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JustJeff88 posted:I'm guessing that the state expected them to pay some tax? the opposite - big companies like this tend to extort localities for sweet breaks on taxes and even subsidies if necessary, and NYC wasn't willing to play ball
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Doctor Butts posted:Crystal Pepsi did it all on its own. Stephen Denny published an interview with former Coca-Cola Chief Marketing Officer Sergio Zyman that stated the formation and subsequent failure of Tab Clear was a deliberate move to destroy Crystal Pepsi, capitalizing on the public's lack of understanding of Pepsi's heavily marketed product. Tab Clear was marketed as a diet drink, which were less popular than traditional colas, and the Tab brand in general was seen as an inferior product to flagships like Coca-Cola or Pepsi. With Tab Clear being placed in such close proximity to Crystal Pepsi, the image of both brands would be damaged in what Zyman called a "kamikaze" strategy. "This is like a cola," Zyman explained, "but it doesn't have any color. It has all this great taste. And we said, 'No, Crystal Pepsi is actually a diet drink.' Even though it wasn't. Because Tab had the attributes of diet, which was its demise. That was its problem. It was perceived to be a medicinal drink. Within three or five months, Tab Clear was dead. And so was Crystal Pepsi."
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Feb 14, 2019 18:04
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luxury handset posted:the opposite - big companies like this tend to extort localities for sweet breaks on taxes and even subsidies if necessary, and NYC wasn't willing to play ball So the local government wasn't going to essentially pay them to underpay and brutally overwork their people while making billions already... how dare they!
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Feb 14, 2019 18:09
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Big Mad Drongo posted:Haha get hosed Amazon. Yeah, sure chief, we believe you. 
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Feb 14, 2019 18:21
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Wow Amazon became a toxic brand practically overnight (or, perhaps in the span of four years). Taking a lot of attention off how poo poo Walmart is in the popular consciousness, for instance. Really hard to spin this as anything but a spectacular failure at PR. Maybe they'll learn to get their tax breaks done on the DL like normal companies instead of pretending their poo poo is golden. I really get the sense that the culture at Amazon is arrogant at this point, probably not unlike Microsoft in the 90's.
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ryonguy posted:https://blog.aboutamazon.com/company-news/update-on-plans-for-new-york-city-headquarters Yeah, sure chief, we believe you. [/quote] "If only MORE of the vast majority of people appropriately fluffed us then maybe we would have stayed"
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Wow Amazon became a toxic brand practically overnight (or, perhaps in the span of four years). I couldn't finish this because it was making me genuinely ill, but all I read was "We are a bunch of self-aggrandizing sociopaths who look down on anyone who isn't willing to destroy their mental and physical health for the sake of finding more ways to get people to shop (and make us more money)." Articles like these remind me that, for all of my flaws, there are much greater depths that people can sink to in the name of so-called "innovation", which of course means "profit". I take things like this as a warning that love of money is the root of all evil and to always be wary of that most vile of human emotions, greed.
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JustJeff88 posted:I couldn't finish this because it was making me genuinely ill, but all I read was "We are a bunch of self-aggrandizing sociopaths who look down on anyone who isn't willing to destroy their mental and physical health for the sake of finding more ways to get people to shop (and make us more money)." I posted this because it was a really big deal at the time, especially locally here in Seattle. From this point onward the drumbeat against Amazon has gotten louder and louder. It is one of NYtimes' most commented articles.
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Feb 14, 2019 21:18
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DrNutt posted:They actually did a rerelease last year. I ran out and bought some and it was okay I guess but not enough for me to waste insulin on it. Thank you so much! I loved crystal Pepsi growing up and it turns out our local Targets still have some. Will do a trip report.
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JustJeff88 posted:So the local government wasn't going to essentially pay them to underpay and brutally overwork their people while making billions already... how dare they! The local government already agreed to a bunch of giveaways. They had been approved to receive tax breaks of $2.8b if everything went as planned and even up to $5.5b if they hire more workers. All while their subway system continues to crumble. There was then a grassroots effort after the announcement (highlighted by AOC) to get the agreement pulled and Amazon backed out due to pressure from the community. A good win for the locals.
