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Mozi posted:I read recently that India is adding an entire Pakistan's worth of GDP growth every year. Getting into a major war is a losing strategy compared to just continuing to grow. Depends how much of that money is getting to Kashmiri Muslims, I'd imagine. In forms other than better-equipped rape squads, anyway.
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Darth Walrus posted:Depends how much of that money is getting to Kashmiri Muslims, I'd imagine. In forms other than better-equipped rape squads, anyway. Fake news. Would it be better if India genocided them, like what happened to Kashmiri pundits in the 80s? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus
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Feb 28, 2019 18:13
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svenkatesh posted:Fake news. Wow, congrats for crafting the worst possible reply to that post, dude.
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Feb 28, 2019 18:19
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Darth Walrus posted:Wow, congrats for crafting the worst possible reply to that post, dude. Why are apologia for Islamic terrorism and unsubstantiated claims against dharmics generally accepted in liberal circles?
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Feb 28, 2019 18:25
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svenkatesh posted:Why are apologia for Islamic terrorism and unsubstantiated claims against dharmics generally accepted in liberal circles? 'Unsubstantiated' apart from the dozens of detailed sources in that paper, including the 1993 Human Rights Watch report? And why the Christ was your first response 'at least they're not genociding them'? Why is there some binary choice between genocide and mass rape? Why is mass rape not bad on its own merits?
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Feb 28, 2019 18:34
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I’m not hugely sympathetic for Kashmiri separatists for the reason you’ve described svenkatesh but you are coming off as a deranged Hindutva nationalist right now, it’s not helping your argument.
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Feb 28, 2019 18:37
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svenkatesh posted:That GDP growth will end if radical Islamic terrorism runs rampant in India. The threat of getting aloha snackbarred by Ahmed will mean businesses won't want to set up shop Completely unrelated to this post, of course, but I'm glad that Lowtax changed the default newbie avatar to be appropriate to the driveby shitposters that show up now and then
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Feb 28, 2019 18:37
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That wasn't my intention. Yes, I'm Indian. No, I wasnt born in India. It's just very confusing to see everyone ignore the fact that Pakistan started this confrontation and say that any response by India is wrong svenkatesh fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 28, 2019 |
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Feb 28, 2019 18:39
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svenkatesh posted:That GDP growth will end if radical Islamic terrorism runs rampant in India. The threat of getting aloha snackbarred by Ahmed will mean businesses won't want to set up shop What the gently caress is this poo poo? Do you ever live here? Edit; gently caress me
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Squalid posted:I’m not hugely sympathetic for Kashmiri separatists for the reason you’ve described svenkatesh but you are coming off as a deranged Hindutva nationalist right now, it’s not helping your argument.
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svenkatesh posted:That wasn't my intention. Yes, I'm Indian. No, I want born in India. I mean, you can at least admit that the rape squads might be bad, yeah?
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Feb 28, 2019 18:40
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Darth Walrus posted:I mean, you can at least admit that the rape squads might be bad, yeah? Yes, if true. News media in South Asia is terrible, there's a lot of state control in both India and and Pakistan, and I can't imagine anyone condoning rape, especially on a massive scale. That's why I'm always skeptical
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Feb 28, 2019 18:45
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svenkatesh posted:Yes, if true. News media in South Asia is terrible, there's a lot of state control in both India and and Pakistan, and I can't imagine anyone condoning rape, especially on a massive scale. That's why I'm always skeptical Might wanna read those links, then, rather than blasting off straight away with 'fake news'.
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Feb 28, 2019 18:48
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What's the point? All South Asian conflict and atrocities are due to an escalation in response to some instigating event. If you point to one bad thing that India did, there will be something similar you can point to for Pakistan. The difference is that Pakistan openly supports international terrorism. Even if everything people accuse the BJP of doing is true, at least it's only domestic to India India/Pakistan is the greatest argument against the two state solution.
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Feb 28, 2019 18:53
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I’m not surprised India feels the need to respond to Pakistan. For real, that country is hosed up. But obviously it also has to switch to deescalation eventually, or the result is nuclear war. I don’t know how far India and Pakistan can push this poo poo but I don’t want to find out. I think that’s the position of everyone else in the world, whatever real problems exist are just insignificant in comparison to what is at risk. We just want to be reassured that in the end there’s a limit to how far this will go.
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Feb 28, 2019 18:54
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svenkatesh posted:What's the point? All South Asian conflict and atrocities are due to an escalation in response to some instigating event. If you point to one bad thing that India did, there will be something similar you can point to for Pakistan. Yes what is the point of familiarizing oneself with the history of a region before making judgements about its inhabitants? The US. State department has operated under this ethos for its entire existence and has performed flawlessly!
