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Sir Lemming posted:Best-of lists are lame, just watch all of it and if an episode is boring you, browse Facebook or something. You should absolutely skip Code of Honor though.
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Oh yeah I could name 20 to skip, just not 20 to watch
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Mar 16, 2019 20:52
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Saru is pretty ok, I like the portrayal of Pike, season 2 Michael is considerably better. The rest of the crew exist. Having a stupid season long arc with ~ the red angel~ sucks, as does everything involving section 31 and I'm definitely not a fan of retconning Spock's family, especially how shittily they've done Sarek
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Mar 16, 2019 20:55
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Seriously, if you're trying to distill something like TNG or DS9 to 20 episodes apiece, just... don't bother watching it at all.
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Mar 16, 2019 20:57
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It sucks to just be like "watch everything you cowards" but honestly I feel like a dick trying to cherry-pick just a few episodes when it's like, the whole experience the bad with the good that you need And you do need it, even if you think you don't you do otherwise you won't ever really know
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Mar 16, 2019 21:03
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Drone posted:You should absolutely skip Code of Honor though. Yea there's a few that it's worth just dropping and you won't lose anything but even bad ones like Angel One miss the chance to see "Send the pretty man to seduce the important woman" which is a rarity even in stuff now. And it's fun bad rather than "Turn this poo poo off" bad. Tsaedje posted:Saru is pretty ok, I like the portrayal of Pike, season 2 Michael is considerably better. The rest of the crew exist. I like Saru, I like Tilly. Pike is decent. But the stories are stupid. They already did the "might destroy the universe!!!" bit in season 1 and I feel like this one is doing the same. Being able to just teleport to the beta quadrant and find a bunch of humans or Saru evolving into some Post-Kelpian and all that just feels like too much and the show never has a time to break.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:10
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DS9 Season 3: House of Quark is an extremely fun episode. Grillka is fantastic. Second Skin - there's a weird thing with this episode that makes me think they rewrote the last part. If Kira was just an accessory to the plan to unmask a dissident, why was the Obsidian Order trying so hard to convince Kira she's really Cardassian? I guess you could say they were trying to make the most of things and get some secrets out of her, but that seems less interesting. I felt like that was originally the episode's main plot, and the mysterious Kira-body that gets wheeled out of cold storage would turn out to be the Cardassian woman they were trying to convince Kira of being - years before, altered to look Bajoran and replace Kira, but she failed and died. Civil Defense - holy poo poo Dukat. When he teleports in and starts swaggering like "sup losers?" while everyone's cowering from phaser fire, I could not stop laughing. Creative use of the replicators as deadly weapons too. Meridian - obviously sucks, but a rare genuinely strong bit of emotional acting from Farrell and Brooks when they say goodbye. Destiny - nice to have more good Cardassians, and holy poo poo that's Tracy "Sheridan" Scoggins as the hot Cardy with the flowerpot hairdo! Hilarious. I read she liked her make up job so much, she wandered the studio lot and deliberately terrified a busload of schoolkids, lol Also honorary mention for season 1's the Forsaken. I'm not normally a fan of Lwaxana, but the whole scene in the elevator where she drops her act with Odo is so, so good.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:11
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davidspackage posted:Civil Defense - holy poo poo Dukat. When he teleports in and starts swaggering like "sup losers?" while everyone's cowering from phaser fire, I could not stop laughing. Creative use of the replicators as deadly weapons too. It is his greatest moment especially when it blows up in his face. so loving great.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:14
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With TNG you're probably better off asking for a list of 20 episodes to skip than 20 episodes to watch.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:15
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The Outrageous Okana is a masterpiece. Fight me IRL.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:16
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demand she watches the whole thing on threat of divorce
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Mar 16, 2019 21:21
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but let her start with season 3 do not be unreasonable
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Mar 16, 2019 21:22
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Taear posted:Yea there's a few that it's worth just dropping and you won't lose anything but even bad ones like Angel One miss the chance to see "Send the pretty man to seduce the important woman" which is a rarity even in stuff now. And it's fun bad rather than "Turn this poo poo off" bad. The stakes are too high, too soon and too constantly. Star Trek is best when it's not "the fate of the universe!!!" They've approached more of what I'd like to see with a few episodes but then they ruin it by forcing it to tie in with the fate of the universe shite and really lazy attempts at fanservice in the same bad ways the JJ films did.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:29
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just give them 20 episodes instead of scolding themcode:
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Mar 16, 2019 21:30
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Pinterest Mom posted:just give them 20 episodes instead of scolding them
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Tsaedje posted:The stakes are too high, too soon and too constantly. Star Trek is best when it's not "the fate of the universe!!!" They've approached more of what I'd like to see with a few episodes but then they ruin it by forcing it to tie in with the fate of the universe shite and really lazy attempts at fanservice in the same bad ways the JJ films did. My preferred stakes are somewhere between "Masks" and "Move Along Home" with an occasional dash of "Rascals".
