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jeeves posted:The exact same people who have been making Discovery are making that show. I wonder how many people Picard will punch in the first episode.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The concept of a post-scarcity society is actually challenging to get across to an audience of capitalist plebs, and the combined forces of Star Trek going through trends just like any other show and the enormous variety of writers means that someone eventually just bridges the gap by going "OK they need money to do plot thing," without grappling with what that really means because Star Trek is not hard scifi. We don't get to simple things like "Well, we pay Quark money, as a joke" or "Why is the ship equipped with a public access VR room that can create or kill living things on its highest settings?" One of the things one of the DS9 writers said was that one of the hardest things to write around were replicators, because the most obvious solution to every problem is "replicate the thing that will solve the problem".
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Mar 18, 2019 19:13
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Peachfart posted:I wonder how many people Picard will punch in the first episode. He's going to punch Locutus
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Mar 18, 2019 19:24
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Peachfart posted:I wonder how many people Picard will punch in the first episode. How many people you got?!
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Mar 18, 2019 19:29
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picards arms are gonna transform into dune buggies and he’s gonna punch some romulans
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jeeves posted:The exact same people who have been making Discovery are making that show. It's written by Michael Chabon isn't it? So it's not really the same people
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Mar 18, 2019 20:09
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HD DAD posted:picards arms are gonna transform into dune buggies and he’s gonna punch some romulans A Reman scientist from the future makes a clone of Picard and Kirk perfectly blended to produce the ultimate Federation Captain. Picirk rises through the ranks of the Federation, being a backdoor for Reman influence. Meanwhile, Picard and B4 with arm phaser cannon take a cloaked Captain's Yacht to the future Reman time-ship which exists only inside an abandoned Borg transwarp tunnel. Discovering the truth about Picirk, they must ride the exploding time-ship through the collapsing transwarp tunnel in order to get to Earth just in time for Picard to fist-fight Picirk over the deep chasm in the heart of Starfleet HQ. In a bid to help Picard, Data uses a risky transporter maneuver, only to separate Picirk into Picard and Kirk, who both gang up on Picard. Looking deep inside himself, Picard activates a latent Borg implant, and becomes the powerful Good Locutus. The final showdown begins.
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Brawnfire posted:A Reman scientist from the future makes a clone of Picard and Kirk perfectly blended to produce the ultimate Federation Captain. Picirk rises through the ranks of the Federation, being a backdoor for Reman influence. Meanwhile, Picard and B4 with arm phaser cannon take a cloaked Captain's Yacht to the future Reman time-ship which exists only inside an abandoned Borg transwarp tunnel. Discovering the truth about Picirk, they must ride the exploding time-ship through the collapsing transwarp tunnel in order to get to Earth just in time for Picard to fist-fight Picirk over the deep chasm in the heart of Starfleet HQ. In a bid to help Picard, Data uses a risky transporter maneuver, only to separate Picirk into Picard and Kirk, who both gang up on Picard. Looking deep inside himself, Picard activates a latent Borg implant, and becomes the powerful Good Locutus. The final showdown begins. Star Trek: The Anime - coming to cinemas in March 2020.
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Mar 18, 2019 20:17
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Taear posted:It's written by Michael Chabon isn't it? So it's not really the same people He's one of the writers. Others include James Duff (The Closer / Major Crimes), Kirsten Beyer (who works on Discovery) and Akiva Goldsman (of Batman Forever / Batman & Robin fame; he also worked on Discovery's first season). Timby fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 20:47
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Peachfart posted:I wonder how many people Picard will punch in the first episode. Just Q. Then he high fives Sisko as he exits the wormhole. Picard: "Thanks, no one told me I could just do that."
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Mar 18, 2019 21:37
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Timby posted:He's one of the writers. Others include James Duff (The Closer / Major Crimes), Kirsten Beyer (who works on Discovery) and Akiva Goldsman (of Batman Forever / Batman & Robin fame; he also worked on Discovery's first season). 
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Mar 18, 2019 21:59
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Yes, Akiva has written extremely varied projects. His name is a confusing thing to see on any project, you never know which way it's gonna go.
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Mar 18, 2019 22:16
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Yes, Akiva has written extremely varied projects. His name is a confusing thing to see on any project, you never know which way it's gonna go. I just looked him up on Wikipedia, and looks like someone's been editing his page lmao 
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I mean, he's pretty hacky, so I can't totally disagree with this unbiased and reasonable passage.
