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McCloud posted:Ya'll remember that failed writer who wrote "tell that to zod's snapped neck" in a dumb attempt to "fix" BvS right? Of course you do! New film idea: "Superman as wint"
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Feb 13, 2019 14:50
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McCloud posted:
Weird thoughts.
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Feb 13, 2019 14:50
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The Morrison run had Superman be a working class hero again (before going into weird stuff with Mister Mxplxzyc). I liked that.
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Feb 13, 2019 14:58
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McCloud posted:Ya'll remember that failed writer who wrote "tell that to zod's snapped neck" in a dumb attempt to "fix" BvS right? Of course you do! BvS already has two scenes (I'm including the Ultimate Edition) similar to this, but I guess they didn't sound enough like woke stdh.txt stories. Why do all of these "fixes" to either dumb down Martha Kent or downplay her impact on Superman's life?
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Feb 13, 2019 14:59
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If Superman reads twitter, eventually he's going to run into the group that will attempt to troll him into villainy by any means necessary
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Feb 13, 2019 15:02
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:If Superman reads twitter, eventually he's going to run into the group that will attempt to troll him into villainy by any means necessary Lex Luthor, obviously. And/or the Joker. They're probably twitter frenemies on their anonymous accounts.
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Feb 13, 2019 15:05
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Equeen posted:BvS already has two scenes (I'm including the Ultimate Edition) similar to this, but I guess they didn't sound enough like woke stdh.txt stories. some people just really want the kents to continually be doddering old dust bowl-era farmers
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Feb 13, 2019 15:06
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Brother Entropy posted:some people just really want the kents to continually be doddering old dust bowl-era farmers While ignoring the fact that such an upbringing would almost certainly result in a Pro-Trump conservative. Imagine Superman coming to the defense of the Confederate flag, saying its about states rights
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Feb 13, 2019 15:08
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McCloud posted:Ya'll remember that failed writer who wrote "tell that to zod's snapped neck" in a dumb attempt to "fix" BvS right? Of course you do! What the gently caress did I just read? 
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Feb 13, 2019 15:09
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lmao imagine spending that much time and energy transcribing Are You There God? It’s Me, Superman
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Feb 13, 2019 15:34
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MonsieurChoc posted:The Morrison run had Superman be a working class hero again (before going into weird stuff with Mister Mxplxzyc). Snyderman is coded as working class in MoS and BvS, with Lex's Gala in BvS being the most blatant example of his relation to the working class. Equeen posted:BvS already has two scenes (I'm including the Ultimate Edition) similar to this, but I guess they didn't sound enough like woke stdh.txt stories. More to the point, why are they constantly rewriting ideas and themes that actually are in the movies, only worse? Except racist superman not knowing black people, can you imagine if Snyder included that? Also lol, she's now blocking anyone that made a crack about hot cocoa tweet.
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Feb 13, 2019 15:47
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A lot of people are really big on the idea of subtext, but can't actually recognise it for themselves no matter how blatant it is.
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Feb 13, 2019 15:54
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of people are really big on the idea of subtext, but can't actually recognise it for themselves no matter how blatant it is. Not really subtext if it's blatantly obvious
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Feb 13, 2019 16:01
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McCloud posted:Snyderman is coded as working class in MoS and BvS, with Lex's Gala in BvS being the most blatant example of his relation to the working class. Not to mention that his first attempts at “hiding in plain sight” is to work on an oil rig or fishing trawler. He seeks out those jobs because it’s where he can best blend in - and, arguably, closest to the kind of farm life routine he grew up with.
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Feb 13, 2019 16:03
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Fart City posted:Not to mention that his first attempts at “hiding in plain sight” is to work on an oil rig or fishing trawler. He seeks out those jobs because it’s where he can best blend in - and, arguably, closest to the kind of farm life routine he grew up with. Also because they're extremely remote workplaces where there's hardly any other people around, which cuts down on the sensory overload. (Which is also a callback to his mother's advice of "Find a calm place out in the ocean" when he has that freakout at school)
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Feb 13, 2019 16:13
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Also because they're extremely remote workplaces where there's hardly any other people around, which cuts down on the sensory overload. That's a pretty good catch
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Feb 13, 2019 16:45
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I mean, Clark's whole thing in BvS is that he's constantly on Perry's case on why they aren't covering the plight of marginalized folk instead of some dumb one-sided football game. And Perry feeding him the 24-hour corporate news cycle bullshit of "that news doesn't sell".SolidSnakesBandana posted:While ignoring the fact that such an upbringing would almost certainly result in a Pro-Trump conservative. Imagine Superman coming to the defense of the Confederate flag, saying its about states rights Some folks just want the "All-American" Reagan-era Superman like in the Donner film. The proper Right-Wing approved version of the character.
