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xtal posted:Easy there, all they did was work for the Liberals, they're not a post office employee or something Is this like how fashy creeps defend that one lady with the nazi collaborator grandpa and say "working with" a group isn't the same thing as being part of that group.
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Not sure how I feel about Canada trying to speed run the Trump era of politics while they are still going through it when we are normally on a 4-6 year time delay.
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Feb 12, 2019 20:56
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Yeah, at least Bush was into his second term before we really gave Harper free rein
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Feb 12, 2019 21:00
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There are levels of working for liberals during a campaign and the spectrum of “is Gerry Butts” to “volunteer coordinator in Kelowna—Lake Country who jumped on board because they’re excited about electoral reform” is p wide.
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Feb 12, 2019 21:11
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It's not suddenly okay to forget literally everything that the Liberals are about because they came up with one obvious lie that everyone knew they were going to go back on.
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Feb 12, 2019 21:28
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ChairMaster posted:It's not suddenly okay to forget literally everything that the Liberals are about because they came up with one obvious lie that everyone knew they were going to go back on. Oh stop exaggerating. It was at least a dozen lies they went back on (like literally every promise made to help/empower our indigenous population  ).
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Feb 12, 2019 21:32
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That one particular lie was the one that apparently justifies bunny working for them. I dont think anybody believed that they'd give a poo poo about our indigenous population.
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Furnaceface posted:Oh stop exaggerating. It was at least a dozen lies they went back on (like literally every promise made to help/empower our indigenous population Are we sure that someone didn't get a canoe rack?
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Feb 12, 2019 21:37
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I knew a few people that went to be staffers on the hill and they were all exactly this kind of person.
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Feb 12, 2019 22:16
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Toalpaz posted:So the part about UBI discussion that frustrates you is that they should be organizing to overthrow our political/economic system instead? How should people go about building up their team in places like Canadian cites as an alternative to things like fight for 15 fairness campaigns or talking about UBI Helsing? UBI frustrates me because it obfuscates the problem. To take an example like housing, the basic issue here is not that people lack income but rather the fact that transforming housing from a shelter you live in to an asset that is purchased and sold in the expectation of capital gains has created perverse incentives that are inconsistent with basic human needs. I think that's true of a lot of our problems. Leaving the entire structure of wealth and privilege in the private economy intact while trying to fix the distribution of income just won't work because the problem is with the markets themselves. Simply put, not everything lends itself equally well to market distribution. Organizing to "overthrow our political/economic system" is more of a long term aspiration than a concrete short term goal. I do think that the left needs to expand its intellectual horizon and think in bigger picture terms, but I also think politics needs to be rooted in the practical aspirations of your constituents. You can't just invent a utopian picture of the future and expect to convert people to your cause. You need to base your programme on the demands and needs that emerge from your historical moment. But you also need to do it in a way that helps make the systemic causes of their problems easier and not harder to understand, and that's the point where advocates of a basic income (often) fail. I think that the focus of the left right now should be on organizing and building institutional strength. Honestly, just consistently gathering people together, having discussion or debate groups, coordinating over local issues, etc. would be a big step forward. I'd also say that groups like Acorn or various organizations fighting for tenant rights or higher wages are really worthwhile and if you have the time worth participating in. As far as concrete goals I think just creating a member funded leftist organization would be pretty impressive assuming it could actually attract thousands or at least hundreds of members rather than just dozens. Perhaps trying to get a genuine radical elected to a city council seat would be a sufficiently ambitious but possible goal to aim for? Or trying to win some victories in workplace struggles, or at least garner visibility to some issue. These are just vague ideas right now but I think the focus should be less on a specific policy and more on recruiting likeminded people, getting them organized, actually convincing people that it might be worth it to give actual money and time for a cause. I used to think this was best organized through or in concert with the NDP but I have to admit at this point I'm not so sure that makes any sense.
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Laminar posted:I knew a few people that went to be staffers on the hill and they were all exactly this kind of person. It is mindblowing political malpractice what they have done to/with JWR. Like I am genuinely stupefied that they aren't even through their first term and already apparently the PMO has ossified into a moron echo chamber where not one single person has the political instincts of a loving turnip. It took Harper and Chretien two whole terms in office to get this amazingly tone deaf, but Gerald Butts is speedrunning it like he's raising money for charity.
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Twitch plays: Parliamentary democracy
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Franks Happy Place posted:It is mindblowing political malpractice what they have done to/with JWR. Like I am genuinely stupefied that they aren't even through their first term and already apparently the PMO has ossified into a moron echo chamber where not one single person has the political instincts of a loving turnip. It took Harper and Chretien two whole terms in office to get this amazingly tone deaf, but Gerald Butts is speedrunning it like he's raising money for charity. I've found myself thinking more and more often of that time period we've collectively forgotten in-between Trudeau first becoming leader and the opening of the 2015 campaign. The Liberals shot to first place after they picked Trudeau, but the more he was exposed to the public the less they seemed to like him. The Libs were so arrogant they tried to get away with voting for an unpopular bill while saying they opposed it on the logic that they'd change it themselves after they inevitable won office. That kind of behaviour is what put the NDP under Mulcair back in the lead right before the election. Mulcair fumbled so badly that the Liberals got a second chance, and expectations of Trudeau had gotten pushed so low it became easy for him to outperform in people's minds. In retrospect his victory looks inevitable but if you go back and look at what people were saying in the spring and summer leading up to the election it was starting to look like Trudeau was a mistake.
