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ekuNNN posted:https://i.imgur.com/JpcRKtC.gifv I thought this was gonna be like the one where debris goes flying and takes out the camera but then I noticed the guy in the shadows trying his hardest to be turned into a smear. 
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Feb 17, 2019 02:33
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:Foone did a good thread about normalization of deviance and the Challenger disaster Does this guy think that universities haven't thought of that? I had a class that was a semester just on Challenger, Chernobyl, and Exxon Valdez and the techniques used to analyze the things that led to them happening
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Feb 17, 2019 02:47
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Hey man, he read about Challenger and then got a Great Idea™ to teach people about it.
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Feb 17, 2019 02:53
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I've learned more than anyone about every disaster from this and the chemistry thread, I'm the expert your mom warned you about.
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Feb 17, 2019 02:57
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oh my god he replied to it with like dozens of posts where he thinks he totally just solved failure analysis
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Feb 17, 2019 02:59
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Feb 17, 2019 03:16
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I'm not really seeing the distinction between these two. People often have a reckless disregard for safety because they have a false feeling of safety due to a lack of immediate consequences. Notably, Holland was flying at 2 knots below the stall speed for the B-52 at the angle he was flying. That's how close to the edge he liked to be. He was never going to be happy until he got himself, and whoever happened to be on the aircraft with him at the time, killed. I think he also almost crashed a B-52 into the crowd at his daughter's soccer match or something once.
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Feb 17, 2019 03:19
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The sheer arrogance emanating from this is astounding and I dearly hope that your stupidity doesn't get anyone else killed along with your dumb rear end.
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Feb 17, 2019 03:21
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:Notably, Holland was flying at 2 knots below the stall speed for the B-52 at the angle he was flying. Sure, but I think a bigger problem is that when you bank 90 degrees in a B-52 all the airspeed in the world isn't going to stop you from falling out of the sky.
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Feb 17, 2019 03:32
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Ultraklystron posted:A variation of the notion that any computer science major that didn't learn about the Therac-25 disaster as a mandatory part of their coursework probably shouldn't be writing code professionally until they do. It's amazing how immediately dangerous bad code in certain applications can be. They should also know why you should always mount a scratch monkey.
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Feb 17, 2019 03:39
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BattleMaster posted:oh my god he replied to it with like dozens of posts where he thinks he totally just solved failure analysis You're looking at this with your eyes, that are attached to the brain of a professional, experienced engineer*. That's not who foone is writing for, and most people outside specialised fields have no idea that this is how a lot of things run. Like the guy upthread who should have a picture of himself at every worksite on the planet with a caption underneath saying "if you see me trying to get in here, shoot me in the kneecaps". Failure analysis is something most lay-people a) have no idea about and b) will probably find interesting to read about. Like the article I've linked in this thread before about the loss of the Columbia. *you're an engineer, right? Apologies if I have this wrong. Edit: just found out that the eruv covering a large part of the Bagel Belt in Melbourne is partially made up of wire mounted on tram cables, so there's a disclaimer saying you can only walk on the inner footpath of those streets on the boundary. Memento fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 03:51
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mllaneza posted:They should also know why you should always mount a scratch monkey. Does the jargon file still have that appendix where it says nerds are superior human beings because they like thai food? When I noticed that bit for the first time I deleted my copy (this was in the nineties). e: It does holy gently caress kill all nerds.
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Feb 17, 2019 03:54
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I thought you can do anything through a hole in a sheet and be AOK under Jewish law? source, The State hole in a sheet skit...
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Feb 17, 2019 04:51
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Cojawfee posted:If they were able to change "wall" to "wire" once, why don't they just change the rules again to something easier to deal with? legally the wire mounted on poles is a series of thresholds. it evolved from the idea that an open door doesnt stop something being a domicile, so a series of open doors shouldnt either.
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Feb 17, 2019 04:55
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Ah! here it is. the state, hole in a sheet: https://youtu.be/qRNlxBuB9jM
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Feb 17, 2019 05:07
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fakeaccount posted:Why didn't god or allah or Bob or whoever wrote these rules include stipulations for this poo poo? stipulations for what? capitalism evolving to the point where people work themselves literally to death? these rules existed before the invention of capital. the question is, "why doesn't modern society include stipulations for not having to work ourselves to death?
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Feb 17, 2019 05:10
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If God were all‐knowing, he could have seen capital coming.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:12
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Hugh Malone posted:I thought you can do anything through a hole in a sheet and be AOK under Jewish law? I think that was from the short-lived UCB TV show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNlxBuB9jM BattleMaster posted:oh my god he replied to it with like dozens of posts where he thinks he totally just solved failure analysis Also, in true internet fashion, it eventually dissolves into talking about spoon theory and how (self-diagnosed) ADHD just makes things so damned hard!
