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Are they supposed to look different? I don't notice.
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Brawnfire posted:Let's have Commodore Robert April take the yoke for a bit why not Lets go full on crazy and get a season of Garth of Izar hijinks. Like right after he started going nuts but before he was diagnosed and committed! Drone posted:*Majel Barrett voice* As bad as the Pocket Books could be before the reboot and having a cohesive editor and continuity about 15 years ago, the Bantam Star Trek books were a special kind of hell. But a fascinating look at early Trek fandom.
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Mar 20, 2019 00:41
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Epicurius posted:Are they supposed to look different? I don't notice. Some of the soap opera blur is corrected.
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Mar 20, 2019 00:59
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Looking for someone to share my improvised cocoon with. Big music fan, love everything pretty much (except Klingon). Must be logical!
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Mar 20, 2019 01:36
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Epicurius posted:Are they supposed to look different? I don't notice. Where I see it most is the effects shots like when the ships are shown and on some of the lcars graphics behind people.
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Mar 20, 2019 02:04
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Epicurius posted:Are they supposed to look different? I don't notice. If you view it on a phone, you won't see any difference. On a laptop/desktop at full 1080p, as Sodomy says, faces and objects are sharper. In the scene with Admiral Ross and Sisko, the graphics on the background screen are much more defined and straightedge. Scenes with ships in space in motion are much sharper.
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Mar 20, 2019 02:07
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There's only so much you can do with footage like that. These upscaling algorithms have to be trained, and it would be really interesting to see someone use original versus remastered TNG footage to do that.
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Mar 20, 2019 02:19
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I would personally like to see DS9 HD-remastered with Deep Dream.
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Mar 20, 2019 02:59
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mnn4a-Iqc0
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Mar 20, 2019 03:01
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Some of the soap opera blur is corrected. It really shows up on the TOS remaster with that program:   Takes the vaseline right off the lenses, it does!
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Mar 20, 2019 03:02
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Senor Tron posted:There's only so much you can do with footage like that. These upscaling algorithms have to be trained, and it would be really interesting to see someone use original versus remastered TNG footage to do that. I wonder how much of the remastering budget they could save if they used the AI for any shot that has compositing going on and rescanned film for the rest. And yeah, they could train the algorithms on a frame from the DVD master vs. a freshly scanned frame of film.
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Mar 20, 2019 03:15
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Yeah, there's one other time and it's in TOS of all things, and it's actually a little overboard. In Obsession Kirk chases a gaseous being through space, and eventually traps it with an antimatter bomb that wipes out the atmosphere on a planet. The remaster has an awesome shot of the planet as they fly away with a huge crater and most of the planet's original features erased; I saved screenshots on my main computer that are named before-kirk.jpg and after-kirk.jpg. Phoneposting now but I'll try to remember to upload them tonight. Here they are. I almost forgot.  
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Mar 20, 2019 03:20
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Kirk boned that planet
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Mar 20, 2019 03:30
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Drone posted:Hated this book lots! But had a good amount of fun live blogging it. Check it out if you're a glutton for punishment: Vulcan! by Kathleen Sky. If you 'enjoyed' her work, you can also check out her other novel, "Death's Angel", where the self-insert character's a member of the 'Special Security Division' of Starfleet, a special branch known for, and I quote, 'Gestapo-like techniques', 'a necessary force but a feared one'. There's a whole section at the back describing their uniforms and rank insignia, so if you want to cosplay as someone's fanfic Starfleet stormtrooper, you can be sure you're being accurate!
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Mar 20, 2019 03:57
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that author lived the dream
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Mar 20, 2019 03:59
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We may not be getting a real remaster but I'd love a DS9 that combined an AI upscale like that with a manual color/lighting regrade.
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Mar 20, 2019 04:00
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Angry Salami posted:If you 'enjoyed' her work, you can also check out her other novel, "Death's Angel", where the self-insert character's a member of the 'Special Security Division' of Starfleet, a special branch known for, and I quote, 'Gestapo-like techniques', 'a necessary force but a feared one'. The gently caress? Sounds like the Mirror Universe. Is this like the main timeline except Terra Prime gained a foothold in the Starfleet government?
