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Glass of Milk posted:The main thing to me is securing the land. Eventually we're gonna want to build a hsr/hyperloop/whatever and the land costs aren't going to go down over time. For the ag land it probably will.
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Of course, ag land in the valley is literally going down. Due to subsistence. Because farmers keep overdrawing the aquafer.
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government land purchases are of course one of the biggest opportunities for nearly untraceable graft. it is a long american tradition
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Shear Modulus posted:government land purchases are of course one of the biggest opportunities for nearly untraceable graft. it is a long american tradition Aren't like half of all westerns "the train is coming through here and the local rich goons are trying to screw over the common man"?
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Shear Modulus posted:government land purchases are of course one of the biggest opportunities for nearly untraceable graft. it is a long american tradition Doubly so in the west where the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo meant that unverified and forged Mexican Land grants were enshrined in US law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Reavis
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Jaxyon posted:Aren't like half of all westerns "the train is coming through here and the local rich goons are trying to screw over the common man"? 
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Look out folks, Trump is coming for his money: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1095857587344551936
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We only pretend the cities in the central valley are small because we're comparing them to places like LA and SF Fresno is larger than the largest city in 28 states, Bakersfield in 22 states, and Modesto in 18 states, and they're the largest cities in the US not on an interstate. Fresno is bigger than Sacramento, it sucks that this is gonna be central valley only, but they deserve infrastructure too. And maybe, if we build them that poo poo,m we won't have to do a crazy route when we try to connect LA to SF
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The Glumslinger posted:Modesto in 18 states well thats just depressing for those 18 states
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The Glumslinger posted:We only pretend the cities in the central valley are small because we're comparing them to places like LA and SF It's probably getting funded in the future anyhow.
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Just build the trains oh my God I don't care if it doesn't benefit me in the big city. Just build more trains. Build them. Use my taxes. loving use them. Make infrastructure
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well thats just depressing for those 18 states Yeah, but they have the same amount of senators as us.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Just build the trains oh my God I don't care if it doesn't benefit me in the big city. Just build more trains. Build them. Use my taxes. loving use them. Make infrastructure No
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Look, building high speed rail is just too expensive, that’s why we should spend way more money to convert the 99 to an interstate, add new lanes to the 5, 14, and 580 because this time adding lanes will fix traffic, bulldoze half of Atherton to build a additional airport in the Bay Area, add a 3rd and 4th runway to Burbank and John Wayne Airports, as well as lengthen the runways at John Wayne to handle future travel demand.
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Instant Sunrise posted:Look, building high speed rail is just too expensive, that’s why we should spend way more money to convert the 99 to an interstate, add new lanes to the 5, 14, and 580 because this time adding lanes will fix traffic, bulldoze half of Atherton to build a additional airport in the Bay Area, add a 3rd and 4th runway to Burbank and John Wayne Airports, as well as lengthen the runways at John Wayne to handle future travel demand. Hear me out here... what if, instead, we just gave all that money to existing homeowners and cut their property taxes? That'd solve the problem too, right? *gets re-elected*
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Who could have predicted that he'd exploit this totally unforced mistake??
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Danann posted:This line of logic that demands that welfare is to be means tested and perfectly matched to need is the source of every loving "perverse incentive" in American implementation of welfare. It is absolutely bonkers that they even have to worry about losing healthcare, scholarships, etc... Earning more should always be better even if just marginally so. E: oops I missed 2 pages of train chat. CopperHound fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Feb 14, 2019 |
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I'm sorry the only infrastructure possible is toll-roads that privatize profits.
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I think it's just a matter of shifting priorities. CAHSR was the kind of product that made sense when it seemed like "well of course federal universal health care is an inevitability" and it looked like the GOP wasn't going anywhere so all worries about future federal funding wouldn't be an issue. Turns out they actually made good traction on the idea that only people who can afford to keep living should live and we're better off without the people who can't, with potential of seizing power and setting the federal government back 40 years, so the new California trend is state-run single-payer to immunize itself against conservative administrations to come. The train can be enjoyed by the cowpoke counties, the next big California project is giving everyone Doctors visits while the rest of the country plans to gut their poorest.
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Instant Sunrise posted:Look, building high speed rail is just too expensive, that’s why we should spend way more money to convert the 99 to an interstate, add new lanes to the 5, 14, and 580 because this time adding lanes will fix traffic, bulldoze half of Atherton to build a additional airport in the Bay Area, add a 3rd and 4th runway to Burbank and John Wayne Airports, as well as lengthen the runways at John Wayne to handle future travel demand. I’m still real pissed they didn’t convert the old El Toro military base into a new OC airport and instead they just built a bunch of overpriced houses. The infrastructure was already there you morons!