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Feb 17, 2019 05:15
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Platystemon posted:If God were all‐knowing, he could have seen capital coming. G-d made the devil and just washed th--r hands afterwards G-d: what did you do to my nothing. Shaitan: nothing G-d: really. really? because it looks like there's a world here. Shaitan: maaaaaaybe G-d: a world covered in sapient beings. (Shaitan looks away) G-d: did you give the monkeys anxiety. G-d: again.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:20
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Memento posted:You're looking at this with your eyes, that are attached to the brain of a professional, experienced engineer*. That's not who foone is writing for, and most people outside specialised fields have no idea that this is how a lot of things run. Like the guy upthread who should have a picture of himself at every worksite on the planet with a caption underneath saying "if you see me trying to get in here, shoot me in the kneecaps". Yeah I'm a nuclear engineer but I've drifted more towards health physics than on designing nuclear plants. The guy isn't really wrong about anything he's saying, it's just his attitude that he's discovered something new and holy poo poo why aren't universities teaching this?! universities ARE teaching this stuff! Like maybe silicon valley tech bros just do whatever they feel like, no deeper thought put into it, no examination of history, drat the consequences when there are VC dollars to be had, but real professional engineers take the possibility of harm to workers and the public very seriously and study it extensively.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:49
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packetmantis posted:The sheer arrogance emanating from this is astounding and I dearly hope that your stupidity doesn't get anyone else killed along with your dumb rear end. He's probably drunkposting or trolling or both- I'm not sure of any other reason why he would post the OSHA attitude equivalent of going to the top of a mountain in a storm while wearing plate armor and cursing the gods in the OSHA thread.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:56
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Hell's Kitchen is apparently on fire underground No, really. https://twitter.com/DiscreetLatino/status/1096936098281017345?s=19
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Feb 17, 2019 06:09
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Yeah showing you a bunch of poo poo that went wrong and explaining why is a bit part of engineering school. Some of my field trips included mulholland's dam that failed and killed hundreds of people, various places along the san andreas fault, and some houses that needed serious engineering work to not get washed into the ocean or slide off a hill. I've been meaning to track down a copy of normal accidents. Why buildings fall down is a good one that is more geared toward non-engineers.
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Feb 17, 2019 06:14
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None of my engineering degrees included a failure analysis course, which is frankly criminal and it should be required as part of the certification process for engineering schools. We touched on the concepts briefly in other courses, but there was no rigorous description. Luckily I work in research and professional engineering, so at WORST something going wrong with one of my experiments is just going to kill me and a few coworkers and not any members of the public. (Also we're very safe and have never had any serious injuries, unlike the guys down the road who set their lab on fire. Or the other guy at a different site who almost blew off a fingat.) For actual thread content, if only slightly, my funniest OSHA story was when the university safety people came out to evaluate our lab. They took one look at our gas guns, both of which pointed out the window and one of which got up to 300+ m/s, and shrug, because none of the university regs covered gas guns. They cared much more about the fact that our fume hoods were open too wide. We never used the fume hoods; they were left over from when the lab was a chemistry lab and not an engineering lab.
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Feb 17, 2019 06:23
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Safe design seems like it's hit a rough bump as far as university education goes. Like yeah, you learn about safety margins and ethical design. But root cause analysis is very psychological and very consultancy of the month based in industry. It's grey across much too much and is basically why I noped out of serious engineering.
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Feb 17, 2019 06:35
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sneakyfrog posted:if there is not a awesome jewish catburglar taking advantage of this massive private domicile rules lawyering im going to be very sad. my mind instantly went to public indecent exposure. what im not allowed to piss in my own home? what do you mean this isnt my private domicle i put up a eruv let me continue pissing in the streets.
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Feb 17, 2019 06:39
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snergle posted:my mind instantly went to public indecent exposure. what im not allowed to piss in my own home? what do you mean this isnt my private domicle i put up a eruv let me continue pissing in the streets. No because then you'd be breaking one of the four thousand laws about how to go to the bathroom. quote:Behind a fence one may ease himself immediately; in an open field, so long as he can break wind without anyone hearing it. Issi ben Nathan reported thus: Behind a fence, as long as he can break wind without anyone hearing it; in a open field, as long as he cannot be seen by anyone. An objection was raised: [The watchers] may go out by the door of the olive press and ease themselves behind a fence [immediately] and they [the olives] remain clean! — For the sake of ritual purity they made a concession. Come and hear: How far can one go without affecting the cleanness [of the olive press]? Any distance as long as he can still see it! — The case of food-stuffs prepared in purity is different, as the Rabbis made a concession for them. Rabbi Ashi said: What is meant by the words 'as long as he cannot be seen by anyone' used by Issi ben Nathan? As long as the exposed part of his body cannot be seen; but the man himself may be seen.