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Mar 20, 2019 04:06
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why are so many trekkies literally fash
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Mar 20, 2019 04:07
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Angry Salami posted:If you 'enjoyed' her work, you can also check out her other novel, "Death's Angel", where the self-insert character's a member of the 'Special Security Division' of Starfleet, a special branch known for, and I quote, 'Gestapo-like techniques', 'a necessary force but a feared one'. Ahhhhh, section thirty-two
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Mar 20, 2019 04:08
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Tighclops posted:why are so many trekkies literally fash fash i can almost get but trek libertarians are a true mystery
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Mar 20, 2019 04:15
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The Federation as depicted by TNG and DS9 was an honest to god communist SJW utopia and probably the only time such a thing has been presented to mainstream audiences as a good and achievable goal for humanity, so I can only assume right-wing Trekkies are some of the dumbest and least observant people on Earth.
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Mar 20, 2019 08:12
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Speaking of bad Trek books from the mid-seventies who were written by authors with incorrect political opinions, I also recently read The Price of the Phoenix by Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath. Turns out both of them are massive, lifelong Objectivists who firmly believe that Star Trek advances Ayn Rand's ideals, and I just can't fathom the level of mental gymnastics they have to pull off to come to that conclusion. They were also both apparently heavy-hitters in that weird era of fandom between TOS and TMP and their Wiki pages paint a picture of them as being pretty much only famous for liking Star Trek, writing a couple really lovely books, doing filk, and being objectivist assholes, all the while living together their entire lives in what is definitely not a closeted relationship. The main adversary in the book is a literal superman, a mountain of muscle and flesh with a keen Randian genius brain to boot, who has established his own sort of Galt's Gulch planet that reeks of Rapture from Bioshock, and the entire book rotates between him philosophizing about the Federation's pansy-rear end moral interventionist attitude and blahblahblahblahblah, and a poo poo ton of homoerotic scenes where he's Greco-Roman wrestling with Kirk/Kirk's Clone and/or Spock. At one point he actually nearly succeeds in "breaking" Kirk to be his sex slave on his Randian paradise planet for all eternity. There are some very fine people among fans of Star Trek. Drone fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Mar 20, 2019 |
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Mar 20, 2019 08:21
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Oh, Marshak and Culbreath are their own brand of old-school fandom crazy. I found this quote from David Gerrold about them: "I met those two women once. One of them began her conversation with, "What you Star Trek writers don't understand--" Oh, really? I was trained by Gene L. Coon and D.C. Fontana. "--is that Kirk secretly wants to be raped by Spock." I gnawed off a leg and escaped. So that might be part of my skepticism. The sentence, "What you Star Trek writers don't understand--" coming from a self-appointed expert who'd never been closer than 3000 miles to the actual creation of the show." Or there's their adventures in political activism: "Dave Nolan started the Committee to Organize a Libertarian Party...In his initial draft platform for the LP, Nolan called for withdrawal from Vietnam. Unfortunately, Myrna Culbreath denounced the idea of surrending in Vietnam, and urged more bombing. She basically filibustered until the delegates deleted any reference to Vietnam in the platform. She then dropped out of the LP altogether." Great people all round!
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Mar 20, 2019 10:09
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Brawnfire posted:The gently caress? Sounds like the Mirror Universe. Is this like the main timeline except Terra Prime gained a foothold in the Starfleet government? It's the 70s so it's just TOS stuff, not that crazy to think it could exist in the universe of TOS!
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Mar 20, 2019 10:14
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Angry Salami posted:Oh, Marshak and Culbreath are their own brand of old-school fandom crazy. I found this quote from David Gerrold about them: I love that the Gerrold quote frames it not as a couple of insane idiots, but as a pissing contest. "I, who trained in the dojo with Coon and Fontana, had to listen to this insolence!"
