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Owlbear Camus posted:Hadley's Hope. I read that. It wasn't real bad, but Cold Forge is much better. The thing that pisses me off the most about the River of Pain series, is Ripley. The first one was an excellent idea for an Alien novel, and pretty well written. But they had to shoehorn Ripley in, and that sidetracked the character development they had going on. Ash taking over the lifeboat's AI was good stuff though.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Currently reading The Cold Forge which I'm enjoying -- though the present tense I find doesn't really add anything -- and am wondering what the consensus best Alien EU novels are. Stuff that's not aimed at 15 year olds, preferably.  I'm a real big fan of 'Aliens: Labyrinth', although I prefer the comic it's based on. On that topic, the Aliens comics can be a bit of a mixed bag but they've got a bunch of real winners, if you're willing to venture outside of specifically novels. The novels are a lot more limited, especially since like 2/3 of them are novelizations of the comics.
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Neo Rasa posted:For real, gently caress Whedon. From what I remember Whedon’s original newborn was some kind of spider monster (very possible it had hair, I think it had white skin with “pulsing red veins”). The Betty crashes on Earth where Ripley battles the newborn with a grenade launcher until Call kills it with some kind of flying combine harvester that happened to be lying around. All this hating on Whedon is warming my black heart 
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Xenomrph posted:If you're going strictly novels, you probably just read the best one. Oh great, so I've read the best one and it is all down hill from here.
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Well I mean it’s not like the rest are all aggressively bad, you should just temper your expectations. As mentioned, Labyrinth is cool and I’d love to see it adapted into a movie because it gets real crazy. It’s got a good balance of ‘Aliens’-style balls-out action and ‘Alien’-style horror and weirdness, and goes a long way to making the Alien “scary” again. I prefer the comic, but the novel will suffice; the comic has fantastic artwork, and changes up the pacing and order of events a bit. Genocide and Rogue are pretty schlocky fun with a lot of action and don’t take themselves that seriously. Music of the Spears is at least unique, centering around music as an art form. No Exit is great until the last act, where it just shits the bed. Alien Harvest is a lot smaller in scale and pretty neat, it’s just not super-great or anything. Berserker is a lot of balls-out action with an Alien extermination crew. Out of the Shadows is neat, even if it’s got a massive plot contrivance of including Ripley; that was a studio mandate by Fox when they contracted the book, and the author does a good job working around it. The audio drama adaptation is pretty cool, too; the Ripley sound-alike is real good, the other characters are well executed, and Rutger Hauer voices Ash (the voice-change is handwaved as him being played back through an audio system that doesn’t replicate his original voice). I mean a lot of them are pretty mindless but are at least entertaining, Cold Forge is just the best executed and the closest to a good book independent of being a media tie-in.
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I keep forgetting the name but the one where this religious colony is feeding cloned babies to an alien to keep it away was pretty interesting. Incredible art.
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CelticPredator posted:I keep forgetting the name but the one where this religious colony is feeding cloned babies to an alien to keep it away was pretty interesting. Incredible art. Aliens: Sacrifice Its sister story “Aliens: Salvation” is also great, with killer art by Mike Mignola. They each tackle religion from different angles, it’s pretty neat.
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That one owns too! Make those into movies!
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I remember the Batman/Aliens 2 crossover being pretty good until the third act. It starts out with a construction crew in Gotham accidentally finding an underground lab where a scientist who found an alien egg got got while studying it. It escapes and kills the whole crew and flees into the city. It goes off the rails when an oil rig or something turns out to be a research station and Killer Croc and the Joker are turned into aliens who use guns and it’s stupid as poo poo. Anyway I read it probably 15 years ago but I remember the start being pretty good. I never read the first series. e: yeah now I remember buying that comic at a comic book store in Orlando in 2003 when I also got a dope palisades numbered Alien warrior minibust that is still a centerpiece in my trinket display cabinet 
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All those subtitles they go with reminded me, if they actually did do a sequel to Isolation would just be called Alien: Isolation 2 or would they come up with a new but still unused one?
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Isolation Harder Isolation with a Vengeance Live Free in Isolation A Good Day to Isolate
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Fart City posted:I mean if you get down to brass tacks the whole premise is hosed from jump street. It makes no sense that they would be able to create a Ripley clone with a parasitic embryo inside from Ripley’s blood. Like either you’d just get Ripley, or you’d only get Brundleflies. IMO they should have left Ripley out alltogether, ditched the queen, and had the newborn be the sole producer of offspring. It's a perfectly cromulent premise, it's just that she should've come out like the transformed Species chick instead of a cool Super-Ripley. If you went into the clone room without seeing the end result first you'd even expect something like that. Psycho hybrid Ripley Queen being ripped apart while giving birth to a disgusting hermaphroditic Newborn, now there's an ending.
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McSpanky posted:It's a perfectly cromulent premise, it's just that she should've come out like the transformed Species chick instead of a cool Super-Ripley. If you went into the clone room without seeing the end result first you'd even expect something like that. Psycho hybrid Ripley Queen being ripped apart while giving birth to a disgusting hermaphroditic Newborn, now there's an ending. Same, and I do think part of the mess of the script was the regular alien queen being in there at all. Like pick one or the other. They even say outright the alien queen was the "real prize" of all of this so like why'd they even keep the clone Ripley around if they could make as many as they wanted whenever?