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Feb 17, 2019 06:50
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Ugly In The Morning posted:In the Talmud theres a story about some rabbis out-ruleslawyering god, who, IIRC, thinks its hilarious. Link/citation/chapter plz, that sounds amazing VV protects you from the weather, close enough 
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Feb 17, 2019 06:51
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my favorite shabbos rule is that it's forbidden to open an umbrella because it's categorized as erecting a tent
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Feb 17, 2019 07:15
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Sagebrush posted:my favorite shabbos rule is that it's forbidden to open an umbrella because it's categorized as erecting a tent Mine is possibly the tradition of the shabbos goy. Keep a gentile around in case you need poo poo done on the Sabbath, but be circumspect about it. Don't complain about how the furnace needs to be turned up, instead just mention it feels a little cold and let the goyim volunteer to nudge your thermostat up a couple of degrees.
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Feb 17, 2019 07:25
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Nth Doctor posted:Mine is possibly the tradition of the shabbos goy. Keep a gentile around in case you need poo poo done on the Sabbath, but be circumspect about it. Don't complain about how the furnace needs to be turned up, instead just mention it feels a little cold and let the goyim volunteer to nudge your thermostat up a couple of degrees. Be My Little Shabbos Goy
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Feb 17, 2019 07:30
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Nuevo posted:Link/citation/chapter plz, that sounds amazing https://www.torahinmotion.org/discussions-and-blogs/bava-metzia-59-torah-is-not-in-heaven
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endlessmonotony posted:There's also a reason I never leave anything unsafe anywhere other people could stumble upon it. I may have no fear of death but assuming other people don't as well is just being a total dick. It's a good thing that - unlike all those idiots - you are infallible and will never forget to put away the unsafe stuff. Do all of the people that you work with know that you don't care about dying, so if they think you're in trouble, it's no big deal, and they shouldn't rush to help you because they might get electrocuted too? I mean checking for danger should always be the first thing you do in such cases, but I think anyone you work with really needs this drilled into them.
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Feb 17, 2019 08:45
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Sagebrush posted:my favorite shabbos rule is that it's forbidden to open an umbrella because it's categorized as erecting a tent You just know this happened because someone made an umbrella the size of a tent.
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Feb 17, 2019 08:50
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Nuevo posted:Link/citation/chapter plz, that sounds amazing Oven of Akhnai, it was posted upthread
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Feb 17, 2019 09:22
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:stipulations for what? capitalism evolving to the point where people work themselves literally to death? these rules existed before the invention of capital. the question is, "why doesn't modern society include stipulations for not having to work ourselves to death? chitoryu12 posted:Especially observant Jews are not allowed to bring things from a private dwelling more than 4 cubits (about 2 meters) into the public during the Sabbath. Obviously, this would make doing basically any normal person thing on a Sunday (like carrying your keys, pushing a stroller, or going outside with your medication) virtually impossible.
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Feb 17, 2019 12:40
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Jerry Cotton posted:Does the jargon file still have that appendix where it says nerds are superior human beings because they like thai food? When I noticed that bit for the first time I deleted my copy (this was in the nineties). Is that an ESR addition or was it in the original?
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Feb 17, 2019 13:06
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In my engineering courses I’ve seen the challenger mentioned In class an example probably 3 times. There was no explicitly failure analysis course but failure analysis is a huge part of several courses such as solid mechanics or statics or machine design. I Google “factor of safety” if you want to see how we are taught failure analysis. Essentially you are doubling or tripling your acceptable limits due to the material property unknowns or to compensate for your own assumptions. There was no explicit safety class except for the machine shop (you can’t use the shop without the osha safety course) but it is definitely a huge part of my education. I’ve probably done at least 12-20 Failure mode effects analysis inside my projects since I started and I’m about to finish. I’m by no means a safety expert but I’m shocked some other engineer students have said they saw zero safety stuff. E: also forgot all the finite element courses as well as the tensile strength labs in which we ripped steel apart. That was a fun course ethanol fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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I would have thought safety would be a required engineering course where you might engineer something unsafe. I did a "computer ethics" course with my CS degree and we learned about this nightmare hellwheel, the Therac-25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25  quote:The six documented accidents occurred when the high-current electron beam generated in X-ray mode was delivered directly to patients. Two software faults were to blame. One, when the operator incorrectly selected X-ray mode before quickly changing to electron mode, which allowed the electron beam to be set for X-ray mode without the X-ray target being in place. A second fault allowed the electron beam to activate during field-light mode, during which no beam scanner was active or target was in place.
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