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Zack Ater posted:Small nitpick, but the first IQ stack doesn't count; you can easily see this because IQ1+Blessing gives the same quality that IQ1+Prudent does. So it's 300%, 200%, and 400%, respectively. Also due to this, Blessing and Brow are equal efficiency after Miracle, and Brow doesn't have to be under Steady Hand since it's 100% success as a specialist, plus it costs less cp. why would they start you at one stack and then not count that stack goddammit square enix that's the stupidest UI decision ever
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Starting to hit 70 with all gatherers and crafters. Any tips on working towards the 340 gear?
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Mar 18, 2019 18:13
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Vargatron posted:WoW DPS is way easier to optimize because, for the most part, rotations are way simpler than FF14 equivalents. Plus, it's easy to swap specs to whatever the FOTM is, while in FF14, you have to level a completely new class if you want to do that. There's also much less need to change to FOTM in 14 because the degree of imbalance between jobs is tiny by comparison.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:15
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DontMindMe posted:Starting to hit 70 with all gatherers and crafters. If you're on Exodus I can craft you some stuff. If you're on Excal, maybe another goon can. Otherwise, I'd recommend doing your weekly custom deliveries to get yellow scrip to buy shared... i350? gear with. Handking/landking stuff.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:22
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DontMindMe posted:Starting to hit 70 with all gatherers and crafters. Ask a friend and provide mats Zack Ater posted:If you're on Exodus I can craft you some stuff. If you're on Excal, maybe another goon can. Otherwise, I'd recommend doing your weekly custom deliveries to get yellow scrip to buy shared... i350? gear with. Handking/landking stuff.  Don’t waste yellow scrip on 350 stuff, buy kingcraft demimateria and start grinding out all the red scrip you need for the folklore books and master crafter books
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Mar 18, 2019 18:25
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I meant at this point we're close enough to 5.0 that I'd argue there's not much point to getting (and especially melding) the crafted stuff on your own. But getting mats and having a friend/goon do the crafting is definitely the best way to get geared.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:29
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The melding is cheap as poo poo I melded when control 5s were 80k and control 6s were 300k+; control 6s were 20k each last week
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Mar 18, 2019 18:32
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As someone who came into HW and SB crafting/gathering with low stat gear, I do recommend getting some current crafting/gathering gear for a head start. As phone said, materia's reasonably cheap right now. Also, lots of folks can craft the gear if you provide mats (and maybe even if you don't), and you can stockpile Manuals & Cordials from GC vendor/squadron weekly/scrips.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:37
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Thanks for info. How far should I push gathering gear in order to collect the mats I need?
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Mar 18, 2019 18:39
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Failboattootoot posted:I kinda feel like ff14 players are better at doing mechanics while WoW players are generally better at DPS optimization. I definitely remember WoW LFR being a constant shitshow at all times no matter what, whereas I almost never get that feeling in FF14 outside of week 1 and 2 patch raids. And even then I've only had to vote abandon like once in 5 years. By the same token though, all those people who can do mechanics in ff14 are paradoxically super inclined to be doing 2/3rd's the dps they should be doing and that is being generous. Probably some sort of mix of damage parsers not being as readily available and people playing off jobs in the casual stuff that they don't gear out like their main jobs if I had to guess. Also WoW players optimize DPS more because parsers are more widespread and they generally see if they’re sucking, either themselves or when someone pastes the parse on chat. So they have more incentive to get better.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:39
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That or they quit doing group content/playing all together
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Mar 18, 2019 18:42
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DontMindMe posted:Thanks for info. How far should I push gathering gear in order to collect the mats I need? You can gather the next tier's mats with the previous tier. IIRC they go like: -Baseline level 60 gear (Windsilk) -1st green set (Ala Mhigan) -2nd green set (Hingan/Doman) All those are crafted. Least fun part imo is getting the folklore books, takes a lot of Red Scrips. Advantages are that they can be melded & overmelded, and all but the weapons/offhands are job-agnostic (saves inventory space). Also, if a friend crafts them for you (whether you give them the mats or they're generous and hook it all up), you can get going right away. There's also a blue set and then an augmented blue set, can buy those from the vendor for Yellow Scrips. They're accessible and a few of the items are competitive with the crafted gear (mostly offhands for gatherers), but they can still take time to acquire. Most efficient are weekly deliveries - presuming highest quality, less than 30m a week will cap Red/Yellow Scrips and then some. Turn-ins from other items are possible but rather grindy. Also, most (maybe all?) can't be melded, so some higher end recipes will be out of reach.