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Mar 16, 2019 21:35
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lol but seriously I posted:but let her start with season 3 do not be unreasonable There are a few episodes from s1 and 2 worth watching. Conspiracy from s1 is must watch. In S2, I'd have a hard time telling someone to skip episodes 3, 8-11, 13, 14, 16-18, 20-21.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:35
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Spacebump posted:3, 8-11, 13, 14, 16-18, 20-21. SELF-DESTRUCT ACTIVATED 5 MINUTES UNTIL SELF-DESTRUCT
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Mar 16, 2019 21:36
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Spacebump posted:There are a few episodes from s1 and 2 worth watching. Conspiracy from s1 is must watch. In S2, I'd have a hard time telling someone to skip episodes 3, 8-11, 13, 14, 16-18, 20-21. yes but they can act as a nice bonus. like you watch for the jank & 90s (i know it was the 80s) TOS weirdness and the occasional good poo poo spices things up. obviously she will already be hooked by this point having watched the rest of the series but season three is real strong and a good place to start.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:40
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The Bloop posted:it's not scodling you ninny is an honest assessment that you'd be doing the episodes and yourself a disservice I'm open to how much we watch, but we honestly just don't do big TV binges and we really don't want to dedicate ourselves to watching 178 episodes.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:47
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Pinterest Mom posted:just give them 20 episodes instead of scolding them Like....what's the point watching measure of a man if you don't even know who Data is? If you're grounded in sci-fi I guess it works but it's not going to be the same. That goes for so much of that list. Tsaedje posted:The stakes are too high, too soon and too constantly. Star Trek is best when it's not "the fate of the universe!!!" They've approached more of what I'd like to see with a few episodes but then they ruin it by forcing it to tie in with the fate of the universe shite and really lazy attempts at fanservice in the same bad ways the JJ films did. Yea. Like okay in the most recent orville two parter I was prettysure nothing horrible would happen. But it still can. When you're saying the universe will be destroyed it's absolutely 100% clear that's not happening.
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Mar 16, 2019 21:58
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davidspackage posted:Second Skin - there's a weird thing with this episode that makes me think they rewrote the last part. If Kira was just an accessory to the plan to unmask a dissident, why was the Obsidian Order trying so hard to convince Kira she's really Cardassian? I guess you could say they were trying to make the most of things and get some secrets out of her, but that seems less interesting. I felt like that was originally the episode's main plot, and the mysterious Kira-body that gets wheeled out of cold storage would turn out to be the Cardassian woman they were trying to convince Kira of being - years before, altered to look Bajoran and replace Kira, but she failed and died. They were in a hurry to get to a place where she was considered non-cooperative and to set off the old man. They did change the ending though, the original ending was going to have Bashir tell Kira that her actual identity was inconclusive and he couldn't say for sure that she wasn't a cardassian operative.
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counterfeitsaint posted:They were in a hurry to get to a place where she was considered non-cooperative and to set off the old man. Wow, the Cardassians are super good at that, and everything 
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Pick posted:Wow, the Cardassians are super good at that, and everything It involves Dukat, three generations of Bajoran women, and the orb of time.
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Mar 16, 2019 22:57
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The Bloop posted:It involves Dukat, three generations of Bajoran women, and the orb of time. Wow, the Cardassians are super good at that, and everything
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Tsaedje posted:The stakes are too high, too soon and too constantly. Star Trek is best when it's not "the fate of the universe!!!" They've approached more of what I'd like to see with a few episodes but then they ruin it by forcing it to tie in with the fate of the universe shite and really lazy attempts at fanservice in the same bad ways the JJ films did. Remember, it wasn't the fate of the universe, it was the fate of the ***multiverse***.