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Craptacular! posted:the next big California project is giving everyone Doctors visits while the rest of the country plans to gut their poorest. Nah we're just gonna bus the poor and ill into nevada, probably at their own expense 
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Craptacular! posted:The train can be enjoyed by the cowpoke counties, the next big California project is giving everyone Doctors visits while the rest of the country plans to gut their poorest. Isn't that... optimistic? I mean last time Rendon deep-sixed SB-562. Is Gavin going to push it that hard, or just simply make more favorable noises when compared to Brown? Unless you think the makeup of the state congressfolk is going to shift that drastically?
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Speaking of which, that poo poo needs to get going again.
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Until they solve the (likely unsolvable) structural issues, no one is going to attach their name to it.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Until they solve the (likely unsolvable) structural issues This really sums up your posts. You really are the epitome of that parody "a better world isn't possible" tweet about centrists.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:This really sums up your posts. You really are the epitome of that parody "a better world isn't possible" tweet about centrists. People who want to enact state level single payer healthcare have no way to force the Federal government to give them greater control of the Medicare and VA money/patient populations. They have no way to force drug companies to offer price reductions. They have to convince people to vote to give up their current healthcare. There is no practical plan to prevents citizens of other states from coming to California for expensive medical care without excluding the homeless and illegal immigrants. These are very difficult problems. The fact that I cannot think of a good solution for any of them does not mean that I am somehow wrong for bringing them up, or that these problems should not be acknowledged.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I don't understand your complaint. The world isn't the way it is because a bunch of guys who look like Rich Uncle Pennybags sit around a smoke-filled room and ask each other, "how can we make things bad?" Problems are often extremely complex, and difficult, and not amenable to popular solutions, which is itself a problem in a democracy. If someone asks me how they can lose weight without changing their diet, the answer is going to be "lots of exercise" irrespective of whether or not that's something they want to do. This argument is bad, because you're wrong about weight loss, because they might not lose weight with the exercise, and if they want to lose a lot of weight without dieting they see a dietician who can help them do just that. Turtlicious fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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Turtlicious posted:This argument is bad, because you're wrong about weight loss, because they might not lose weight with the exercise, and if they want to lose a lot of weight without dieting they see a nutritionist who can help them do just that.
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Dead Reckoning posted:In California, a dietitian is a licensed professional. A nutritionist is anyone willing to give you advice about food who wants to hang a shingle. I'm curious what you think a dietitian does in a 1-on-1 consult with a patient other than "make suggestions about changes to your diet (or lifestyle) in order to meet health goals."  I'm really glad you like to get pedantic when you're wrong, I've lost 120lbs seeing my Dietician, and the one thing she repeatedly said was that dieting wasn't work. But also, I know you don't like being told you're wrong even when you are so I can't engage with you. Since you're unwilling to ever change your mind, or do anything but be a dick to people. I'm not going to put myself through the mental anguish of debating you. Please don't take this personally, because I beliebe you can post better. E: You also kind of proven you don't know the difference between eating a healthy diet and dieting. Turtlicious fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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also wrong about rich people not sitting around asking each other how best to make the world worse https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unredacted-lawsuit-against-oxycontin-maker-reveals-they-pushed-opioid-low-n965721 i could also post links from the oil and gas industry, the private school industry, the private prison industry, the 'defense' industry, commercial fishing, telecommunications, bottled water companies, the chemical industry, industrial agriculture ESPECIALLY here in california and go on for-loving ever with examples of how actually yes, a lot of the ways the world is like it is is because capital embodied in rich fucks in boardrooms benefit from and actively advance the misery and deprivation of humanity we can cure hep c right now. it could be wiped out in our lifetime if it didn't benefit a handful of executives to maintain a hep c treatment industry atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:In California, a dietitian is a licensed professional. A nutritionist is anyone willing to give you advice about food who wants to hang a shingle. I'm curious what you think a dietitian does in a 1-on-1 consult with a patient other than "make suggestions about changes to your diet (or lifestyle) in order to meet health goals." Yes, but the curriculum for dietitians is pretty much what agribusiness wants it to be. example: quote:The Foundation’s Future of Food initiative began in 2012 as a collaboration with the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics Foundation, Feeding America and National Dairy Council. The initial work of this collaboration engaged nutrition and hunger relief professionals to increase awareness about food insecurity while promoting access to healthy food and quality nutrition education in food banks. I Dairy is poo poo for health (and the environment). Limit it or eliminate it from your diet. Casein is a tumor promoter for one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4166373/
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atelier morgan posted:also wrong about rich people not sitting around asking each other how best to make the world worse I was about to post something like this, but then I read the warning label next to Dead's posts. Still worth remembering that people you've never met are actively working hard to gently caress you.
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So California has had more rain so far this year than last entire year.
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Jaxyon posted:So California has had more rain so far this year than last entire year. This is what we saw during rain season 2017 too and then 2018 came
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https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1096553514061520896 You might remember Redding from when the Carr fire nearly burned it down
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Tuxedo Gin posted:still need a shitload more to even come close to replenishing most groundwater tables across the state Like about a decade straight of this. The central valley farmers have been overpumping that "free" groundwater since the 1920s.
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