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Arthil posted:Where does that end, though? Do I think they should have thought less of Mearls long before now? Yes I do. And do I think he should probably expect more than just an apology from Mearls? drat right I do. But I'm not gonna crucify him over that. There are people already trying to paint me as being an enabler for my defense of MonsterEnvy, which is absolutely loving ridiculous. But he explicitly did not understand. He was taking a position many people default to, and that position enables abusers. People here are very harsh, it is SA and also lots of people including myself have lost patience with people reciting the exact same platitudes that keep getting recited to help cover up misdeeds by allowing mealymouthed nonapologies to stand in for actual contrition and change.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 06:45 |
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I admit to being pretty harsh on MonsterEnvy when they say this kind of (gross, terrible) poo poo. But I don't enjoy it. It goes in the same category for me like failing a student. No I don't loving like it, but also no, that's wrong stop. No you can't redo the final, you're just wrong. Stop. You need to be an adult and admit when you're wrong. I actually am a big old wibbly teddy bear, but I don't think society should let people say openly false, harmful and wrong statements without recourse. Society as a whole has to tell people when they say ignorant/stupid/enabling/racist/sexist/I'm going to destroy my slash key but you get the idea. Personally, I try to be pretty polite in the beginning, but eventually you just have to be blunt and honest and possibly repetitive. Not as punishment, but just so people actually learn something. And, as has been said, MonsterEnvy has been doing this for five. God drat. Years. I want you to think about the amount of personal growth you've done in 5 years. Personally, I moved 3 times, changed a few jobs, got a nephew (and found out I kind of liked kids after all), visited 7 countries and went from some rando to being about to defend my PhD. MonsterEnvy hasn't managed to learn anything. (Also I don't just mean him, I do this to other people ; this is an example.)
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 06:48 |
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PST posted:So the new 'defend zak' has moved to reddit where 'Michelle' from his original defence blog post has suddenly created an account. I don't know Zak's writing style well enough to say if it's him (even with a photo it can still be him doing the writing) but the initial post was almost certainly done with him being involved. They seem mostly interested in defending him to the OSR types. I think the whole "Yes, it really is me guys!" thing made me sick to my stomach.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 06:49 |
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PST posted:So the new 'defend zak' has moved to reddit where 'Michelle' from his original defence blog post has suddenly created an account. I don't know Zak's writing style well enough to say if it's him (even with a photo it can still be him doing the writing) but the initial post was almost certainly done with him being involved. They seem mostly interested in defending him to the OSR types. I'm not an expert, and I am uncomfortable is leaping to the conclusion that Zak's defenders are fictional (and them being real doesn't help him much), but Zak has a particular habit of using dashes in his writing in the same way that those Reddit posts do. Edit: since I'm doing this dumb speculation, Zak doesn't use semicolons much but those posts do. thefakenews fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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Just-a-Ty (Quoting KingJanx) " he's apologetic" That's not anywhere in his statement. KingJanx He says "If I'd known there was something to apologize for, I would've immediately" ------- B.S.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 07:26 |
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thefakenews posted:MonsterEnvy has an amazing, almost unique, ability to combine terrible opinions with a striking inability communicate, but Jesus Christ, the way some of y'all talk to him is legitimately uncomfortable to read. I think it's more that they're tired of having this argument with him. Take a look at the old D&D 5e thread. This is the latest in a long line of discussions.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 07:59 |
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Liquid Communism posted:I think it's more that they're tired of having this argument with him. Take a look at the old D&D 5e thread. This is the latest in a long line of discussions. I’m quite familiar with that thread and MonsterEnvy’s terrible posting history.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 08:08 |
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I have argued with monsterenvy literally non stop since the opening of the 5e thread, and real talk leave him alone at this point. None of this poo poo is helping anyone, if his posting angers you that much hit the ignore button on him.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 08:09 |
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MonsterEnvy could stand to post less but I think some goons are getting uncomfortably close to bullying. Please stop talking about him now.
Ettin fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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Thanks again to those who responded to my earlier post asking about the whole Zak S saga. While I doubt it’ll do anything to anyone’s bottom line, they away a bunch of communal D and D books, and bought a copy of blades in the dark as well as torchbearer to put in the communal campground library. If you guys are ever around central Vic and want to climb a few 20s and roll some dice afterwords let me know!