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Neo Rasa posted:Same, and I do think part of the mess of the script was the regular alien queen being in there at all. Like pick one or the other. They even say outright the alien queen was the "real prize" of all of this so like why'd they even keep the clone Ripley around if they could make as many as they wanted whenever? B..b..battle data?
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Neo Rasa posted:Same, and I do think part of the mess of the script was the regular alien queen being in there at all. Like pick one or the other. They even say outright the alien queen was the "real prize" of all of this so like why'd they even keep the clone Ripley around if they could make as many as they wanted whenever? I'm not defending Joss Whedon here by any means, but I'd imagine keeping a seemingly successful clone would be incredibly valuable to study for science. And knowing how lovely humans are, it would likely be for military-related purposes. McSpanky posted:It's a perfectly cromulent premise, it's just that she should've come out like the transformed Species chick instead of a cool Super-Ripley. If you went into the clone room without seeing the end result first you'd even expect something like that. Psycho hybrid Ripley Queen being ripped apart while giving birth to a disgusting hermaphroditic Newborn, now there's an ending. But what would a feminine looking monster creating raping penis monsters out of humans with no consent say thematically to the audience? 
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I'm like the biggest Whedon hater in this forum, but I'd say his script could have worked with John Woo directing as he envisioned, because it would become absurdist craziness. 99.9999 percent of people read the script *after* they saw the movie; but the script was available on newsgroups a year before the movie came out, and it read differently then. Instead of the "weird" Alien movie, it would have played out as the "ridiculous" one and been a really interesting addition.
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david_a posted:Obvious DLC is to play as Newt on Hadley’s Hope I always thought that would have been the best Aliens sequel *and* a great game.
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Darko posted:I always thought that would have been the best Aliens sequel *and* a great game. They can base this off the pretty good comic Aliens: Newt's Tale, which was an adaptation of Aliens but told entirely from her perspective from when the derelict is found and on.
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Neo Rasa posted:AlienIsolation solid lol
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Neo Rasa posted:All those subtitles they go with reminded me, if they actually did do a sequel to Isolation would just be called Alien: Isolation 2 or would they come up with a new but still unused one? Best call would probably be a word that sounds sorta like Isolation. Alien: Desolation, maybe?
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Darko posted:I'm like the biggest Whedon hater in this forum, but I'd say his script could have worked with John Woo directing as he envisioned, because it would become absurdist craziness. 99.9999 percent of people read the script *after* they saw the movie; but the script was available on newsgroups a year before the movie came out, and it read differently then. Instead of the "weird" Alien movie, it would have played out as the "ridiculous" one and been a really interesting addition. It still tickles me that Weyland-Yutani got bought out by WALMART, the bigger, eviller corporation.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Best call would probably be a word that sounds sorta like Isolation. Alien: Masturbation
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banned from Starbucks posted:Alien: Masturbation 50/50 this is a visual novel on Steam at this exact moment.
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https://twitter.com/spaceshipsporn/status/1105332590368694274?s=19 https://twitter.com/spaceshipsporn/status/1101210434227470336?s=19 ScottyJSno fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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Quit yer grinnin' and drop your linen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8C8OPS3avo 6 shorts, each by a different director/writer. Odds are good that at least one of them will be watchable, right? Right?
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That makes me sad because I missed the window for it so hard. Maybe next time I guess.
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ChickenHeart posted:Quit yer grinnin' and drop your linen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8C8OPS3avo There isn't really anything exciting you can do with the Alien that hasn't been done before. All of these shorts will just be boring variations on a theme or stories that would work with the alien in it or not.
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SimonCat posted:There isn't really anything exciting you can do with the Alien that hasn't been done before. All of these shorts will just be boring variations on a theme or stories that would work with the alien in it or not. Counterpoint: the last 30 years of Alien comics/novels/videogames, which have done exciting things with the Alien (with varying degrees of success).
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SimonCat posted:There isn't really anything exciting you can do with the Alien that hasn't been done before. All of these shorts will just be boring variations on a theme or stories that would work with the alien in it or not. The synopsis for all of them proves this. They are exactly the same apart from people and place names.
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PriorMarcus posted:The synopsis for all of them proves this. They are exactly the same apart from people and place names. The thing is, you can say the same thing about any of the Alien movies themselves, too. The basic 2-sentence summaries of any of the Alien movies don’t indicate anything special, and you could conceivably swap out the Alien for any Generic Unstoppable Space Monster #7362. I’m reserving judgment on the Alien shorts until I actually see them.
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Does it matter? It's the 40th anniversary and Fox is blowing some Disney bux before they lose complete control of the property. It's pretty much a thing for the fans when they could've just pocketed whatever the budget was?
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This discussion is exactly why Scott's prequels were so great. They absolutely did not feel like soulless rehashes of the original(with the exception of like 10 minutes of Covenant), which is always a big risk with a series like Alien.
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SimonCat posted:There isn't really anything exciting you can do with the Alien that hasn't been done before. Isn't there though? https://twitter.com/nvmusa/status/1105535073305137152    
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