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Speaking of which, where does the “White Helmets are actually violent terrorists” thing come from? Any proof at all? I know people who are 100% convinced this is true.
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Kate Starbird did a detailed study into it, it's really one of the best reports I've seen on the topic, and I'd highly recommend reading it if you're interested how messaging is spread through alternative media: https://medium.com/@katestarbird/content-sharing-within-the-alternative-media-echo-system-the-case-of-the-white-helmets-f34434325e77 https://faculty.washington.edu/kstarbi/Starbird-et-al-ICWSM-2018-Echosystem-final.pdf It shows how different online communities have been drawn together through common channels, be they social media personalities, blogs, news sites. While the report focuses on anti-White Helmets sentiments it's a pretty good demonstration of how the alternative media ecosystem works.
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Dr.Radical posted:Speaking of which, where does the “White Helmets are actually violent terrorists” thing come from? Any proof at all? I know people who are 100% convinced this is true. They’ve been linked to some unsavoury groups in the past and are obviously partisan (but who isn’t). I don’t think anybody outside of retarded regime supporters really believes that though.
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Frond posted:They’ve been linked to some unsavoury groups in the past and are obviously partisan (but who isn’t). I don’t think anybody outside of retarded regime supporters really believes that though. More to the point they spoke to reporters quite a bit while clearing out wreckage after attacks in rebel held areas. They got a bit of attention internationally for talking about regime bombings of civilian targets and, as volunteer rescue workers, looked like a pretty sympathetic group to the audience. As you can imagine this made them unpopular to the Assad regime and its associated propaganda apparatus was very quick to claim they were all bastard terrorist AQ operatives false flagging everything. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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Feb 20, 2019 05:14
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Dr.Radical posted:Speaking of which, where does the “White Helmets are actually violent terrorists” thing come from? Any proof at all? I know people who are 100% convinced this is true. I'm going to take a wild guess and say Russia?
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Brown Moses posted:Kate Starbird did a detailed study into it, it's really one of the best reports I've seen on the topic, and I'd highly recommend reading it if you're interested how messaging is spread through alternative media: Oh neat, I'd noticed a while back that it seemed like there was a sort of "onramp" process by which bits of, say, Glenn Greenwald's audience might find themselves watching Alex Jones talking about some doctored/weaponized info dump from Wikileaks but I'd never seen it detailed with regard to Syria.
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A good example of how Russia and Syria pushes disinformation about the White Helmets is their repeated claims that the White Helmets and various groups in Idlib (in particular Al Qaeda linked groups) are working together to prepare false flags. We did a study of these claims at Bellingcat, finding at least 22 separate allegations of false flag chemical attacks being prepared throughout 2018, with the only evidence provided for any of the attacks being one short video clip from a drone showing the entrance of an underground hospital. It even included claims that the White Helmets had filmed a false flag chemical attack, and were waiting to release the footage any day. That was several months ago. Of course, despite the lack of any evidence, Russia Today, Press TV, and all the other usual suspects report about these allegations, which are then picked up by the alternative media ecosystem and spread through out, so there's these constant allegations of false flags being prepared through 2018, and continuing into 2019, despite no actual evidence being provided. To add to this effect you then have Russia Today and pals picking out figures like Vanessa Beeley from that ecosystem who repeat the propaganda that's been pushed, reinforcing the messaging they're trying to push, and, in the eyes of the people who consume information from that ecosystem, adding legitimacy to those individuals.
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So I take it that Saudi Arabia has nukes now?
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I think the more accurate term for this would be a "blog post".
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Thanks for your contribution.
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Brown Moses posted:Thanks for your contribution. You mean thanks for the analysis
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Thanks, BM.
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steinrokkan posted:You mean thanks for the analysis I think the more accurate term for this would be a "forum post".
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1096121922876788737?s=19 Here we go: https://twitter.com/nitin_gadkari/status/1098567044574916608
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That's bad.
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Are we talking a significant amount of water here? Lets remember that many conflicts start out of desperality of opposing sides. Resource cut off is a quick road to a conflict.
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It's the Eastern tributaries which, as per the Indus Water Treaty, India has exclusive rights to - they utilize something like >90% of the water for their own ends and the leftover is allowed to flow into Pakistan, so the announcement is nationalist-rousing declaration that Pakistan won't get even that anymore. Blocking the Western rivers would've been a declaration of war. Pakistan depends on its share of the water to remain a functional state. The Indus continues to be the ticking time bomb between these two nuclear powers, so any move away from an amicable re-negotiation of the IWT is very, very bad. And the Himalayan glaciers keep shrinking.
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This withdrawal is such a loving mess. First we had the Trump announcement everyone ignored, then the more recent announcement that everyone freaked out over, then walkback, then Trump saying no I mean it, we're getting everyone out of there, then last night they said 200 troops would stay, and now that's been doubled to 400. It would be nice if they figured out what the gently caress they were doing instead of constantly leaving everyone's head spinning. https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1099018064782376961
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Conspiratiorist posted:It's the Eastern tributaries which, as per the Indus Water Treaty, India has exclusive rights to - they utilize something like >90% of the water for their own ends and the leftover is allowed to flow into Pakistan, so the announcement is nationalist-rousing declaration that Pakistan won't get even that anymore. to add a bit, the himalayan glaciers shrinking isn't a "the amount of water available is going down" thing (except insofar as increased temperatures do that), it's a "the amount of water available is becoming less reliable" thing more floods, more droughts
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Sinteres posted:This withdrawal is such a loving mess. First we had the Trump announcement everyone ignored, then the more recent announcement that everyone freaked out over, then walkback, then Trump saying no I mean it, we're getting everyone out of there, then last night they said 200 troops would stay, and now that's been doubled to 400. It would be nice if they figured out what the gently caress they were doing instead of constantly leaving everyone's head spinning. No one can predict our actions if we do not know what we are doing
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Sounds like the OPCW report on the Douma chemical attack should be out at the end of next week, so expect some drama around that.