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Control 6s are still 120k+ over here  And even if they are individually cheap, that's still (if every meld takes exactly average attempts) 96 tier 6 and 472 tier 5 for a fully melded set, which is overall not cheap. I assume someone just now leveling crafters and gatherers likely isn't rich, either.Like I've said twice, I do think having someone else craft you gear is the better way to do it, but if that's not doable then I don't see the problem in picking up some yellow scrip gear to help? It's shared, it's certainly not bad, and it's miles better than making a full AM set just to make the current stuff with, or dumping a bunch of red scrip into WWYW and crafter souls.
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Less than a week to the final Shadowbringers fanfest. We know we'll get to see the other job(s), the 8-man raid series concept, the Dwarves beast tribe, the other main Primal, and the full trailer. (And Hrothgar if they are going to show them.) Things that have been shown off/teased in prior trailers: 1.0/ARR- The three starting Eorzean Alliance City-States and Primals, Odin and Behemoth world FATEs Heavensward- Ishgard and the Sea of Clouds Stormblood- Rhalgr's Reach and Kugane, the Temple of the Fist and the Shisui of the Violet Tides A common thread from all previous ones that has yet to be realized in the Shadowbringers trailer - a look at a hub city for the expansion. Something I thought about in light of the Dwarves, and the end of Orbonne Monestary:  I was already thinking of an Underground zone, but if Noah isn't a major player in the MSQ, he's still the legatus of the IVth legion, and well, Dwarves + FF IV being what it is, I wonder if the 8-man Raids or the Trials will be related to that. Also, more details on the English streaming translation. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/b6b35002047641280bb8e648fecb9f54f4623d5c The Keynote Address on day 1, the Live Letter and the Dev Panel on day 2 will all be translated by Koji Fox and North American Community Director Matt Hilton. It will not be real-time stage presence at the convention but will be them watching the stream and commenting. (Light shame they won't be covering the guest panels, but this is already going to be some work.)
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Zack Ater posted:Control 6s are still 120k+ over here Yeah if you want to gear up without getting/paying someone else to make the top end stuff, then selectively buying yellow scrip gear is a godsend.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:01
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I just hit 70 on gatherers and looked at the prices of crafted+materia vs an hour or so a week to get all yellow scrip gear and went with scrip.
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Xalidur posted:Old news to most but I ran Orbonne for the first time last night and it was amazing, all the more so since FFT is my favorite FF. I also won a lovely Agrias chest for my Warrior since presumably I was the only tank still rolling Need. Gear drops are for each party, not the entire alliances. You were the only tank rolling need because theres only 1 tank per party.
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Boogalo posted:I just hit 70 on gatherers and looked at the prices of crafted+materia vs an hour or so a week to get all yellow scrip gear and went with scrip. yup. if i had to guess its close to 30 million for a full set of the yama gatherers gear plus materia and i have no interest in attempting to farm that much gil with gear that can't even get HQ evergleam. hard pass
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Trasson posted:Yeah if you want to gear up without getting/paying someone else to make the top end stuff, then selectively buying yellow scrip gear is a godsend. For DoL and DoH I usually just tend to get the yellow scrip main and off-hands and then buy or craft the rest. The main reason I avoid getting the yellow scrip gear is because they're job-specific sometimes and I don't want them all clogging up my inventory. Although it looks like the most recent DoL gear is shared, so maybe that isn't an issue anymore.
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Goons help I'm leveling crafters should I spend millions of gil on 340 pentamelded gear that will be outdated halfway through the new expansion that's three months away or literally nothing on 350 scrip gear that will be slightly worse but outdated at basically the same time.Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:For DoL and DoH I usually just tend to get the yellow scrip main and off-hands and then buy or craft the rest. The main reason I avoid getting the yellow scrip gear is because they're job-specific sometimes and I don't want them all clogging up my inventory. Although it looks like the most recent DoL gear is shared, so maybe that isn't an issue anymore. Yeah the 350 gear works across classes (though DoH and DoL are still separate, of course)
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The crafted DoL gear is cuter than the scrip stuff, so you need to take that into consideration too.
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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:The crafted DoL gear is cuter than the scrip stuff, so you need to take that into consideration too. This is fair and the only response I've seen that's actually a good argument for the 340 gear. I glammed the landking stuff immediately back to tackleking when I bought it because it's uggo as fuuuuck (also the tackleking top is cute as heck)
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IcePhoenix posted:Goons help I'm leveling crafters should I spend millions of gil on 340 pentamelded gear that will be outdated halfway through the new expansion that's three months away or literally nothing on 350 scrip gear that will be slightly worse but outdated at basically the same time. You don't need to pentameld the 340 gear though. I think I have like, 6 or 7 overmelds total over all my gear and none deeper than the first. Also, my overmelded hw gear took me all the way to 70 with little issue. Also, getting the mats for the 340 gear is way less effort than grinding the scrip for the gear.
