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Pretty sure Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and the Moon have caused multiple false alarms for planes and ICBMs
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Clouds would have caused WWIII if not for Stanislav Petrov.
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Mar 10, 2019 01:03
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I had a look out report sunrise as a, "giant explosion," once.
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ManMythLegend posted:I had a look out report sunrise as a, "giant explosion," once. That's not exactly wrong though.
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Mar 10, 2019 01:58
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ManMythLegend posted:I had a look out report sunrise as a, "giant explosion," once. Well that is technically correct, which is the best kind of correct 
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Mar 10, 2019 02:03
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0613: Enormous thermonuclear explosion sighted on the horizon. All conditions normal.
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Mar 10, 2019 02:07
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Wingnut Ninja posted:0613: Enormous thermonuclear explosion sighted on the horizon. All conditions normal. God drat it, I wish I'd have written that on a duty log at some point.
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Mar 10, 2019 02:08
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Wingnut Ninja posted:0613: Enormous thermonuclear explosion sighted on the horizon. All conditions normal. gently caress i almost wish I still stood duty so I could do this.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:0613: Enormous thermonuclear explosion sighted on the horizon. All conditions normal. Beat post+AV combo yet
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Wingnut Ninja posted:0613: Enormous thermonuclear explosion sighted on the horizon. All conditions normal. Definitely doing that during staff duty this week lol
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If you want to really get into in, Command and Control is an excellent book on all sorts of insane poo poo around nuclear weapons systems, complete with all the mindfuck stories you could ever want. Norway once launched a science rocket, told Russia about it in advance, but since the radar techs in Russia never got told, they thought it was a missile attack. However, the best non-terrifying story was how Truman, after just announcing the Truman doctrine, asked how many nuclear weapons the US had, and got a response of “ehhhh we can maybe get one sorta working?”
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Hobo posted:If you want to really get into in, Command and Control is an excellent book on all sorts of insane poo poo around nuclear weapons systems, complete with all the mindfuck stories you could ever want. In the Norway example, it went so far as cracking open the football to get ready to retaliate. There's also a bunch of insane poo poo from the 80s, the Stanislav Petrov example was just one of the many bad things that happened. The Soviets were completely paranoid and had an operating policy that any hint or suspicion that the West was about to launch should be taken as fact and Soviet forces should preempt a western strike.
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I'm a quarter in to Command and Control and there's likes 1048 accidents and 27 nuclear wars that could have happened and we aren't even to the Cuban Missile Crisis yet
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maffew buildings posted:I'm a quarter in to Command and Control and there's likes 1048 accidents and 27 nuclear wars that could have happened and we aren't even to the Cuban Missile Crisis yet It gets better. Meaning we are really, really, really loving lucky.
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Homeboy landing the full-armed MiG in Florida without being challenged because the crew (that were responsible for Nike-Ajax nuclear anti-aircraft missiles) didn't notice due to being dangerously high is my favourite C&C anecdote. The pilot was a Cuban defector. Oh, and Air Force One was parked nearby.
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I was surprised to learn that nuke anti aircraft missiles were a thing but I guess the motto of the era was "take weapon, now add nuclear payload"
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Mar 10, 2019 11:51
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DU shells, Atomic Annie, missile silos, we added uranium to literally anything we could. I’m also imagining a CSM using a Geiger counter and yelling at soldiers because their weapon isn’t decontaminated enough.
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Mar 10, 2019 12:27
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At one point the army wanted someone to build nuclear landmines. Because the Davy Crockett wasn't crazy enough. When congress asked the pentagon how many nuclear weapons they projected they would need in Europe, they said "Eh... about 150,000 aught to do it. We want to share some of them."
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As Nero Danced posted:At one point the army wanted someone to build nuclear landmines. Because the Davy Crockett wasn't crazy enough. They did have nuclear mines in operation didn’t they? The ones kept warm in winter with chickens? Not so much mines as demolition charges really.
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They had the SADM, which was a backpack nuke, and I think there was some sort of nuclear charge that you'd put into a predug shaft and it'd turn a bridge into a radioactive lake so you can't just throw some pontoons across or something. I read an interview with some snake eaters who were trained to use the SADM and apparently they were supposed to cover it with fire from a distance so it couldn't be defused and he went yeah we would definitely just have pissed off asap.
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my kinda ape posted:They did have nuclear mines in operation didn’t they? The ones kept warm in winter with chickens? Not so much mines as demolition charges really. Pretty sure that was the UK that had the chicken nukes.
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The fact that pretty much all the safety features added to nukes were done as a “gently caress you, I’m adding them even if you say you don’t want them” also stuck with me. Even if the one that was a code was kept as the default of 0000 or whatever. There was also (and I might be getting this slightly wrong from memory) the set up of the minuteman launch sequence that needed two people to turn a key, except that the Air Force wanted to cover a scenario where there was only one person left alive in the launch site, so set an option of having a timed launch set up solo. But the point of the dual key was that you didn’t have a single person goes rogue, so the timed launch could be cancelled by another squad in the minuteman set up. Except that the timer could be set to 0:00.