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Looks like the discrepancy on the number of troops remaining in country may have been because someone forgot we're still occupying Tanf and the early number was just east of the Euphrates.
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Sinteres posted:Looks like the discrepancy on the number of troops remaining in country may have been because someone forgot we're still occupying Tanf and the early number was just east of the Euphrates. Lol. Gotta keep that patch of desert away from Syria. I guess the US didn’t annex it and it’s for “anti-ISIS”operations. This idea that the US has any humanitarian interest in anything, Venezuela or otherwise, is laughable.
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What are the current chances of India and Pakistan going to nuclear war this year?
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Grouchio posted:What are the current chances of India and Pakistan going to nuclear war this year? low but worryingly nonzero
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It's stochastic; an event needs to trigger increased tensions over J&K (like what happened last week), but then both actors need to escalate (unlike what's happening now, which is so far posturing).
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Grouchio posted:In which case what would be the difference between posturing and escalation then? Nukes killing people.
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Hopefully India and Iran can coordinate some response against Pakistan, the noted American ally and prolific state sponsor of terrorism
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GreyjoyBastard posted:we used to have one but some of the most prolific posters either moved to CSPAM, fell in the Great November 2016 Purge, or most crucially whatever the hell happened to ReindeerF (executed when Rama X ascended to the Thai throne? is actually Rama X and is too busy to post here now?) There are a lot of low level lol events related to any election managed by a military junta, but the lolest of events has to be this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47167378 http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30363939 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/09/thai-princess-running-for-pm-says-she-wants-country-moving-forward https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0 EDIT: Malaysia is in chaos after a bunch of Malasyians conspired with international bankers to rip off the country, which called Mahathir back to service. Burma and Laos and Cambodia are all moving closer to China under its Belt & Roads program, which is China's Monroe Doctrine. ASSK has, as I predicted a decade ago, turned out to be a canny politician willing to toss aside human rights to promote the Burman majority. Hun Sen retains power over Cambodia. Laos is, well, Laos. :zzz: The Philippines is, as ever, a showcase of Spanish colonial excellence. Probably the bright spot is Indonesia and Singapore. There's a lot going on there I don't know about, but basically they have formed a weird Silicon Valley thing wherein Indonesians provide the talent and Singapore provides the oversight and money. Admittedly, I don't know much about stuff outside the GMS, so that's pretty cursory, but what-evs. Also, Brunei still exists. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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Grouchio posted:What are the current chances of India and Pakistan going to nuclear war this year? Even taking current events into account, the prerequisites for this are so insanely outlandish its not really worth considering outside the context of two nuclear powers at loggerheads always being a bad thing in general.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/jammu-kashmir-pakistan-ceasefire-violation-nowshera-rajouri-pulwama-attack-1463523-2019-02-24 Pakistani and Indian soldiers have reportedly exchanged fire across the Line of Control. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/02/india-police-arrest-kashmir-separatists-rising-tensions-190223192234464.html India has cracked down and arrested 150 separatists in Kashmir.
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Anyone else following the massive protests in Sudan? Has been going for a month now and it looks like Bashir has caved in. He was intent on changing the constitution and running for a fifth term but now he said will not do any of that. Wonder how this is going to play out.
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Interesting piece : Why the EU is embracing Middle East strongmen https://www.ft.com/content/db796d70-3070-11e9-ba00-0251022932c8?list=intlhomepage
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Savy Saracen salad posted:Interesting piece : Why the EU is embracing Middle East strongmen The link is paywalled, but let me guess: because it's profitable, because it's easy and convenient, and most importantly, because authoritarian strongmen are good at keeping the region's problems bottled up and localized so that no collateral damage washes up on the shores of Europe?
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CrazyLoon posted:Also likely cause they didn't like what happened after they got Gadaffi killed and are now too scared to have it happen again, while also too lazy to find an alternative. Pretty much. Mainstreet europe would rather support a few bad apples on the border of the mediterranean if it means more fascism wont grip the super state.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Pretty much. Mainstreet europe would rather support a few bad apples on the border of the mediterranean if it means more fascism wont grip the super state. That's only for the short term. Sooner or later these strongmen will figure out how to start pushing for more and the EU won't do anything about it. Like Putin or Erdogan.
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Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran's Foreign Minister, resigned rather abruptly today.
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OhFunny posted:Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran's Foreign Minister, resigned rather abruptly today. That's not a good sign. My hot take is that he was too invested in running the clock out on the Trump administration and that's not seen as a solution with all the recent threats building. The powers-that-be would need someone more ideological and to build fresh relationships with Pakistan, China, India, etc - especially after Poland & the recent MBS trip. e: hot take was probably wrong guidoanselmi fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Feb 27, 2019 |
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