interview? There are some positives things, however. The people here are nice and really help keep society moving like clockwork. The Turkish people are super friendly and one went out of his way to go home, bring jumper cables, and jump start my car. the weather in South Germany is better than Hamburg and I love Hamburg more than Stuttgart. The phone and internet prices and speed is amazing and cheap (finally something cheap in this country). This isn't to say there isn't anything wrong with America because there and it's messed up as well. I was talking so much poo poo before I left America, but now Germany has opened my eyes to how much better it is weather wise, fun wise, and people, and law wise. Yes I rather work my rear end off and get what I deserve to be paid and live than to be bored and pay for overpriced items. Now I know why people want to go to California so bad even if it's expensive and with all its cons. I cannot wait to go back. tl;dr: My nickname for Germany is "hosed up country"
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Smirr posted:der weyse mann beugte feyerlich seyn haupt vnd sprach: "es gibt fürwahr keyn unterscheyd zwisschen gutten & schlechten dingen. du schwachkopff. du scheysz jdiot" Also this lmao
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Wengy posted:Please don’t post porn in this thread Entschulden Sie, mir war nicht bekannt, dass dies eine hörnchenfreie Zone ist.
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