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If it means tens of thousands of more tech workers in the Virginia office instead too its probably good for America as a whole. Moving another load of Democrat voters there will help keep the state blue for presidential elections, and its two senators Democratic.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I posted this because it was a really big deal at the time, especially locally here in Seattle. From this point onward the drumbeat against Amazon has gotten louder and louder. It is one of NYtimes' most commented articles. FCKGW posted:The local government already agreed to a bunch of giveaways. They had been approved to receive tax breaks of $2.8b if everything went as planned and even up to $5.5b if they hire more workers. All while their subway system continues to crumble. Good. If there is any greater indicator of the degeneracy and "race to the bottom" reality of current global economic systems, the idea that a massivele profitable company worth tens of billions should be applauded for wanting to come into an area, create a bunch of poor-paying and inhumane jobs, piss on the environment and then give nothing back to the community while raking in more billions. The only way to stop it is public outcry, because politicians are entirely in their pockets and they will only do something if they fear repercussions for not doing so. Beachcomber posted:Thank you so much! I loved crystal Pepsi growing up and it turns out our local Targets still have some. Will do a trip report. I understood it to be the case that Crystal Pepsi was supposed to taste like standard blue-can Pepsi without the colour. Either I'm wrong about this or something is wrong with my tongue because I've had two bottles fairly recently and they don't taste like Pepsi to me. They're not at all bad, they just don't taste like Pepsi.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Wow Amazon became a toxic brand practically overnight (or, perhaps in the span of four years). Taking a lot of attention off how poo poo Walmart is in the popular consciousness, for instance. Came to post basically this. It's crazy how relatively fast they've gotten people to hate them.
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JustJeff88 posted:I understood it to be the case that Crystal Pepsi was supposed to taste like standard blue-can Pepsi without the colour. Either I'm wrong about this or something is wrong with my tongue because I've had two bottles fairly recently and they don't taste like Pepsi to me. They're not at all bad, they just don't taste like Pepsi. No, it never was supposed to taste just like standard Pepsi. It always tasted different.
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Neo Rasa posted:Came to post basically this. It's crazy how relatively fast they've gotten people to hate them. I think a big factor in this is that Amazon has progressively given less poo poo about the consumer. With fake products, fake reviews, prime shipping shenanigans, contract shippers losing/stealing poo poo all builds to people disliking the company. All of those things have been getting amplified over the years and paired with prime membership cost increases.
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OhFunny posted:Eddie Lambert resigned as Chairman of Sears today. Wunderbar! It won't save Sears or their few remaining grossly underpaid employees, but literally nothing is too bad to happen to that Randian shitstain. I will say nothing more about him as I'm afraid that I will be banned. Silly Burrito posted:No, it never was supposed to taste just like standard Pepsi. It always tasted different. That's good to know, thank you. I actually feel better because I was wondering if age was stealing my sense of taste already even though I have never smoked and loathe spicy food. As I've aged, I've been losing my youthful fondness for sugared soda. I still love carbonated beverages, both alcoholic and not, but my weakness now is diet soda. I just like bubbles. Neo Rasa posted:Came to post basically this. It's crazy how relatively fast they've gotten people to hate them. I hope that it continues. Don't misconstrue... I fully realise that any sizeable corporation is just as guilty of being awful as any other - it's the nature of the world economic system - but Amazon and Walmart are the biggest fish, therefore the biggest bastards and deserve the most venom.
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JustJeff88 posted:I hope that it continues. Don't misconstrue... I fully realise that any sizeable corporation is just as guilty of being awful as any other - it's the nature of the world economic system - but Amazon and Walmart are the biggest fish, therefore the biggest bastards and deserve the most venom. I don't think that's at all true. Walmart continues to break new ground in ways to gently caress people over and try to create a literal debt peonage class in the US, and Amazon seems hell-bent on "innovating" all new ways to gently caress their employees and customers over. Nordstroms, or Costco, are both decent sized corporations that have decided that treating their employees and customers decently is a business strategy, and it has worked relatively well for both of them.
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JustJeff88 posted:Wunderbar! It won't save Sears or their few remaining grossly underpaid employees, but literally nothing is too bad to happen to that Randian shitstain. I will say nothing more about him as I'm afraid that I will be banned. He still owns Sears, though, this is a move to restore confidence on the part of the company's creditors.
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JustJeff88 posted:I was stunned to see a few bottles of that recently at remote shops. I had a bit and it wasn't bad, I was just gobsmacked to still see it. See also: Zima, Surge. JustJeff88 posted:Good. If there is any greater indicator of the degeneracy and "race to the bottom" reality of current global economic systems, the idea that a massivele profitable company worth tens of billions should be applauded for wanting to come into an area, create a bunch of poor-paying and inhumane jobs, piss on the environment and then give nothing back to the community while raking in more billions. The bigger issue is that regardless of whether Amazon's presence in the area would be a net gain or loss (I'm inclined to think net gain) or whether the tax incentives would be made back (they probably would), the city should not be groveling to the tune of billions of dollars for it.