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Epicurius posted:One of the things one of the DS9 writers said was that one of the hardest things to write around were replicators, because the most obvious solution to every problem is "replicate the thing that will solve the problem". What, you mean we can just replicate more soil reclamators? Nah, I'd rather send in the army to take them from these poor farmers with a history of conducting guerrilla warfare, what could possibly go wrong
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Mar 18, 2019 23:54
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Epicurius posted:One of the things one of the DS9 writers said was that one of the hardest things to write around were replicators, because the most obvious solution to every problem is "replicate the thing that will solve the problem". That's loving lazy writing. "Help, the only plotlines we can come up with are a Hunt For An Item." DS9 was at least good enough to know not to go to town on this kind of story... usually.
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Pakled posted:What, you mean we can just replicate more soil reclamators? Nah, I'd rather send in the army to take them from these poor farmers with a history of conducting guerrilla warfare, what could possibly go wrong The episode Shakaar is a perfect example of how the plot makes a lot more sense when you assume economic pressure. For those of you who don't know, the plot of the episode is that Bajor has soil reclamators, these technomagic machines that can repair damaged or toxic soil, which is good, because when the Cardassians left, they destroyed and poisoned a lot of the land. The reclamators are currently being used by these farmers (who are led by the leader of Kira's resistance cell) to fix the land in their home province so that they can grow crops, but they won't give them up, and the Bajoran government wants the reclamators so that they can grow cash crops for export. The farmers have gone back to their guerrilla ways and Kira is sent to get the reclamators back. So, the Kai says, in regards to why they need the reclamators: "In six months, it will be planting season in Rakantha. By this time next year, we can be producing boton, moreka and salam grass. All valuable commodities for export. If we can attract interstellar commerce to Bajor, it will only enhance our application for membership in the Federation." That's one of those fairly vague statements, and it probably makes more sense to say, "All valuable commodities for export, which will give us hard currency so that we can bring in supplies to help us rebuild our world".
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Whalley posted:That's loving lazy writing. "Help, the only plotlines we can come up with are a Hunt For An Item." Here's Ronald Moore's statement: quote:Replicators are the worst thing ever. Destroys storytelling all the time. They mean there's no value to anything. Nothing has value in the universe if you can just replicate everything, so all that goes away. Nothing is unique; if you break something, you can just make another one. If something breaks on the ship, it's "Oh, no big deal, Geordie can just go down to engineering and make another doozywhatsit." Or they go to a planet and that planet needed something: "Oh, hey, let's make them what they need!" We just hated it and tried to forget about it as much as possible.
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The obvious solution to me seems to be making it so that various materials cost prohibitively larger amounts of energy, to the point where "just replicate X thing" would require several starships worth of energy. Having a post-scarcity socialist future doesn't free you from physical laws, and even an organization as theoretically benevolent as the Federation is gonna blanch if they're asked to pick up a humungous (energy) tab for some remote backwater.
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Vermain posted:The obvious solution to me seems to be making it so that various materials cost prohibitively larger amounts of energy, to the point where "just replicate X thing" would require several starships worth of energy. Having a post-scarcity socialist future doesn't free you from physical laws, and even an organization as theoretically benevolent as the Federation is gonna blanch if they're asked to pick up a humungous (energy) tab for some remote backwater. Unfortunately Star Trek seems to hate large scales and shrinks everything to playset size.
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I bet some nerd has made a list of every time replicators were used and for what.
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Epicurius posted:Here's Ronald Moore's statement: He's kind of a loving idiot, isn't he? 
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Brawnfire posted:A Reman scientist from the future makes a clone of Picard and Kirk perfectly blended to produce the ultimate Federation Captain. Picirk rises through the ranks of the Federation, being a backdoor for Reman influence. Meanwhile, Picard and B4 with arm phaser cannon take a cloaked Captain's Yacht to the future Reman time-ship which exists only inside an abandoned Borg transwarp tunnel. Discovering the truth about Picirk, they must ride the exploding time-ship through the collapsing transwarp tunnel in order to get to Earth just in time for Picard to fist-fight Picirk over the deep chasm in the heart of Starfleet HQ. In a bid to help Picard, Data uses a risky transporter maneuver, only to separate Picirk into Picard and Kirk, who both gang up on Picard. Looking deep inside himself, Picard activates a latent Borg implant, and becomes the powerful Good Locutus. The final showdown begins... ...only to be interrupted by the only one who can save them, their descendant from the future, Dark Admiral Hyperriker,
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Mar 19, 2019 00:57
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Feline supplement #420: 69 times.
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Epicurius posted:Here's Ronald Moore's statement: Translation: "I literally can't imagine the civilization I was hired to write stories about."
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This is the guy who was super proud of Kirk’s death in Generations.
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I feel bitching about this is like bitching that they don't just teleport the warp core out of an enemy ship the second the shields go down or hundreds of other things in every Star Trek series where they don't use the tech to the logical conclusion to keep things somewhat grounded.
