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That Works posted:Would he beat Cornyn though? Even with a 50-50 or 45-55 chance to beat Cornyn, that's better than a 0.1% for President or, I suppose, a long shot at being a VP pick
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2020 should likely have higher D turnout if he went for the senate so who knows.
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Well I guess the alternative would be other TX dems with high statewide profiles, such as
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Beto has a better shot of beating Cornyn than winning VP but this is better for his brand. From a purely strategic standpoint, we'd be far better served if he ran for Senate and let his coattails murder the GOP Proud Christian Mom fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Mar 17, 2019 |
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Mar 17, 2019 20:14
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Zeroisanumber posted:This dude loving hero.
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I think Beto is ok to not great as a candidate on paper, but off paper he's a great speaker and I don't think you can say that about many of the other candidates. That's going to be his strong suit. The guy is great at unplanned responses and remarks in a way that none of the other candidates get very near. His backstory is ok to solid and his answers to the issues found within are good. Great name recognition without much baggage other than he lost to Ted cruze in Texas, and that's not much. On top of that, his map in Texas looks amazing if you scale it nationally. And the man has amazing presence in person. Buttigieg is interesting and is likely to make some impact. Great speaker, good backstory. Will move the convocation but I doubt will be taken seriously unless he gets some suction with bigger Washington players somehow. Everyone else is basically a known quantity with a built-in constituency.
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Can someone give me a rundown on Buttguy? So far he sounds awesome.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Can someone give me a rundown on Buttguy? So far he sounds awesome. Gay vet mayor of South Bend. Ran for DNC chair after 2016.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Can someone give me a rundown on Buttguy? So far he sounds awesome. South Bend mayor, gay, has two cool dogs (one has one eye), is appreciably left, speaks like 7 languages conversationally, hasn't been proximate to any grievous sins in the past but is also pretty low profile
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Amusingly, Mayor Pete is largely too young to be involved in a long career of political misdeeds.
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Beto can gently caress right off if he's not on the single payer train
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Zeroisanumber posted:This dude if he was white his movie rights would currently be in a bidding war between Clint Eastwood and Michael Bay.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Beto can gently caress right off if he's not on the single payer train I don't mind his actual answer Asked directly Friday if his goal is to get to a single-payer system, he said, “No, my goal is to get to guaranteed, high-quality universal health care for all, and I think there are many ways to get there."
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Nick Soapdish posted:Even with a 50-50 or 45-55 chance to beat Cornyn, that's better than a 0.1% for President or, I suppose, a long shot at being a VP pick Ah, fair point
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Beto has a better shot of beating Cornyn than winning VP but this is better for his brand. Pretty much this. If Beto weren't an egotistical moron, running for the Senate again would do a hell of a lot more to help keep or flip more TX house races. Also he refused to endorse the Dem candidate in a house races in Texas,Gina Ortiz Jones, because she was running against his friend. His friend had since said he wouldn't support Beto over Trump, so good job there! The whole thing pissed me off cause she was an awesome candidate for that race and only lost by a few hundred votes if I recall correctly. Beto is basically the new John Edwards but without the resume.
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Woah he knocked up a staffer too??
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Arcella posted:Woah he knocked up a staffer too?? His past escapades with real estate and tech have probably guaranteed that, he comes off like someone who thinks their actions are consequence-free.
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My thought was that they already dug on him pretty hard and what they came up with was pretty inconsequential or endearing.
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bird cooch posted:I don't mind his actual answer what are the other ways
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Tryzzub posted:what are the other ways One of the things that has been thrown around with increasing regularity is covering all children under Medicare until they are 18. And then scaling from there. There's also Medicare buy in with rebates and a ton of other methods to getting to universal health Care without trying to slam through single payer in one push. Continuing to scale the affordable Care act as it was intended would be a great way. The bad things about incremental progress on a subject is that a takes a long time, can be slowed or stopped and sometimes partially pushed back. The bad things about immediate Mass change is that there are very very difficult to implement, have immense growing pains and either come to be or don't. All or nothing vs steps. Americans have shown to be very resistant too giant policy swings and have short memories for good things and long memories for hardship. bird cooch fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 17, 2019 |
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bird cooch posted:One of the things that has been thrown around with increasing regularity is covering all children under Medicare until they are 18. And then scaling from there. Yeah gently caress this x1000 our system needs a dramatic reconstruction 20 years ago.
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bird cooch posted:My thought was that they already dug on him pretty hard and what they came up with was pretty inconsequential or endearing. Didn't his dad help him get off light after a DUI or something? bird cooch posted:One of the things that has been thrown around with increasing regularity is covering all children under Medicare until they are 18. And then scaling from there. This is actually really clever.
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My biggest beef with Beto is that he obviously doesn't have any sort of concrete platform or deeply held positions to build his plank off of. Besides being a great orator, 2008 Obama put some serious thought into his policy positions on Iraq, race relations, and healthcare and articulated his reasoning on the stump. So far Beto's got the soaring rhetoric but hasn't put much substance behind it. In particular, you'd think a guy who just came off a US Senate campaign would be more prepared to answer questions on his policy stances.
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Beto and the others keep tap dancing around the socialism because Fox will call them socialists even harder
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The time for slow and steady incremental change was about two or three decades ago. We have approximately negative time left for big, sweeping changes in poo poo like decent wages and healthcare in this country and addressing climate change globally. The United States got reeeeeealy loving lucky that the first person to go down the path of balls to the wall fascist is a demented narcissist whose  are matched only by astonishing stupidity and incompetence. We dodged the first bullet, the next one is going to be a kill shot. There are a LOT of people whose lives loving suck and are openly seeking out the authoritarian strongman solution.gently caress going slow, we need to go for broke.
