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Mr. Nice! posted:its really good and makes me laugh every time i read it I forgot about it and now am having a good day
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When do the wheels of justice turn on this case?
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Mar 6, 2019 20:34
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So why does Kraft need a second big name ultra high profile attorney to fight a misdemeanor because he just got one. Does that make sense to people who understand the law?
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Mar 6, 2019 22:10
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So why does Kraft need a second big name ultra high profile attorney to fight a misdemeanor because he just got one. Does that make sense to people who understand the law? Option 1: he's got the money to throw huge amounts of lawyer at this and hope the charges are dismissed or whatever. who understand billionaire brains. Option 2: this could be worse than we know, like he always requests the "young looking ones"
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Mar 6, 2019 22:11
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FizFashizzle posted:Option 1: he's got the money to throw huge amounts of lawyer at this and hope the charges are dismissed or whatever. who understand billionaire brains. We already know that Option 2 isn’t true. In fact he appears to be into journeyman middle aged women.
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Mar 6, 2019 22:13
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:We already know that Option 2 isn’t true. In fact he appears to be into journeyman middle aged women. better value, higher skillset its classic patriot wayTM
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Mar 6, 2019 22:17
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Sports radio is guessing that maybe he’s bringing in the most intimidating guns he can to do everything under heaven and earth to make sure that the tape doesn’t get out. Does that make sense?
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Mar 6, 2019 22:21
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I thought about the ribmaps.com post earlier today and laughed silently to myself
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Mar 6, 2019 22:25
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March 27th is arraignment. Also the tape, if police have it, could potentially be accessed through a public records request with the police department. And his lawyer’s filings look weird for state court. I don’t know why he didn’t waive arraignment and his notice of appearance has odd wording and formatting. It shows that an out of state attorney is writing it.
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Mar 6, 2019 22:27
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Like typically you waive arraignment with your notice of appearance and written plea of not guilty. It’s so common that the florida courts e-filing system has NOA/Plea of NG/Waiver of Arraignment as an option when e-filing.
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Mar 6, 2019 22:29
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Mr. Nice! posted:Also the tape, if police have it, could potentially be accessed through a public records request with the police department. I hadn't thought about this, this is a Florida Man thing right?
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Mar 6, 2019 22:40
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So Kraft will pay for an expensive lawyer, but not an expensive masseuse
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Mar 6, 2019 22:41
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Grittybeard posted:I hadn't thought about this, this is a Florida Man thing right? Yuuuuuup. Public record motherfuckers. He also won’t be getting these charges sealed or expunged unless he gets them completely dismissed.
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Mar 6, 2019 22:49
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:So Kraft will pay for an expensive lawyer, but not an expensive masseuse In both cases you want someone who can get off a thousand men a year.
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Mar 6, 2019 22:50
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Kalli posted:In both cases you want someone who can get off a thousand men a year. 
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Mar 6, 2019 23:06
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Kalli posted:In both cases you want someone who can get off a thousand men a year. 
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Mar 6, 2019 23:19
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Kalli posted:In both cases you want someone who can get off a thousand men a year. I laughed.
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Mar 6, 2019 23:19
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Sports radio is guessing that maybe he’s bringing in the most intimidating guns he can to do everything under heaven and earth to make sure that the tape doesn’t get out. Does that make sense? his primary goal here is avoiding embarrassment, and that embarrassment is way more significant to him than the fines/days in jail/etc. also, money isn't a big deal to him. so yeah - avoid the tape, and just bring in way bigger guns than you'd normally see here just to get as non-embarrassing a deal as possible
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Mar 6, 2019 23:31
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:When do the wheels of justice turn on this case? They stopped turning when they got all sticky and gummed up with something
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Mar 6, 2019 23:34
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When you step on an ant you use your whole foot and not just your toe. Kraft? Same reason
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Mar 6, 2019 23:46
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It is a definite fact that really good lawyers with a big support staff and an unlimited budget to work with can make life extremely difficult for opposing counsel. I'm sure the local misdemeanor prosecutors don't see a lot of the kind of carpet-bombing drudgery campaigns these guys can unleash. And it can definitely have a motivating effect on the prosecutors when it comes to negotiating something to just to make it go away. Misdemeanor prosecutors are very accustomed to having cases teed up for them, there's endless low-hanging fruit to go for, and the numbers favor going for it. Like huh let's see I can plead out 50 people to petty theft and small-time possession charges this week, and do three trials to score easy convictions on drunk drivers and domestic abusers, or I can spend my third consecutive week doing nothing but attending endless depositions of every police offer in the city while dealing with a deluge of briefs and motions, all in the hope that some day after a grueling trial I could possibly get this one guy put on misdemeanor probation for six months. The math is a little different when it's a public figure, because any deal will be scrutinized and the guy has a major incentive to avoid a trial that will turn into a media circus around him, but still.