PONEYBOY fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 09:48 |
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Raggi at LotFP's statement https://www.facebook.com/88524315885/posts/10156179503045886/ quote:Jim here. Let's get this over with. I wasn't actually expecting him to ditch Zak going forwards, but it looks as of the OSR backlash has been pretty big and he's been increasingly seen as toxic for that community even before Mandy, Hannah, Vivka and Jennifer revealed his abuse. Obviously he's made it all about him, and ends by thanking Zak, so he's still a wanker, but that will probably cut into Zak's future nerd-income a bit. PST fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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lol "Big thanks to my buddy who was outed as a rapist and abuser, I'll miss you fam" sure is a hell of a flex.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 12:07 |
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I especially enjoyed the snipe there at the end seemingly aimed at people who are glad that Zak was finally ousted after years of trying to get people to see him for what he is. His remarks about it being a "tragedy" seem largely aimed at the notion of not being able to sell Zak's poo poo anymore rather than like, the people who had to endure years of abuse at his hands while being enabled by industry figureheads including Raggi himself. Not surprised Raggi manages to gently caress even this up, just disappointed.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 12:08 |
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Yeah. *sigh*quote:Lets get this over with as well as pretty much the last half a dozen paragraphs. The real tragedy here is Raggi being inconvenienced.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 12:10 |
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Pundit's being preemptively crazy and threatening to publish "the Mearls emails" if they replace the Consultants credit but remove him alongside Zak to "placate the Stalinists." As if they'd want to invite even more controversy. What an actual pathetic loser. Personally, removing the credits feels more like rear end-covering and whitewashing than opprobrium.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 12:14 |
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MollyMetroid posted:bedlamdan and monsterenvy and plutonis are all posting in this very thread though I remember playing on your game. I don't see why the need to be snippy
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 12:15 |
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Goons are snakes, pass it on.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 12:18 |
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That Old Tree posted:Pundit's being preemptively crazy and threatening to publish "the Mearls emails" if they replace the Consultants credit but remove him alongside Zak to "placate the Stalinists." As if they'd want to invite even more controversy. What an actual pathetic loser. I think Tarnowski knows it won't happen, so this is just him posturing and a whole new round of 'look at me, I have super sekret information' because he's as much of a narcissist as Zak.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 12:21 |
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Goons are snakes, pass it on. I think we are mostly Millennials, yes. PST posted:I think Tarnowski knows it won't happen, so this is just him posturing and a whole new round of 'look at me, I have super sekret information' because he's as much of a narcissist as Zak. Probably, but I never discount the possibility that he's legitimately stupid instead of just pretending.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 12:24 |
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It's not stupid. It'll work exactly as he's intending it to where in the end his name stays in the product and the waters are further muddied about who did what with whom. Right now he gets to play tough guy by talking about emails and daring WotC to say "produce them, then", which they certainly won't because there's very much a chance that said emails exist and show that bad/dumb poo poo happened. Next year the message to the general public will be "they looked into all that and my name's still there so clearly I did nothing wrong". Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Goonssss are ssssssssssnakes, passsssssssssss it on. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 13:28 |
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Tarnowski still uses his consultant role to claim credit for "helping make" 5e in his Twitter profile. He's a fragile ego-monster and WotC downplaying Zak's importance is already hurting him by proxy. I'm not surprised he's lashing out like a child.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 13:33 |
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The irony being that the people who hate him and the people who hate Mearls want him to come out with his blackmail material. The only people who don't are those who want to maintain this fragile link between him and D&D to keep 5e 'legitimate'.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 13:41 |
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Wow, that Raggi "apology" is full of crappy wank, but its still leagues better than I ever expected it to be, just by dumping Zak.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 14:08 |
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That Old Tree posted:Pundit's being preemptively crazy and threatening to publish "the Mearls emails" if they replace the Consultants credit but remove him alongside Zak to "placate the Stalinists." As if they'd want to invite even more controversy. What an actual pathetic loser. If Pundit releases secret emails and betrays Mearls after Mearls betrayed Cook I think I might die laughing.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 14:31 |
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You just know that Pundit's emails are going to be about how he wanted THAC-0 back and Mearls didn't and that's the smoking gun or something
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 14:33 |
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Sidestep posted:After talking with Jaym a bit, she said it was cool to let you folks know her response to the invite. This is an important first step in receiving the eagerly anticipated Green Ronin Timeline.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 14:34 |
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Burn all of 5e to the ground, then please hire someone qualified and not a horrible person or barring that just not a horrible person.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:03 |
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To: Mearls From: Pundit Subject: Smoking a mix of Perique, Virginia and Dark Fired Kentucky Listen Mike, i told you that bards must, simply must have to start as a fighter, the community I am in full and total control over are already baying for blood over that stupid idea of having a female fighter picture, you can't go and keep adding in this modern nonsense. WE WILL RUIN YOU Also when are you sending the photographer for my inside cover picture on the book?