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What possible scenario could there be where all but one of the crew is killed and the missile still works? Ninja attack?
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Environmental system failure, chem/bio attack, Soviet sleeper cell attack, hippies...maffew buildings posted:I was surprised to learn that nuke anti aircraft missiles were a thing but I guess the motto of the era was "take weapon, now add nuclear payload" Missiles were also very inaccurate, so having a boom big enough to take down a formation of bombers was relatively logical. The most ridiculous nuke idea remains Project Pluto. Godholio fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 10, 2019 |
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Godholio posted:Environmental system failure, chem/bio attack, Soviet sleeper cell attack, hippies... Such a good idea that its back! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik
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Xenoborg posted:Such a good idea that its back! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik How are Sino-
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Godholio posted:Environmental system failure, chem/bio attack, Soviet sleeper cell attack, hippies... nah, Project Orion had it beat by a wide margin https://youtu.be/xYoLcJuBtOw
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BigDave posted:How are Sino- I don't think the Chinese particularly like North Korea having nukes in the first place. They don't want a US friendly neighbor on their border but I'm sure they'd love it if North Korea would chill the gently caress out.
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shame on an IGA posted:nah, Project Orion had it beat by a wide margin Nah, Pluto' sheer Fallout style methods beat Orion by a huge margin. But Orion is awesome none the less: http://i.imgur.com/3cxwaI7.mp4
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BigDave posted:How are Sino- They seem better then what they were during the Cold War (i.e Russia sells China weapons and stuff), but Clancy style "Red Star Alliance" between them seems improbable at this point.
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Wasn't there a nuclear conventional artillery round? And the blast radius of the nuke was large than that of the gun it was shot from so it was a matter of "set up gun, shoot, gtfo"?
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A Bad Poster posted:Wasn't there a nuclear conventional artillery round? And the blast radius of the nuke was large than that of the gun it was shot from so it was a matter of "set up gun, shoot, gtfo"? For the 203mm / 8 inch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W79 and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W33_(nuclear_warhead) Plannned but not completed 155mm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W82 155mm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W48 M65 Atomic Cannon (Atomic Annie) 280mm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M65_atomic_cannon  From the Soviets: quote:152 mm projectile ZBV3 for self-propelled guns 2S19 Msta-S, 2S3 Acacia, 2S5 Giatsint-S, towed gun D-20, 2A36 Giatsint-B, and 2A65 Msta-B. The yield was 1 kiloton, maximum range 17.4 km. The nuclear weapon was designated RFYAC-VNIITF and designed by Academician E. I. Zababakhin in Snezhinsk.  The SM-54 (2A3) Kondensator with the 406mm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_artillery CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Mar 10, 2019 |
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Mar 10, 2019 20:45
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Definitely seems to be Kompensatoring for something 
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shame on an IGA posted:nah, Project Orion had it beat by a wide margin That would have worked, dammit. A manned mission to Saturn by 1970 is infinitely preferable than something that's just an automated remorseless death machine.
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SADM totally sounds like some Metal Gear Solid poo poo.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Atomic_Demolition_Munition
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Wasn’t Project Plowshare a thing? Where basically they wanted to use Nukes to speed up excavating efforts for things like roads and irrigation?
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Yes https://www.osti.gov/opennet/reports/plowshar.pdf
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There was also a plan to detonate a nuke on the moon to raise morale.
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Syrian Lannister posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition quote:On December 27th, 2018, the Green Bay Press-Gazette interviewed veteran Mark Bentley, who had trained for the Special Atomic Demolition Munition program to manually place and detonate a modified version of the W54 nuclear bomb. The report stated that he and other soldiers training for the program knew this was a suicide mission because either it would be unrealistic to outrun the timer on the bomb, or that soldiers would be obligated to secure the site before the timer went off. However, in theory the timer could be set long enough to give the team a chance to escape. Specifically, he stated, "We all knew it was a one-way mission, a suicide mission." [1] "You set your timer, and it would click when it went off, or it went ding or I forget what, but you knew you were toast," he said. "Ding! Your toast is ready, and it's you." He also commented, "The Army is not going to set a bomb like that and run away and leave it, because they don't know if someone else would get ahold of it," he said. "They have to leave troops there to make sure it's not stolen or compromised, and that would just be collateral damage. You didn't go out with the thought that it was anything other than a one-way mission. If you're Bruce Willis, you get away, but I ain't Bruce Willis." Vengarr posted:There was also a plan to detonate a nuke on the moon to raise morale. And Carl Sagan was part of the planning committee, and a biography about him is largely the only reason we even know about A119 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119 https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...!4d-116.0464382 CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Mar 10, 2019 |
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