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Jose posted:its ridiculous that she's making the no deal vote one that still causes no deal it's amazing that she's spitefully pissing over the people she promised a concession to
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Jose posted:its ridiculous that she's making the no deal vote one that still causes no deal It is 100% in character
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WhatEvil posted:Just got an email from my good mate Jez: Hello george
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3 Labour rebels supporting May on tonights vote. Surprisingly not Hoey!
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Unless I'm very much mistaken the no deal vote is to determine what happens subsequently. Yes if parliament votes for no deal tomorrow we leave with no deal but that seems unlikely? If it rejects it then she just said "you have to figure out what the gently caress you want to do" including revoking A50 or a referendum, both of which are a bit surprising to hear from her?
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This is turning out to be a reasonably decent birthday after all. Plus, I'm about to put some Dirty Fries in the oven and I've got some beers.
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Apparently McDonnell said labour will table a second referendum after this vote, do you think they’ll do that or just push for a GE?
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kustomkarkommando posted:3 Labour rebels supporting May on tonights vote. https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1105553385619636224
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Darth Walrus posted:IIRC, we already had one vote on no deal and it was rejected by something silly like 500 to 33. This one will probably work out similarly. It's just a purity test for the ERG, not something we seriously want to worry about. The amendment to the EU Withdrawal Act that would have prevented us leaving without a deal failed thanks to the votes of Hoey, Field, Springer and Mann.
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How did the TIGgers vote
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Can someone explain to me why this means no-deal is more likely? Isn't the majority of the house against no-deal in any vote? And isn't there that exact vote tomorrow?
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forkboy84 posted:Now we're heading for No Deal unless there's a general election, which there won't be because Theresa doesn't want to get voted out of office. We aren't most likely. key is Thursday's vote. Tomorrow is foregone. A vote to extend will pass, thats a given as even various ERG MP's have indicated they would back it. Key is the amendments i.e. there will be an amendment to seek an extension to allow for a new referendum.
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kustomkarkommando posted:3 Labour rebels supporting May on tonights vote. Any deal isn't Brexity enough for Hoey
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Noxville posted:How did the TIGgers vote Voting is what TIGgers do best
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Ratjaculation posted:Can someone explain to me why this means no-deal is more likely? Isn't the majority of the house against no-deal in any vote? And isn't there that exact vote tomorrow? The wording acknowledges that a no deal remains the default regardless
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CyberPingu posted:Surely it's gonna be an easy No for No deal right? Should be nailed on in any sane timeline. Also feels like this should have been last week, force the ERG to nail thier colours to the mast.
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Deketh posted:The wording acknowledges that a no deal remains the default regardless Yes because it does, it's up to the house to do something about that subsequently to rejecting it.
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Ratjaculation posted:Can someone explain to me why this means no-deal is more likely? Isn't the majority of the house against no-deal in any vote? And isn't there that exact vote tomorrow?
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Ratjaculation posted:Can someone explain to me why this means no-deal is more likely? Isn't the majority of the house against no-deal in any vote? And isn't there that exact vote tomorrow? Some people in here are trying to do the thing where you talk like the bad thing is definitely going to happen so that it doesn't happen. Like anything is certain in this chaos. No one knows what's going to happen. Don't listen to people just because they sound authoritative in their cynicism.
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What matters following this is what the government does going forward, if they've given up on May's deal for the moment that opens opportunities for the commons to try and hash something out, an extension, referendum, or retraction, as May said. That's what Cooper was asking about I think, but my feed cut out so I didn't get the response.
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Question, is it actually possible for May to implement No Deal as a murder/suicide if nothing gets resolved even after an extension or would she get her forced out the door?
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forkboy84 posted:It's like a loving poo poo pantomime in the HoC, isn't it? Oh no it isn't!
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ukle posted:We aren't most likely. key is Thursday's vote. Tomorrow is foregone. A vote to extend will pass, thats a given as even various ERG MP's have indicated they would back it. Key is the amendments i.e. there will be an amendment to seek an extension to allow for a new referendum. There must be some sort of plan for what to do next in the extension vote, i.e. that a referendum will be held during the extension period, because the EU27 will not accept a delay without a plan, because it could lead to an endless series of delays. Carecat posted:Question, is it actually possible for May to implement No Deal as a murder/suicide if nothing gets resolved even after an extension or would she get her forced out the door? It's very difficult for me to imagine how this could happen without Parliament's support. She can't just trigger NDB on her own. Parliament could always just agree to the deal in a vote and bam. The best she can do to trigger NDB is to negotiate a terrible deal and then drag her feet in arranging votes on it, which is exactly what she's already done. edit: to clarify, May doesn't need to actually do anything to make NDB happen at this point. But she can't make it happen against a Parliament that is happy to vote for some kind of deal acceptable to the EU as well. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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Carecat posted:Question, is it actually possible for May to implement No Deal as a murder/suicide if nothing gets resolved even after an extension or would she get her forced out the door? No deal happens automatically absenting positive action to stop it, she doesn't need to implement anything.