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Mar 7, 2019 00:56
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I don't see how the outcome of his massively over-lawyering misdemeanor charges changes the fact that it's already out there in the world that he is on video. Even if the charges go away, that public knowledge doesn't.
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Mar 7, 2019 01:03
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Kalli posted:In both cases you want someone who can get off a thousand men a year. 
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:I don't see how the outcome of his massively over-lawyering misdemeanor charges changes the fact that it's already out there in the world that he is on video. Even if the charges go away, that public knowledge doesn't. Well what does he have to lose by giving himself every possible advantage
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Mar 7, 2019 01:56
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Thermos H Christ posted:Well what does he have to lose by giving himself every possible advantage It's pretty much a given that a multi-billionaire will never have any sort of legal consequence for something like this. The only consequence he'll ever have is to his public perception
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Mar 7, 2019 02:02
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Only a matter of time till that tape cums out.
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Mar 7, 2019 02:40
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did anything happen.
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Mar 7, 2019 04:34
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Nothing for a bit. We’ll see more on the 27th. I should note that Kraft is demanding a non-jury trial.
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Mar 7, 2019 13:13
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Mr. Nice! posted:Nothing for a bit. We’ll see more on the 27th. "Your Honor, my client pleads a big fat re-election contribution"
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Mar 7, 2019 13:18
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:It's pretty much a given that a multi-billionaire will never have any sort of legal consequence for something like this. The only consequence he'll ever have is to his public perception His nickname at the owner meetings is going to be Don't just Pat it, Tug it.
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Mar 7, 2019 14:11
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Proteus Jones posted:"Your Honor, my client pleads a big fat re-election contribution" For both the judge and state attorney, i’m sure.
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Mar 7, 2019 14:23
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Right now the real punishment is taking place between the DA, presiding judge and Kraft, but it involves secret ritual and nipple play. The show trial comes later
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Nah right now no one is talking to the judge. Kraft’s lawyers are certainly talking directly with the elected state attorney not so much the misdemeanor assistant state attorney. They may have a plea agreement in place by arraignment. If they can’t put him into a deferred prosecution agreement (because of the multiple charges and the nature of the charges) he’s going to get some administrative probation (probation only in name) and have to pay a massive statutory fine (relative to the severity of the charge), and pay out some extra in place of the statutory community service. He won’t be able to clear this from his record, but I doubt he gives a drat about that. I don’t see his charges getting dismissed, though. We’ll know soon enough.
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Mar 7, 2019 15:41
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Lmao this naive kid doesn't know about the parallel nipple play-based legal system for the rich and powerful
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sweet thursday posted:Lmao this naive kid doesn't know about the parallel nipple play-based legal system for the rich and powerful  i'm a florida attorney and former criminal defense attorney. I know all about the system. That's why I said they're talking to the elected state attorney for certain and working out a deal. The charges may prevent them from something that would allow them to put it into a deferred program short of reducing both charges to disorderly conduct. Since the spotlight is on, I don't think they'll do that. As such, his best deal is going to be a big fine and he'll have "probation adjudication withheld" as the final disposition status for the charges. He won't be on actual probation. He'll have to pay a $10,000 fine for the offenses themselves as set by statute, he'll have to pay another $10,000-$20,000 in lieu of the statutory community service, and court costs of around $800 or so.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Nothing for a bit. We’ll see more on the 27th. "On the first charge, the jury finds the defendant 'gently caress the pats'"
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hobbesmaster posted:"On the first charge, the jury finds the defendant 'gently caress the pats'" Yeah that part makes sense. But it's really obvious that the non-florida attorneys are working this case so who knows how it's going to go. For example, on their notice of appearance, they put it as "Praecipe for Appearance" which from google seems to be a pennsylvania thing more than anything.
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Mar 7, 2019 16:48
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It's not all bad for Kraft if he has to make an appearance. If Robert Kraft has to come down to Florida to make an appearance at this trial, maybe he could stop by his favorite local destination, Orchids of Asia day spa.
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Mar 7, 2019 18:57
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Please stop interrupting this glorious Riker avatar back-and-forth thing that's going on
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AsInHowe posted:It's not all bad for Kraft if he has to make an appearance. He primarily lives in Florida. That's why he's a return customer at Orchids of Asia.
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