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Feb 13, 2019 17:22
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Jimbot posted:I mean, Clark's whole thing in BvS is that he's constantly on Perry's case on why they aren't covering the plight of marginalized folk instead of some dumb one-sided football game. And Perry feeding him the 24-hour corporate news cycle bullshit of "that news doesn't sell". Hmmm, from my perspective, a lot internet nerds want Superman to be the perfect white liberal. He's against all of the usual -isms and-phobias, but he doesn't directly challenge systematic oppression or display any class consciousness. Even in that lady's dumb twitter thread, she doesn't portray Clark as someone who wants help marginalized people on a massive scale, he just whines to his mommy about the mean things he sees on twitter and not having any black friends.
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Feb 13, 2019 17:39
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McCloud posted:That's a pretty good catch He's loving working on the fishing trawler, just doing repetitive menial tasks and ignoring the hell out of everyone. That's why he doesn't hear the dude warning him when the cage was about to fall on his head. Also when he floats in the water reflecting on things after saving the workmen he spots a mother whale and calf swimming peacefully by, which is what triggers his memory of that time his mother told him to "find a quiet place in the ocean." (Also note that whales communicate over huge distances so they're pretty much constantly hearing songs from every whale in a radius of hundreds of miles, much like how Clark hears everyone around him unless he tunes them out. The whales seem pretty calm about it.)
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Feb 13, 2019 17:41
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Equeen posted:Hmmm, from my perspective, a lot internet nerds want Superman to be the perfect white liberal. He's against all of the usual -isms and-phobias, but he doesn't directly challenge systematic oppression or display any class consciousness. What I like about BvS's Clark is that he realizes that Superman is a controversial figure and while that disappoints him, he can only do so much in that very public persona. If he tried to promote socialism or bring attention to marginalized folk, the stigma that follows Superman would muddy the message - much like the act of saving people still brings about criticism. Jor-El very much wanted Superman to lead by example. Instead he tries to do what he can as Clark Kent, the reporter. If he's going to make any meaningful change, he has to do so as a human, not as a super powered demi-god.
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Feb 13, 2019 17:53
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That Forbes guy is saying that Leto's days as Joker are over, and so are any hopes of seeing Superman in the big screen any time soon. https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2019/02/13/why-the-future-of-dceu-movies-looks-brighter-than-ever/#22aebd535cc6
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Feb 13, 2019 20:30
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:While ignoring the fact that such an upbringing would almost certainly result in a Pro-Trump conservative. Imagine Superman coming to the defense of the Confederate flag, saying its about states rights Sounds like a Missourian treading on Jayhawk soil to me. There's a lot of those.
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Feb 13, 2019 21:17
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:That Forbes guy is saying that Leto's days as Joker are over, and so are any hopes of seeing Superman in the big screen any time soon. This is all just basic common sense. Leto's not coming back because they already recast the role for a solo movie that's filming as we speak. And that movie, a Wonder Woman sequel, and Shazaam are all on the slate already before they'd get back around to doing Superman again. So yea, we won't see Superman for at least 2-3 years but that's pretty much what everyone was expecting.
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Feb 13, 2019 21:21
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In theory there's also a solo Leto Joker movie in the works, which I don't expect will happen but is hilarious to think about.
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Feb 13, 2019 21:23
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:In theory there's also a solo Leto Joker movie in the works. Very few people actually believed that was ever really gonna get made.
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Feb 13, 2019 21:23
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Basebf555 posted:Leto's not coming back because they already recast the role for a solo movie that's filming as we speak. More than one! With different actors! So that didn't really mean Leto wasn't coming back for his own or for a movie with Harley. DC is Joker crazy right now.