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:09 |
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Bedlamdan posted:This is an important first step in receiving the eagerly anticipated Green Ronin Timeline. How about you gently caress right off with that?
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:09 |
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One of Zak's sockpuppets in those reddit threads is trying to use BDSM to justify his actions, which is loving pissing me off. "If she hated being choked she would have said something then!!!" is completely monstrous, absolutely abysmal. As someone getting into BDSM this poo poo is exactly the last thing BDSM needs. gently caress!
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:10 |
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Bedlamdan posted:This is an important first step in receiving the eagerly anticipated Green Ronin Timeline. Wrong hook, wrong pond. You can gently caress right off.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:12 |
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Sidestep posted:Wrong hook, wrong pond. What? I don't think there's any problem with criticizing Suleiman or how Green Ronin handled him, that's sort of been in keeping with the thread's attitude previously. I also don't see any reason for Jaym to want to defend or justify him, so I don't see that being a problem either.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:21 |
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That Old Tree posted:Pundit's being preemptively crazy and threatening to publish "the Mearls emails" if they replace the Consultants credit but remove him alongside Zak to "placate the Stalinists." As if they'd want to invite even more controversy. What an actual pathetic loser.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:23 |
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Bedlamdan posted:What? I don't think there's any problem with criticizing Suleiman or how Green Ronin handled him, that's sort of been in keeping with the thread's attitude previously. I also don't see any reason for Jaym to want to defend or justify him, so I don't see that being a problem either.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:28 |
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Bedlamdan posted:What? I don't think there's any problem with criticizing Suleiman or how Green Ronin handled him, that's sort of been in keeping with the thread's attitude previously. I also don't see any reason for Jaym to want to defend or justify him, so I don't see that being a problem either. I see your rap sheet and your red text. I will give you the benefit of the doubt this one time and engage. Jaym is a freelancer and has zero to do with management decisions at Green Ronin. She has done spec work for them and may continue to do so. Their mishandling of the situation is not on her. As for her part, let me point out the relevant part of her statement. "Unaware that there were actual allegations against this friend, I pushed back and did significant harm to the discussion. For that, I am deeply sorry, and have worked to learn from the situation to avoid such mistakes in the future. " So you can keep your opinions on the management there separate from Jaym
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:31 |
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dwarf74 posted:Pundit taking down Mearls via the sharing of private emails would be the most 2019 thing that could possibly happen, tbh. That quote from Godzilla of "Let them fight" is all thats playing in my head
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:31 |
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Warthur posted:The Green Ronin timeline isn't Jaym's responsibility to produce, and you salivating over the opportunity to hassle a new poster over it - one who's mentioned social anxiety at that - is gross. I was being facetious, the timeline itself is largely the responsibility of whoever the hell is actually running Green Ronin. I don't know who, exactly. Nicole Lindroos, at this point? With that said, I can't be the only one who wants to know what the hell happened there, and whether or not people who actually know what happened are willing to give their take on it.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:37 |
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LongDarkNight posted:If Pundit releases secret emails and betrays Mearls after Mearls betrayed Cook I think I might die laughing. I think it's like a Sith Lord/Apprentice thing by this point?
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 15:50 |
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I said it earlier in the thread, but I believe Holden is sincere in his efforts towards driving out the muck from the industry. Where he absolutely fails is when it comes to Morke’s actions. He needs to own the fact that his own name will be caught in the collateral when Morke’s victims speak about their experiences. He’s said that Morke was is the wrong and that he was in a position to do the right thing and he didn’t. That’s pretty much where he needs to begin and end. He needs to own it and stop trying to deflect to Rich Thomas or Green Ronin’s misdeeds. He especially needs to stop painting Morke’s victims as stalkers when his name gets brought up because that poo poo is straight out of Zak’s playbook. On the flip side, maybe Rich Thomas SHOULD get called to task. There’s a good chance he also knew about Morke’s behavior and Olivia Hill’s account of her treatment towards the end of her OPP run is concerning.
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