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Grakkus posted:Perhaps, but I don't see why it couldn't be a less ridiculous looking, smarter-designed Twizy competitor. Plus the degree of ingenuity that went into saving costs is cool. The left and right doors are identical except with the mirror and lock in opposite places, the fenders are same too, the interior is 3d printed, the roof is canvas. The only electrical stuff is what is legally mandated. If they could price it at ~5.5-6k euros, I could see it becoming pretty popular in Europe. It really is a kind of modern 2CV. My region has a lot of these 45 kph mini cars because you can ride them under very favorable conditions. Most of them look like 20 years old. But I just looked at factory new ones and they can cost just shy of 20k€. Uses ones with 10k on the odometer can still cost 9k. Sheesh. Come in disrupt that market segment already
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A used Twizi is like 4-5k eurobucks at best so I'm not holding my breath. I'd be willing to buy a used one for running around town for like 3k if it could get up to 70km/h and had windows so definitely not a Twizi.
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 01:02 |
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https://i.imgur.com/JcIBBeo.mp4
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# ? Feb 21, 2019 22:46 |
Give some AI to the dummy so it has a fighting chance, that's just cruelquote:DETROIT (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co said on Thursday it had hired outside experts to investigate its vehicle fuel economy and testing procedures after employees raised concerns, and did not know whether it would have to correct data given to regulators or consumers. So you're about to get your Ford bought back (probably not)
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# ? Feb 21, 2019 22:58 |
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Yep, that's how that works. I had to explain it to the missus when we got her new car. "I wanna test all my new safety features like the impact mitigation system!" "It doesn't stop the car. It slows the car right before you hit something so the hit isn't as hard."
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# ? Feb 21, 2019 22:58 |
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The Prong Song posted:Yep, that's how that works. I had to explain it to the missus when we got her new car. "I wanna test all my new safety features like the impact mitigation system!" "It doesn't stop the car. It slows the car right before you hit something so the hit isn't as hard." If there's nothing behind the car why doesn't it just slam on the brakes?
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# ? Feb 21, 2019 23:00 |
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The Prong Song posted:Yep, that's how that works. I had to explain it to the missus when we got her new car. "I wanna test all my new safety features like the impact mitigation system!" "It doesn't stop the car. It slows the car right before you hit something so the hit isn't as hard." Your statement is not always true, the systems stop in time depending on a number of factors, but it would be very dumb to test. It never guarantees crash prevention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIuPI1k_kVU&t=125s (linked to start at 2:05)
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# ? Feb 21, 2019 23:07 |
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Here is IIHS, same thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMFbMV5QNzk&t=73s BMW just sucks at this.
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# ? Feb 21, 2019 23:12 |
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The Prong Song posted:Yep, that's how that works. I had to explain it to the missus when we got her new car. "I wanna test all my new safety features like the impact mitigation system!" "It doesn't stop the car. It slows the car right before you hit something so the hit isn't as hard." Not really. Every AEB system I can think of will bring the car to a stop below a certain speed threshold (usually about 30mph) because the detection range is greater than the braking distance at or below that speed. At speeds above that threshold they will mitigate the severity of the impact. Obviously if you wait between two parked cars and jump out in front of a passing vehicle that's closer than its physically possible to bring the car to a halt then you're getting run the gently caress over, so maybe don't do that. drgitlin fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Feb 21, 2019 |
# ? Feb 21, 2019 23:30 |
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IT'S A METAPHOR
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 04:17 |
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The BMW determined that the dummy's life was worth less than the driver of the car
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 04:21 |
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My 2013 Audi S4 would only slow the car down to about 15 mph was an object was detected. My 2018 Audi S5 will slam on the brakes and bring the car to a complete stop.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 04:29 |
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BlackMK4 posted:The BMW determined that the dummy's life was worth less than the driver of the car tbf the limbs don't usually separate like that on an auto-ped
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 05:35 |
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BlackMK4 posted:The BMW determined that the dummy's life was worth less than the time it would have cost the driver to slow down and be late for his business meeting