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Slow and steady means that people are dying and going broke in droves because you're afraid the electorate don't like it E: slow and steady climate change plan means your children literally inherit hell earth lol
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Beto and the others keep tap dancing around the socialism because Fox will call them socialists even harder Which is loving stupid because you can run to the right of Reagan and they'll still say it. Either go for broke or don't bother at all.
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If a candidate isn't willing to commit to a specific policy during the dem primary when dem voters are demanding specific policy proposals, the candidate doesn't want to do anything. It's not like they're going to get more aggressive after getting elected. Also if a specific policy on medical coverage doesn't address medical debt, that plan will perpetuate medical debt. And as long as people have to choose between living and debt, a lot of people will die from being poor.
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Eej posted:E: slow and steady climate change plan means your children literally inherit hell earth lol The people who vote the most don't give a poo poo about their children or anyone elses lmao
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bird food bathtub posted:The time for slow and steady incremental change was about two or three decades ago. We have approximately negative time left for big, sweeping changes in poo poo like decent wages and healthcare in this country and addressing climate change globally. The United States got reeeeeealy loving lucky that the first person to go down the path of balls to the wall fascist is a demented narcissist whose No exaggeration, tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year due from a lack of access to healthcare. Based on the current standards, there's a clear case to declare a national loving emergency and pull military funds to pay for UHC.
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I'm all about Mayor Pete. Too bad about 3 otherwise insignificant states control the nominating process and he probably won't make it past them to the places that'll actually vote for him.
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Sacrist65 posted:if he was white his movie rights would currently be in a bidding war between Clint Eastwood and Michael Bay. And either mark walberg or tom hanks would be cast to play him.
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Hey y'all I'm just putting out what's out there. These aren't my positions you asked a question I answered it. All or nothing doesn't have a super successful track record in the US. Medicaid is fairly popular, an expansion seems pretty safe. I got out of a DUI when I was a teenager too. Nobody got hurt, it was in The boondocks, and the judge didn't want to ruin a teenager's life. I'm not saying it's right I'm not saying it's not white privilege, but it's not out of the ordinary or particularly special especially 20 years ago. The political answer to that is the same political answer Obama gave the openly smoking pot as a teenager. "There but for the grace of God go I" I agree that he needs to find some more serious footing, but the point I was putting out there is that he is the antithesis in a lot of ways of many of the rest of the potential contenders. Same with buttigieg to a point, buttigieg doesn't really have anything to stand on. -------end Beto chat-------below lies my own opinion--- And for the record I really like the idea of expanding Medicaid to cover people under 18 and letting it grow from there. Give people a taste of something. It's not a 100% solution but looking at the political gyrations of the last couple of decades the idea of some far-reaching FDR style program seems more than a little bit out of reach. Aspiring to something is great, but making a promise that is likely to go unfulfilled we have seen in recent history loses you power in two short years. People came into the Obama administration not understanding how the process works and lost hope by the time the first round of midterms came to be. And if you don't think the next president's inheriting a recession, I got some charts and graphs to show you hoss.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:No exaggeration, tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year due from a lack of access to healthcare. Based on the current standards, there's a clear case to declare a national loving emergency and pull military funds to pay for UHC. and hey that's totally reasonable our military budgets hugely swollen unnecessarily after two bullshit wars that we somehow managed to pay for, I'm just telling you that in between proposal and implementation there's a lot of risk of losing everything simply by losing the house or the Senate assuming that somehow the coattails of the candidate are strong enough to carry both the house and the Senate into power. Ain't nothing in this country happen in a year. If you think it does you don't understand the scale of the machine.
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It only took eight years from Kennedy saying “we’re going to the god damned moon” to dudes landing on the moon, and establishing universal healthcare is a lot easier than going to the moon because we already have every other developed nation’s program to look at as a model.
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You know they're going to go with the VA model.
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iKon posted:It only took eight years from Kennedy saying “we’re going to the god damned moon” to dudes landing on the moon, and establishing universal healthcare is a lot easier than going to the moon because we already have every other developed nation’s program to look at as a model. Yeah doe to decades of ICBM research that was readily adaptable and scalable and huge huge public support on the scale of a world war. Think about the initial invasion of Iraq and how much of a shitshow that was. And the military had been preparing for these kind of movements and deployments for most of its existence. Now imagine the people doing the suffering due to mistakes, incompetence, and scaling shortages are regular civilians who get the bitch complain publicly instead of the enlisted you just get the bitch and complain to each other. And then you've got 50% plus or minus of the population who doesn't want this in the first place and they are directly affected by it instead of it being some nebulous war on some country that they can't find on a map on the other side of the world that they've been being sold on for a year. I'm just saying plans rarely survive implementation. And the bigger the pieces and shorter the timeline, the more likely a total failure. And what are the chances of one party controlling all three levels of power for the eighth year period? Or giving a conservative supreme Court the ability to strike the entire thing down in one fell swoop? All of our eggs in one basket is not only bad planning, it's bad policy.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:You know they're going to go with the VA model. That's a great example of something that is constantly sabotaged with the hope/goal of privatization for decades with the changes in power in Washington.
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