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Mar 16, 2019 23:07
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Peachfart posted:Remember, it wasn't the fate of the universe, it was the fate of the ***multiverse***. Next season: the Omniverse The Omniverse is in danger and only Michael Burnham and Spock and Michael Burnham can save it by jumpstarting the Q Continuum
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Mar 16, 2019 23:11
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VOY S04E26 ("Hope and Fear") has a good villain speech
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Tighclops posted:They might get close but they'll never do more than pay lip service to the kinds of ideals the previous shows would at least aspire to lest the writers offend or frighten their bosses I get that you hate the show, but the claim that this show has execs that are more cowardly than Berman and crew is laughable.
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galenanorth posted:VOY S04E26 ("Hope and Fear") has a good villain speech Ray Wise is the best even in chemo patient makeup Geekboy posted:I get that you hate the show, but the claim that this show has execs that are more cowardly than Berman and crew is laughable. I wouldn't say they're more afraid, rather they're just motivated to produce a safe and boring product Old Story fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Mar 17, 2019 |
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Mar 17, 2019 04:17
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Old Story posted:I wouldn't say they're more afraid, rather they're just motivated to produce a safe and boring product Again: Maybe you don’t like it (and that’s fine), but I don’t understand where this idea comes from.
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Geekboy posted:Again: Maybe you don’t like it (and that’s fine), but I don’t understand where this idea comes from. I mean, structurally, it's obvious to me that they have less freedom to explore things like character motivation, moral issues and science fiction problems than in previous Trek iterations When Trek was in its TV prime networks were still hungry for content to fill screens. So you get 25 episode seasons where they were still literally accepting interesting fan scripts just to fill time slots, and this resulted in lots of weird but interesting conceptual episodes they took risks on weird poo poo Now it's high budget 10-episode arcs with loving Alex Kurtzmann at the helm where the stakes are always "all life in the galaxy will die" stuff in a subscription-only model where it has to appeal to the widest possible audience or die a slow commercial death Also, I don't hate DIS! I am in a 50-year relationship with a TV series where, while we have our ups and downs, we will both survive this rough patch
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Mar 17, 2019 04:41
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Old Story posted:I mean, structurally, it's obvious to me that they have less freedom to explore things like character motivation, moral issues and science fiction problems than in previous Trek iterations No but they showed a cock and said gently caress and did war crimes so that makes it grown up and relevant For real I'm glad this show acknowledges that gay people exist but it's deepest cuts are embarrassingly shallow compared even to contemporary genre fiction and for that reason even when they pivot away from the grimdark stuff it still feels empty
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I mean, I’d love to see more and all, but we have a bridge crew that’s more women than ever, way more women behind the scenes than ever before, more people of color on and off-screen than ever before, the cast and writers straight up talking about things like the 13th amendment allowing the prison system to put people into modern-day slavery (heard Sonequa Martin-Green on a panel today in Seattle and was kinda surprised she just went all the at there, but she did) ... It could still be better, but everyone I’ve seen involved with the show is saying “we did our best, but we want to do even better.” They talk about the legacy of Trek and what the burden of that means to them. They all care very much about this being the most diverse and inclusive entry so far. I understand you don’t like the show. I can see some of your reasons and just disagree with you. This one, I think you’re just wrong.
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Mar 17, 2019 07:30
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Inclusive, diverse grimdark fascism.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Inclusive, diverse grimdark fascism. I think it’s time to get some new writers. This material is getting really stale.
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Gonz posted:SELF-DESTRUCT ACTIVATED Thanks a lot Gonz, now everyone knows! Old Story posted:Also, I don't hate DIS! I am in a 50-year relationship with a TV series where, while we have our ups and downs, we will both survive this rough patch This is a hideously unhealthy way to relate to fiction.
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Mar 17, 2019 09:51
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Geekboy posted:I think it’s time to get some new writers. This material is getting really stale. It's the truth. "More women prison guards" doesn't make the system not poo poo, and DiS isn't very star trek at all. I'm glad there are more POC and women in it but it'd be better if that was the case with a show that was good.
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Geekboy posted:I mean, I’d love to see more and all, but we have a bridge crew that’s more women than ever, way more women behind the scenes than ever before, more people of color on and off-screen than ever before, the cast and writers straight up talking about things like the 13th amendment allowing the prison system to put people into modern-day slavery (heard Sonequa Martin-Green on a panel today in Seattle and was kinda surprised she just went all the at there, but she did) ... Yeah they're talking about it in part because the show showed that apparently the loving Federation in Star Trek uses prison slave labor gently caress Discovery.
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