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Yes what is the point of familiarizing oneself with the history of a region before making judgements about its inhabitants? The US. State department has operated under this ethos for its entire existence and has performed flawlessly! There are (or were, possibly) a lot of very very smart people (and surely some less smart ones as well) at State, but they just offer advice. Elected and appointed officials make the decisions. (See the recent example where State career officials recommended against selling more weapons to SA and were overruled by Pompeo, IIRC.)
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Feb 28, 2019 19:21
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svenkatesh posted:Yes, if true. News media in South Asia is terrible, there's a lot of state control in both India and and Pakistan, and I can't imagine anyone condoning rape, especially on a massive scale. That's why I'm always skeptical it's a pretty popular strategy wherever you've got a bunch of locals you want to terrorize. keeps the soldiers' morale up, teaches them to dehumanize the opposition, and teaches the locals the price of so much as being in the same square mile as your soldiers. not a strategy that tends to pan out long term, but it gets what you want out of them in the short. our dearly departed friends in ISIS had a lot of success with avoiding popular revolt thanks to it! as a result, wherever you've got an officer class that genuinely considers the local population subhuman, the proposition pops up with some frequency.
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svenkatesh posted:...and I can't imagine anyone condoning rape, especially on a massive scale.... I mean are you serious? Do you even have an inkling of what goes on pretty much any time civilian populations are put under the control of hostile military forces?
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Mozi posted:There are (or were, possibly) a lot of very very smart people (and surely some less smart ones as well) at State, but they just offer advice. Were. Trump, Pompeo and Tillerson wasted no time in firing all these useless "experts" and "scholars" and other know-it-all wiseasses so as to replace them with this guy; which greatly improved the Jeezus quota in US foreign and domestic policy.
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svenkatesh posted:What's the point? All South Asian conflict and atrocities are due to an escalation in response to some instigating event. If you point to one bad thing that India did, there will be something similar you can point to for Pakistan. You know, given that you tried to dismiss an extensively-cited academic paper as fake news, and are entirely unfamiliar with the concept of mass rape in wartime or the way that local oppression can have global consequences, I'd be really cautious about making these sorts of grand, sweeping statements and would maybe suggest sitting down to actually learn some poo poo.
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Mar 1, 2019 01:28
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You know, I'm starting to thinks that Israel/Palestine might not be the most potentially disastrous I/P thread in this forum.
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Mar 1, 2019 05:21
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https://twitter.com/AsadHashim/status/1101001180522692613 https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1101114101374234625 lmao
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Mar 1, 2019 05:27
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Get loving wrecked, Narendra Modi. 
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Mar 1, 2019 05:33
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I/P thread: Extended fall out from a different two state solution I/P thread: another two states in need of a solution.
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IP thread: the mouse must be vanquished
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it is reassuring to see other countries' saber-rattling adventurism proving just as stupid and wasteful.
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Now that the anti-terror bombings have been revealed a sham, let's hope that Modi doesn't double down and escalate to salvage his crumbling, karmic career! 
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I remember an episode of one of Monty Python guys, Palin I think, going to some sort of daily show between Pakistan and India where they try to out peacock each other at the closing of the border crossing daily. Is that still going on or has tensions stopped it?
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When did the Middle East thread become the South Asia thread...
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There are massive protests in Algeria right now, against the living mummy bouteflika, and you guys are discussing India and Pakistan? Sudan is also filled with a lot of protests. This might be the Arab spring 2.0 which will hopefully expand to Egypt again. https://www.france24.com/en/20190301-algeria-protests-anti-bouteflika-braced-million-man-march-press-freedom
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Mar 1, 2019 19:14
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https://twitter.com/rallahoum/status/1101491885623951361
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Doesn't look a huge crowd, as mass protests go.
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https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1101506159314382849
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svenkatesh posted:Fake news. The BJP bots are coming from inside the house
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Mar 1, 2019 20:22
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2019's writers are getting lazy with the Algerian Civil War reboot.
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Rumors flying of major announcement in next few hours in Algeria. My guess is that the military junta sacrifice Boutfilka and call it a victory for the people, the same tactic used by the Military brass in Egypt during 2011. In reality however the same regime will still be in power. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/02/protests-are-growing-algeria-are-these-seeds-real-change/?utm_term=.8b18ff4596f6
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I have faith in Boutef. They'll rewrite the Constitution again so that a corpse can be a Presidential candidate, and so he'll keep getting reelected in the first turn until the 22nd century.
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Where's a good starting point to read Algerian history? The Independence War? The French conquest of the 1830s? Before that?
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-usa/u-s-palestinian-mission-to-merge-with-israel-embassy-on-monday-idUSKCN1QL00X?il=0quote:WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. consulate in Jerusalem, which serves Palestinians, will be absorbed into the new U.S. Embassy to Israel on Monday, the State Department said, a merger that has angered Palestinian leadership. We keep kicking the Palestinians.
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