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Feb 13, 2019 21:29
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Jimbot posted:Some folks just want the "All-American" Reagan-era Superman like in the Donner film. The proper Right-Wing approved version of the character. That's a really bad faith (or just ignorant) characterization of that version of Superman. I don't even really put those films on a pedestal or anything, it's just...inaccurate. e: The Reeves Superman run literally ends with forced worldwide nuclear disarmament lmao sean10mm fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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Feb 13, 2019 21:32
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sean10mm posted:e: The Reeves Superman run literally ends with forced worldwide nuclear disarmament lmao Disarmament turns out to be a big mistake though! 
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Feb 13, 2019 21:55
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McCloud posted:Ya'll remember that failed writer who wrote "tell that to zod's snapped neck" in a dumb attempt to "fix" BvS right? Of course you do! The gently caress?
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Feb 13, 2019 22:02
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That whole premise that "it's super easy to write a compelling Superman character" could only come from the perspective of someone who doesn't remember the 80s and 90s at all, where the most interesting thing about Superman was John Byrne having him kill and then the Doomsday series. That's it. The rest of the time it's totally forgettable and nobody cared about him, he was considered to be a big boring boy scout "who can do anything" Boy scout Superman had his chance. He's great as a symbol/folk-tale character but like Paul Bunyan, nobody really cares to read new stories about him.
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Feb 13, 2019 22:06
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The usual defense of that stuff is the implied pedagogy, like "teach my inner child" type stuff. Optimus Dad.
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Feb 13, 2019 22:09
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I want more stories about Superman going through ridiculous extremes to prevent his pal from learning his secret identity. "Look Superman! Someone laser etched a message across the moon. It says ,"Superman's secret identity is Clar-" *Superman punches the moon into pieces.* Please hire me, WB.
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Feb 13, 2019 22:13
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No joke there's an actual Krypton convict in the phantom zone for doing just that. Blowing up a Krypton moon, I mean. I think his name is Jax-Ur. You can see his handiwork in Man of Steel (the Krypton moon has a big chunk taken out of it)
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Feb 13, 2019 22:14
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Meaning michael bay should make the next superman.
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Feb 13, 2019 22:14
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:No joke there's an actual Krypton convict in the phantom zone for doing just that. Blowing up a Krypton moon, I mean. I think his name is Jax-Ur. You can see his handiwork in Man of Steel (the Krypton moon has a big chunk taken out of it) I learn something new about that wonderful movie everyday.
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Feb 13, 2019 22:16
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Uncle Wemus posted:Meaning michael bay should make the next superman. This would be amazing, though as Hundu brings up, it would be a bit redundant given we've already gotten his pentology of America's Super-Dad movies. Actual choice, Gareth Edwards, though, good for him, he's apparently stepped back from blockbuster filmmaking.
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Feb 13, 2019 22:24
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:No joke there's an actual Krypton convict in the phantom zone for doing just that. Blowing up a Krypton moon, I mean. I think his name is Jax-Ur. You can see his handiwork in Man of Steel (the Krypton moon has a big chunk taken out of it) The lead scientist Kryptonian in Man of Steel is Jax-Ur, I guess.
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Feb 13, 2019 22:27
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:That whole premise that "it's super easy to write a compelling Superman character" could only come from the perspective of someone who doesn't remember the 80s and 90s at all, where the most interesting thing about Superman was John Byrne having him kill and then the Doomsday series. That's it. The rest of the time it's totally forgettable and nobody cared about him, he was considered to be a big boring boy scout "who can do anything" The Justice League animated series team ran into this and were pretty surprised by it and had to make major changes for Season 2. They weren't expecting that so many fans would see Superman as this boring plot device that only served to get the other heroes out of a jam when they couldn't handle the big bad. He was by far the least popular character in Season 1 and they had to get creative in Season 2 to make him interesting again(whether they were successful is up for debate).
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Feb 13, 2019 22:30
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I said come in! posted:Joss Whedon just wanted to shove it in there because he thought it looked cool, but to be fair (even though I dont like being fair to Wheddon because he is a hack) all of the MCU movies do this quite a bit.
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FilthyImp posted:Smyder did the same with the iconic Batman jumping with lightning in the background for Beevs, nut he had the sense to keep it to a few quick frames instead of an extended slo-mo hero moment Unlike Whedon, Snyder actually made it look good though
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