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 14:45 |
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You can see the BMW does dive a bit under braking as soon as the dummy is actually in front of it.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 15:20 |
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Here is IIHS, same thing. Pro click- informative and also features uncanny-valley-motion dummies being hit by cars and exploding I'm glad safety boards are figuring out how to better test these safety systems so it isn't the wild loving west of companies making claims about what they can do. They may be a bit intrusive occasionally but hey you are at much less risk of being rear-ended by some dumbass staring at their phone or whatever
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:18 |
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The Honda punting the dummy at the last minute was comedy gold.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 18:19 |
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drgitlin posted:Not really. Every AEB system I can think of will bring the car to a stop below a certain speed threshold (usually about 30mph) because the detection range is greater than the braking distance at or below that speed. At speeds above that threshold they will mitigate the severity of the impact. The system in the BMW 2 series, 3 series, X1, X2, and X3 (at the least) will not stop the vehicle in either a pedestrian impact or vehicular impact situation UNLESS the vehicle has the "ACC with Stop and Go" feature. A feature, I should add, which is almost unavailable on the X1 in the USA. Me saying "that's how the car works" was because her new car is an X1. EDI1: It wasn't a statement about all impact mitigation or pedestrian impact mitigation systems. EDIT2: The entire ACC S'n'G thing makes me peeved, because it was only not-offered on the X1 in the US. You had to specifically order it to get it, and from what I've been able to see almost nobody who bought a second gen X1 ordered it. In the rest of the world it was almost always included as part of the DAP+, DAP, or technology package. So why does it require the S'n'G system to brake? Beats me. Someone drew up a graph (which I have already lost) which shows braking speed difference between the S'n'G and non-S'n'G Impact Mitigation systems and the poo poo's nonsensical, it's just that the non-S'n'G system brakes with less force for a shorter amount of time, so you still hit people. Even when there's sufficient distance to come to a full stop. BOTH systems rely on the camera mounted in the rear-view mirror pod to detect impacts. WTF, BMW. EDIT3: I point out that both systems use the pod cameras because on higher-end BMWs like the X5 and X7, the ACC Sn'G system (Which also is the vehicular impact mitigation system) takes input from front-and-side mounted radar pods, while the ped impact mitigation system ONLY uses the pod camera - so higher-end BMWs without ACC S'n'G still have full-stop ped impact mitigation. The Prong Song fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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They'll have to fix that for NCAP because they're really pushing that stuff now. That's why suddenly every Toyota Corolla and Suzuki Swift has auto braking and other similar features.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 20:45 |
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I just learned in the announcement that they're killing it and closing the plant, that ford still sells the 2005 f-350 in South America. https://www.fordcaminhoes.com.br/serie-f/f-4000-4x4/ The same steering wheel as the 1997 f-150. Although having the 2.8 cummins with a 5 speed stick is kinda neat.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 22:14 |
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Mr. Apollo posted:My 2013 Audi S4 would only slow the car down to about 15 mph was an object was detected. My 2018 Audi S5 will slam on the brakes and bring the car to a complete stop. This was weird for me to read because my friend has a 2018 S5 that basically got totaled yesterday in a frontal collision. Luckily he walked away with a mild concussion and nobody else was hurt. I haven't heard the whole story but I think there was too much ice on the roads and it turned into a 10-car pileup 5 minutes after his accident.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 22:15 |
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Really on staging a representative load for the truck.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 22:26 |
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The Prong Song posted:The system in the BMW 2 series, 3 series, X1, X2, and X3 (at the least) will not stop the vehicle in either a pedestrian impact or vehicular impact situation UNLESS the vehicle has the "ACC with Stop and Go" feature. A feature, I should add, which is almost unavailable on the X1 in the USA. Ah, fair point. I usually get exposed to fully loaded stuff so there’s almost always radar there.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 22:27 |
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kimbo305 posted:Really on staging a representative load for the truck. "Jeff! Go to Home Depot and pick up some concrete for the shoot!" "But I drive a Corolla!"
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 22:56 |
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Fayez Butts posted:"Jeff! Go to Home Depot and pick up some concrete for the shoot!" Funny imagery, but of course it's probably fully CGI.