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No Deal not happening requires this current government to either vote for a general election or a second referendum, neither of which they will do because it's political death for them.
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Carecat posted:Question, is it actually possible for May to implement No Deal as a murder/suicide if nothing gets resolved even after an extension or would she get her forced out the door? T-May is Bane, the UK is the plane.
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ukle posted:We aren't most likely. key is Thursday's vote. Tomorrow is foregone. A vote to extend will pass, thats a given as even various ERG MP's have indicated they would back it. Key is the amendments i.e. there will be an amendment to seek an extension to allow for a new referendum. The extension is pointlessly kicking the can down the road again, which is what's happened for 4 months at the very least, since the first attempted vote on this deal that's not changed meaningfully. And also, to be blunt, it's not really likely to get accepted by the EU without some promise of something changing. And the only way that changes is if the parliamentary arithmetic changes, which means an election. Chukka Umuna on the BBC says he thinks there will be a majority for something but he doesn't know for what. loving useless cretin.
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Sulphagnist posted:She can't just trigger NDB on her own. Parliament could always just agree to the deal in a vote and bam. She already did, or rather parliament already did, that's what issuing the article 50 declaration was 2 years ago. We leave the EU, deal or not, at the end of march, unless either we revoke article 50 and call it all off, which we can do unilaterally, or the EU agrees to an extension.
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kustomkarkommando posted:3 Labour rebels supporting May on tonights vote. Kate Hoey is an insane Irish unionist and hates the deal Who the gently caress is Kevin Barron
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Sulphagnist posted:There must be some sort of plan for what to do next in the extension vote, i.e. that a referendum will be held during the extension period, because the EU27 will not accept a delay without a plan, because it could lead to an endless series of delays. Parliament triggered Article 50. It's literally law that we leave on March 29th unless they vote for something else to stop it. Simply voting no to no deal and then no to anything else doesn't stop No Deal. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:She already did, that's what issuing the article 50 declaration was 2 years ago. We leave the EU, deal or not, at the end of march, unless either we revoke article 50 and call it all off, which we can do unilaterally, or the EU agrees to an extension. I edited my post to clarify - my point is that May can't just murder-suicide the UK by walking over Parliament in her capacity as Prime Minister, which is I think what the OP was asking about. If the Parliament wants a deal, and the EU wants that same deal, then there will be a deal.
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Sulphagnist posted:There must be some sort of plan for what to do next in the extension vote, i.e. that a referendum will be held during the extension period, because the EU27 will not accept a delay without a plan, because it could lead to an endless series of delays. Ahanhaahah there no loving plan man
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JFairfax posted:Ahanhaahah there no loving plan man Then the EU will refuse an extension and NDB happens in two weeks, simple!
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Sulphagnist posted:I edited my post to clarify - my point is that May can't just murder-suicide the UK by walking over Parliament in her capacity as Prime Minister, which is I think what the OP was asking about. If the Parliament wants a deal, and the EU wants that same deal, then there will be a deal. The only deal on the table is May's deal, and they rejected that by a massive majority just now.
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Sulphagnist posted:Then the EU will refuse an extension and NDB happens in two weeks, simple! Unless a GE or a ref is called
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seizure later posted:No Deal not happening requires this current government to either vote for a general election or a second referendum, neither of which they will do because it's political death for them. ayyup thursdays vote doesnt matter, it's salad dressing. the EU will not agree to an extension because they are not going to offer a deal other than what they have put forth, and they are going to get nothing different from May, nor any assurances of a GE or second referendum. The UK is almost assuredly leaving without a deal on the 29th.
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tomorrow's no deal defeat is all the excuse Bercow can possibly need to insist on hearing a legally binding gently caress This poo poo vote regardless of this joke of a dictator's opinion Little nauseous at relying on a tory speaker tbh
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The EU might be willing to grant an extension for a GE or 2nd referendum, yes. Because those would be reasons to have one. Personally I suspect a 2nd referendum is the most likely outcome because a GE or retraction are both very unlikely at this point, but I have no ideas a: what the questions would be or b: what the result would be.
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Sulphagnist posted:I edited my post to clarify - my point is that May can't just murder-suicide the UK by walking over Parliament in her capacity as Prime Minister, which is I think what the OP was asking about. If the Parliament wants a deal, and the EU wants that same deal, then there will be a deal. The EU agreed to a deal, which is now called "May's deal". Parliament told that deal to gently caress off. Parliament is free to create a new "deal", unilaterally, but the EU will tell that deal to gently caress off. hth
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