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Mar 19, 2019 02:23
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Epicurius posted:Here's Ronald Moore's statement: His statement's a dummy and implies that people have never had a problem that can't be solved with a trinket
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Mar 19, 2019 02:36
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He's not completely wrong, look at the hoops Voyager had jump through making 'replicator rations' and Holodecks incomprehensibly running off some unique standalone power source that the rest of the ship couldn't use
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Mar 19, 2019 02:53
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Vermain posted:The obvious solution to me seems to be making it so that various materials cost prohibitively larger amounts of energy, to the point where "just replicate X thing" would require several starships worth of energy. Having a post-scarcity socialist future doesn't free you from physical laws, and even an organization as theoretically benevolent as the Federation is gonna blanch if they're asked to pick up a humungous (energy) tab for some remote backwater. Replicators must use an absolutely insane amount of energy. On a starship that literally warps space that amount of energy is a rounding error. In mass use on a planet it would require massive engineering work to just deliver the energy to replicators, especially if you are replicating larger objects with hundreds of thousands times the mass of Picards morning Earl Grey.
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Cythereal posted:Translation: "I literally can't imagine the civilization I was hired to write stories about." Actual problem: earlier writers didn't fully think through the implications of the technology they decided to make up. Also see: Transporters
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Brawnfire posted:Unfortunately Star Trek seems to hate large scales and shrinks everything to playset size. One of my biggest gripes is that photon torpedoes mostly seem to be like your average bunker-buster today: a sizable boom, but a far, far cry from what even a small matter/antimatter reaction would yield. I did the math once and a single kilogram of antimatter should result in an explosion in the 60+ megaton range.
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Pick posted:wooow, leaning on Spock? that is just crazy I'm a few pages late, but I made this GIF to help serve us in discussing modern Star Trek moving forward  EDIT: 
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Senor Tron posted:Replicators must use an absolutely insane amount of energy. On a starship that literally warps space that amount of energy is a rounding error. In mass use on a planet it would require massive engineering work to just deliver the energy to replicators, especially if you are replicating larger objects with hundreds of thousands times the mass of Picards morning Earl Grey. I guessed pretty much exactly this, and it explains most things. They're inefficient, but in places like a starship and space station where space is at a premium and energy is plentiful, it's worth it to be able to get exactly what you want right away without having to deal with the logistics of it. One episode does mention the Federation sending aid to Cardassia in the form of 'industrial replicators', which can be presumed to be large replicators which can produce much larger hardware and equipment. (how to power them can be a question, but all else fails you could probably just land a starship and plug it in) Seemlar posted:He's not completely wrong, look at the hoops Voyager had jump through making 'replicator rations' and Holodecks incomprehensibly running off some unique standalone power source that the rest of the ship couldn't use Pretty much yeah, though I can absolutely see lonely and thus motivated Starfleet engineers figuring out some technological miracle for Holodecks that's impossible to reuse for anything else because of poor documentation and/or crashed UFO technology. (and not sure how figurative I'm being there)
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Seemlar posted:He's not completely wrong, look at the hoops Voyager had jump through making 'replicator rations' and Holodecks incomprehensibly running off some unique standalone power source that the rest of the ship couldn't use 80% of Voyager battles were *take one hit* "our transporters are down!! and our shuttles stopped existing" then they return one hit and "disable their weapons"
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socialsecurity posted:80% of Voyager battles were *take one hit* "our transporters are down!! and our shuttles stopped existing" then they return one hit and "disable their weapons" More like "our shuttles exploded, and each piece is growing into a new shuttle!"
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Senor Tron posted:Replicators must use an absolutely insane amount of energy. On a starship that literally warps space that amount of energy is a rounding error. In mass use on a planet it would require massive engineering work to just deliver the energy to replicators, especially if you are replicating larger objects with hundreds of thousands times the mass of Picards morning Earl Grey. Energy's probably the easier part: an ongoing grid for distributing the matter would probably be way harder, although it's probably part of the same infrastructure. (Replicators don't create raw elements, they just source it from tankage and rearrange it) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Mar 19, 2019 |
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Mar 19, 2019 04:55
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I'm a few pages late, but I made this GIF to help serve us in discussing modern Star Trek moving forward you have no idea how badly I needed this and I didn't even know it thank you
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Timby posted:He's one of the writers. Others include James Duff (The Closer / Major Crimes), Kirsten Beyer (who works on Discovery) and Akiva Goldsman (of Batman Forever / Batman & Robin fame; he also worked on Discovery's first season). Wait they fired Goldsman from Disco for tensions and for abusing the writers and now they have him back for the Picard show?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I'm a few pages late, but I made this GIF to help serve us in discussing modern Star Trek moving forward i love this. i love this more than i have ever loved anything.
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