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OneEightHundred posted:The problem in Amazon's case is not that the jobs are bad, it's that the jobs are good, and will gently caress the housing market sideways. If they had not done the most arrogant thing possible by turning an expansion office into a national contest in which community leaders grovel before Lord Bezos, we might not even be hearing about this. Now the media is laser-focused on it, helping it to become a political issue. If it wasn't Bezos himself who thought of this idea, whichever executive did is being led to the agony booth right now. This is what they have to show for a year or so of work. They will still take poo poo when they move it around. If a recession hits before they can sort that out, they may have lost years. Also not helping: - The Amazon office culture still has a toxic reputation - The Amazon delivery culture is worse than toxic - The company's philanthropy is pathetic, considering its scale - The selling community on Amazon is the wild west - Anyone from Seattle can tell you that Amazon's political and infrastructural influence on the city has been a giant negative
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People are finally getting a clue as to just how much they are being robbed at a state and local level in the name of "business incentives" and Amazon definitely hosed this one up
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pseudanonymous posted:I don't think that's at all true. Walmart continues to break new ground in ways to gently caress people over and try to create a literal debt peonage class in the US, and Amazon seems hell-bent on "innovating" all new ways to gently caress their employees and customers over. One of the most amazing things I ever read was a list of the top 10 grocery retailers by... I forget the exact metrics, but whatever they used pegged Costco at number three. The main thrust of the piece was giving each number a couple paragraphs on how they achieved such success. It ended up laid out something like this: 1. Walmart 2. Target 4. Kroger etc. 
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RIP Payless, closing all stores: https://www.fastcompany.com/90308648/what-2100-payless-store-closures-say-about-the-death-of-fast-fashion
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OneEightHundred posted:They've been doing some periodic runs of it lately in response to some retro enthusiasm. There's some irony in that the retro enthusiasm exists in large part because the product failed. Hope that means the Archburger comes back. That was McDonalds only burger I ever liked and I wasn't even an adult when it debuted.
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devmd01 posted:RIP Payless, closing all stores: I'm sad that this, well, saddens me. As a man with huge feet who doesn't give a toss about fashion and only cares about plain black shoes that keep his feet warm and dry, they were grand. I genuinely am not sure where I'm going to get shoes from now on, and I've stocked up as I knew that this was coming. My one pair of winter boots needs replacing (I'd have them repaired if that was still a thing) and I can't nearly afford a really expensive but well-made pair of men's winter boots like in certain speciality shops.
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JustJeff88 posted:I'm sad that this, well, saddens me. As a man with huge feet who doesn't give a toss about fashion and only cares about plain black shoes that keep his feet warm and dry, they were grand. I genuinely am not sure where I'm going to get shoes from now on, and I've stocked up as I knew that this was coming. My one pair of winter boots needs replacing (I'd have them repaired if that was still a thing) and I can't nearly afford a really expensive but well-made pair of men's winter boots like in certain speciality shops. Internet, and repairing shoes is definitely still a thing.
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HootTheOwl posted:Internet, and repairing shoes is definitely still a thing. I reeeeaaallly don't like buying any type of clothes online as I cannot try them on first and it's usually both costly and a pain in the arse to exchange/refund. As for the latter bit, I will look into it. Haven't a seen a shoemaker/cobbler/Duke of Wellington in yonks. By the way, I am aware that Arthur Wellesley didn't invent wellies, he just made them famous.
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JustJeff88 posted:I reeeeaaallly don't like buying any type of clothes online as I cannot try them on first and it's usually both costly and a pain in the arse to exchange/refund. As for the latter bit, I will look into it. Haven't a seen a shoemaker/cobbler/Duke of Wellington in yonks. Lemme just say if a shurt doesnt fit from amazon i usually buy a new one and toss the old one. The process of returning poo poo is way to time consuming
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Lemme just say if a shurt doesnt fit from amazon i usually buy a new one and toss the old one. The process of returning poo poo is way to time consuming Wow you're either stupid rich or stupid with money.
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poo poo POST MALONE posted:Wow you're either stupid rich or stupid with money. You really dont need to be stupid rich to do this its pretty great and it makes online shopping easy I just dont really want to go drive to the loving post office to drop off a shirt The amount of time wasted doing this is the same as the cost.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:You really dont need to be stupid rich to do this its pretty great and it makes online shopping easy Not caring about the money makes you stupid rich in comparison to everyone else hth
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:You really dont need to be stupid rich to do this its pretty great and it makes online shopping easy The arch sin of Consumption manifest as a poster on the Something Awful forums. Interesting hell world we're experiencing here folks.
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HootTheOwl posted:repairing shoes is definitely still a thing. Uh no. Unless you live in some strange Brigadoon--esque 1950's town that manifests only enough to get internet service.
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The last time I bought shoes on Amazon I did have problems with poor sizing variance and actually sent back two pairs. It was really easy. Amazon returns are getting easy to the point that you don't even need to box the item before you bring it back to UPS.
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ryonguy posted:Uh no. Unless you live in some strange Brigadoon--esque 1950's town that manifests only enough to get internet service. The shoe repair store Seattle proper is staffed by some of the most talented, oddly pierced folk. Had my nice boots resoled for 40$ and back in 3 days. Nice boots are absolutely worth the investment over time.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Hope that means the Archburger comes back. That was McDonalds only burger I ever liked and I wasn't even an adult when it debuted. If you live near a McDonalds Hamburger University location you can get one
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