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Helsing posted:I've found myself thinking more and more often of that time period we've collectively forgotten in-between Trudeau first becoming leader and the opening of the 2015 campaign. 100% this, it's a point my wife makes a lot- nobody thought this batch of Liberals would win, so you have an unusually young and stupid team being puppetmasterd by the usual band of Power Corp ethical monsters that actually run the LPC. They're omnishambles because nobody is really in charge, least of all the elected people actually dealing with the public anger and broken promises.
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https://twitter.com/janephilpott/status/1095472745175891969 This week has been great for Cabinet Kremlinology
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https://twitter.com/CPAC_TV/status/1095467993046310912 Almost a pitch perfect performance here. I feel his anguish when he says "why". Too bad he couldn't control the smirk when he says "her responsibility", it gives the game away.
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just lmao that the Liberals will be brought down and replaced by the CPC by doing something the CPC would have also done this country is so loving stupid sometimes
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patonthebach posted:You are the worst CanPol poster and that says a lot coming from me. He's not going to be for long
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Party Plane Jones posted:He's not going to be for long Congrats patonthebach at reclaiming your title.
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Feb 13, 2019 03:45
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Party Plane Jones posted:He's not going to be for long thank you for doing the needful
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Now accepting applicants for sadbrains in residence.
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I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that Barrie turned out to be the centre of operations for a human trafficking operation: https://www.sudbury.com/around-the-...-photos-1239534
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apatheticman posted:Now accepting applicants for sadbrains in residence. Rime should be off his 30 day soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTw8_RJSjeY gently caress every single one of these stupid motherfuckers. Powershift fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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Powershift posted:gently caress every single one of these stupid motherfuckers. I hope all of them collapse, as there are plenty of restaurants paying decent wages and not crying about stat holidays who are more than happy to serve an increased market.
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Feb 13, 2019 06:46
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The Dark One posted:I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that Barrie turned out to be the centre of operations for a human trafficking operation: I preferred it when Barrie's claim to fame was a clandestine grow op in the old Molson plant.
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The Dark One posted:I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that Barrie turned out to be the centre of operations for a human trafficking operation: quote:Graham said all of the workers had entered Canada legally, but all had different stories. Really says a lot about how our government views foreign workers.
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Feb 13, 2019 07:27
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Remember that time we kinda sorta almost reformed the TFW program because a bank tried to use it to replace IT workers?
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Feb 13, 2019 07:32
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RIP ChairMaster, we knew ye unfortunately much too well. I was feeling negative about my job last night and earlier this morning but after reading this last parade of depressed nonsense, I actually feel a great deal better. Thank you, chronic depressives of CanPol!
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Feb 13, 2019 13:40
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PT6A posted:RIP ChairMaster, we knew ye unfortunately much too well. You’re welcome, we’re not good for anything else
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Feb 13, 2019 13:47
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Arivia posted:You’re welcome, we’re not good for anything else Don't say that, you are a good and valuable poster, unlike folks like ChairMaster who exclusively serve the very limited purpose of making everyone else feel better by comparison.
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Feb 13, 2019 13:49
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I imagine he made a high pitched screech when he found his ban.
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Feb 13, 2019 15:42
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We just need to mention bunnyofdoom periodically for the next couple weeks to expose his re-reg when it inevitably happens. Seriously bod if chairmaster got ahold of your dox I'd fear for your safety.
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Feb 13, 2019 15:55
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What is with this particular thread and pumping out some forums superstars? Rime, Chairmaster, CI...it's pretty impressive, actually.
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MA-Horus posted:What is with this particular thread and pumping out some forums superstars? Rime, Chairmaster, CI...it's pretty impressive, actually. It’s the Canada Council for Shitposting.
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ChairMaster posted:I wish they succeeded, you actively helped to gently caress over millions of people. You are a bad person and should feel bad and should be treated badly. Nobody should feel badly for you or regret that something bad happened to you as a result of something lovely you did. Adding another to the list of parting shots is pretty pointless but good loving riddance anyway CM, please get some help
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Feb 13, 2019 16:19
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CanCon rules require us to produce a certain number of both good and bad posters.
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vyelkin posted:CanCon rules require us to produce a certain number of both good and bad posters. Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
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MA-Horus posted:What is with this particular thread and pumping out some forums superstars? Rime, Chairmaster, CI...it's pretty impressive, actually. Canada always punches (down) above its weight class.
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