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jalapeno_dude posted:Losing those 5 stacks also decreases your Control, though. Is it still worth it taking this into account? Experience as well as a quick check in a sim tells me that the combo play still gets more Quality.
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I'm also starting to level my crafting up because I haven't touched it since day one of the game and all this talk of overmelding and scripts and stuff frighten me greatly. I'm not rolling in gil so I'll remember this stuff for the future. I just want to cap and be ready to move into next expansion, knowing I missed the boat for tradeskilled fortunes this time around. I also regret not being able to play on Excal anymore and have that sweet sweet goon support network. If my static would move (and give up their house) I'd come back in a heartbeat. For now I'm just going to get everything to at least 50 and sort it out from there. Givin fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Givin posted:I'm also starting to level my crafting up because I haven't touched it since day one of the game and all this talk of overmelding and scripts and stuff frighten me greatly. I'm not rolling in gil so I'll remember this stuff for the future. I just want to cap and be ready to move into next expansion, knowing I missed the boat for tradeskilled fortunes this time around. I think you've got the right idea - take it slow and incremental, don't worry overmuch about current endgame. FWIW I will say the current endgame progression is not too bad. You can go hard in the paint with overmelds, but you can get IV-VI with scrips (and lots are cheap anyway). Also, if you level up with Ixal, you should have a lot of Oaknots which translates into I-IIIs for final overmelds. I was drawn away from endgame crafting/gathering during HW, but (presuming you're not starting with Ironworks) SB's leveling curve is quite good once you get to like 62-63, and the endgame recipes are solved problems. I think it's a reasonable grind.
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Givin posted:I'm also starting to level my crafting up because I haven't touched it since day one of the game and all this talk of overmelding and scripts and stuff frighten me greatly. I'm not rolling in gil so I'll remember this stuff for the future. I just want to cap and be ready to move into next expansion, knowing I missed the boat for tradeskilled fortunes this time around. If It helps Ive done absolutely none of that and can craft most of my own stuff fine. I just leveled using the beast tribes and got scrip gear as a part of doing the custom delivery turn-ins over the course of a few weeks. It cost me very little gil. The hardest part was the ARR + HW quest turn-ins.
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SonicRulez posted:
In the Shirogane housing ward you can also /doze under the big sand mound things  or /sit on the edge of the covered picnic area 
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Kashuno posted:Never drawing the Spire again will be the best thing this game has ever done for me Keep Ewer and change Spire to the launch 3.0 effect of reducing MP cost.
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Trasson posted:Experience as well as a quick check in a sim tells me that the combo play still gets more Quality. Yeah, playing around with a sim it looks like you effectively get 25% more total quality from doing this than Blessing by itself, with that multiplier very slowly decreasing as Control increases. Having said that it's only ~3000-4000 quality more at level 70, so I think I'd almost always rather spend the CP on more Hasty Touch/Hasty Touch II spam, but this strat hadn't occurred to me before and it's always useful to have more tools, so thanks for posting it.
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Vitamean posted:Keep Ewer and change Spire to the launch 3.0 effect of reducing MP cost. I can hear the BLMs bitching already. 
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johnny park posted:yup. if i had to guess its close to 30 million for a full set of the yama gatherers gear plus materia and i have no interest in attempting to farm that much gil with gear that can't even get HQ evergleam. hard pass What?
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johnny park posted:yup. if i had to guess its close to 30 million for a full set of the yama gatherers gear plus materia and i have no interest in attempting to farm that much gil with gear that can't even get HQ evergleam. hard pass lol it's like less than a million for the full set of gear and tools unless you're buying it fully crafted, and maybe 3-4million in materia.  and I can get HQ anything so I don't know what the gently caress you're on about
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Failboattootoot posted:Also, getting the mats for the 340 gear is way less effort than grinding the scrip for the gear. You will notice that I never mentioned effort in my quoted post, and also it takes me like less than an hour to do my 12 weekly custom deliveries which is a shitload of yellow scrip.
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Even so, yellow scrip on gatherers is ridiculously easy to grind. If you dont have crafters leveled its probably the best way to go
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Phone posted:What? yellow scrip gear can't reach the 1550 perception threshold, unless i'm missing something Bolow posted:lol it's like less than a million for the full set of gear and tools unless you're buying it fully crafted, and maybe 3-4million in materia. its been a while since i checked but i remembered the ornate yama stuff being several million a pop
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johnny park posted:yellow scrip gear can't reach the 1550 perception threshold, unless i'm missing something The ornate stuff is awarded only from wondrous tales and is basically "gently caress you I'm rich" glam like the Cassie earring. You want the non-ornate stuff which is actually craftable.
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johnny park posted:yellow scrip gear can't reach the 1550 perception threshold, unless i'm missing something Ornate Yama is from Wondrous Tails. It’s expensive because it doesn’t come from anywhere else.
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