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Sharparoni posted:This was weird for me to read because my friend has a 2018 S5 that basically got totaled yesterday in a frontal collision. Luckily he walked away with a mild concussion and nobody else was hurt. I haven't heard the whole story but I think there was too much ice on the roads and it turned into a 10-car pileup 5 minutes after his accident. Year or two ago a finnish car magazine was doing large comparison test including testing the automatic braking systems. They had some VAG model and they were unable to make the automatic braking testing to work at all. No matter what, they couldn't make it to even try braking. With the help of the importer and manufacturer they finally found what the problem was. They were doing the testing in a test center, so the car's GPS recognized it was not on an official road and the automatic braking wasn't operational. You can marvel at the thought process, that comes to the conclusion that objects outside official roads aren't worth braking for. Saukkis fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Feb 24, 2019 |
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Saukkis posted:Year or two ago a finnish car magazine was doing large comparison test including testing the automatic braking systems. They had some VAG model and they were unable to make the automatic testing to work at all. No matter what, they couldn't make it to even try braking. With the help of the importer and manufacturer they finally found what the problem was. They were doing the testing in a test center, so the car's GPS recognized it was not on an official road and the automatic braking wasn't operational. You can marvel at the thought process, that comes to the conclusion that objects outside official roads aren't worth braking for. What if you're on a road that's newer than the car's maps? Strikes me as a weird design decision
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Lord Stimperor posted:What if you're on a road that's newer than the car's maps? Strikes me as a weird design decision This is one reason why I think even if I drove a six figure-value brand new 7 series BMW I would still probably use a 15 dollar iPhone mount from Best Buy and keep my phone on the windshield for navi or use CarPlay. Fuckin love Waze. Why deal with whatever random nav contractor your given car uses instead of Waze? As for why that would have anything to do with AEB you got me. Something Offal fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Feb 24, 2019 |
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Saukkis posted:Year or two ago a finnish car magazine was doing large comparison test including testing the automatic braking systems. They had some VAG model and they were unable to make the automatic testing to work at all. No matter what, they couldn't make it to even try braking. With the help of the importer and manufacturer they finally found what the problem was. They were doing the testing in a test center, so the car's GPS recognized it was not on an official road and the automatic braking wasn't operational. You can marvel at the thought process, that comes to the conclusion that objects outside official roads aren't worth braking for.
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Saukkis posted:Year or two ago a finnish car magazine was doing large comparison test including testing the automatic braking systems. They had some VAG model and they were unable to make the automatic testing to work at all. No matter what, they couldn't make it to even try braking. With the help of the importer and manufacturer they finally found what the problem was. They were doing the testing in a test center, so the car's GPS recognized it was not on an official road and the automatic braking wasn't operational. You can marvel at the thought process, that comes to the conclusion that objects outside official roads aren't worth braking for. Lol. Here’s a pedestrian avoidance test being conducted on live pedestrians with a car that wasn’t optioned with pedestrian avoidance. http://money.com/money/3896931/volvo-self-parking-accident/
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# ? Feb 24, 2019 03:20 |
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Volvo following the Toyota Century example and going Full Wool
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The Oldest Man posted:Volvo following the Toyota Century example and going Full Wool This loving owns. Hope they sell tons.
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# ? Feb 24, 2019 09:56 |
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Don't sit on that when you're wet!
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Something Offal posted:This is one reason why I think even if I drove a six figure-value brand new 7 series BMW I would still probably use a 15 dollar iPhone mount from Best Buy and keep my phone on the windshield for navi or use CarPlay. Fuckin love Waze. Why deal with whatever random nav contractor your given car uses instead of Waze? This is what Car Play/Android Auto is for.
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BloodBag posted:Don't sit on that when you're wet! Sucks that I couldn't drive with any female passengers
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The Oldest Man posted:Volvo following the Toyota Century example and going Full Wool Those crushed-wool seats are so drat comfortable in the Toyota Century. I hope this is even halfway as good.
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# ? Feb 24, 2019 17:02 |
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It's not premium if it's not pleather
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# ? Feb 24, 2019 18:05 |
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I love wool, but that poo poo would get so dirty in a week. My dog would track mud on it, my girlfriend would spill coffee on it and my nonexistent kids would draw on it with markers. You'd have to line it with plastic tarps like an old person.
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KillHour posted:I love wool, but that poo poo would get so dirty in a week. My dog would track mud on it, my girlfriend would spill coffee on it and my nonexistent kids would draw on it with markers. You'd have to line it with plastic tarps like an old person. I think you mean lace seat covers
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Anything that gets rid of the scourge that is leather seats as the premium option on cars is a great thing. I really don't understand why that has to be a thing. I hate leather seats, I don't want leather seats, why must I be forced to have them if I want a higher trim level? Cloth seats are great! That's what I want!
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