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Mar 20, 2019 10:23
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Angry Salami posted:Oh, Marshak and Culbreath are their own brand of old-school fandom crazy. My dumb little free time project over the past few weeks/months has been reading my way through old lovely Trek books in publishing order, because that window of what Star Trek was in the pre-TNG days is just completely fascinating and different to what we have now. I've been writing reviews/roasts of each one and am building up a little bit of a backlog before I start putting them up on a Wordpress somewhere for nobody to ever read. And because there was a metric poo poo ton of: racism (casual and otherwise), sexism (always blatant), Kirk/Spock slash fiction with just the bearest hint of window dressing to make it seem like maybe it wasn't about how much they wanted to bone or how their love for each other transcends galaxies, complete misunderstanding or failing to predict the ideological bent that Star Trek has/would later cement (like in the Marshak and Culbreath example). Drone fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Mar 20, 2019 |
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Mar 20, 2019 10:36
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Drone posted:My dumb little free time project over the past few weeks/months has been reading my way through old lovely Trek books in publishing order, because that window of what Star Trek was in the pre-TNG days is just completely fascinating and different to what we have now. I've been writing reviews/roasts of each one and am building up a little bit of a backlog before I start putting them up on a Wordpress somewhere for nobody to ever read. Even worse than pre-Empire Strikes Back Star Wars fiction (in which no one knew any real setting details, especially surrounding the Force, so the books/comics went a little bugfuck).
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Mar 20, 2019 11:00
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Drone posted:My dumb little free time project over the past few weeks/months has been reading my way through old lovely Trek books in publishing order, because that window of what Star Trek was in the pre-TNG days is just completely fascinating and different to what we have now. I've been writing reviews/roasts of each one and am building up a little bit of a backlog before I start putting them up on a Wordpress somewhere for nobody to ever read. If you can find them, the Best of Trek books were collected articles from the 70s and early 80s from Trek Magazine and have a great look at fandom of the time. Also the "New Voyages" short story collections had fanfiction-there were two of those.
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Astroman posted:Also the "New Voyages" short story collections had fanfiction-there were two of those. Yep, I've already read (and drafted a review of) the first one. It was... bad, but not nearly in the same way as the one I liveblogged here yesterday. Mostly just lots of barely-concealed slash fiction or just generally poorly-written, strangely-thought-out garbage. There was this gem though, which I only wrote a paragraph summary about : quote:The Enterprise takes shore leave on some planet somewhere, who gives a poo poo where. Kirk beams down with Sulu and McCoy and they take in some shopping -- Sulu sees a “neo-samurai” outfit that he wants (because of course the Space
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FuturePastNow posted:The Federation as depicted by TNG and DS9 was an honest to god communist SJW utopia and probably the only time such a thing has been presented to mainstream audiences as a good and achievable goal for humanity, so I can only assume right-wing Trekkies are some of the dumbest and least observant people on Earth. On the face of it, Star Trek is the military defending democracy. The Federation often parallels the USA, with non-Federation aliens representing other, obviously worse countries. Sure, Earth is now a hippie utopia, but we usually don't see it, we see the military. And anyway, the only way to achieve that utopia was probably through the military being really good and solving all the problems. Meanwhile, the military is currently trying to keep peace but occasionally has no choice but to blow stuff up. Right-wingers are (or at least, were) okay with the vague idea of peace and diversity, but don't believe it's achievable in the real world so long as [x] exists, and we need to either defeat [x] or make them more like us first. I think DS9 (aka The Least Popular One) came closest to confronting this -- even though it's also the one with the stuff about war and religion that could definitely be seen as right-wing on the surface. It's the one that comes closest to presenting the idea that alien cultures are just as valid as our own. When they show the Federation not being perfect, you could see that as attacking Roddenberry's leftist ideals, but you could also (more accurately IMO) see it as confronting the American Exceptionalism that sort of accidentally emerged from the Federation concept as various writers have attempted to make sense of it and used it for various conflicting metaphors. Of course, these days, anyone even moderately conservative would probably never get exposed to something like that and make their own decisions about it because some dummy goes on YouTube and points out all the secret liberal messages trying to poison their mind, and so if you watch the show you're declaring your allegiance to the ghost of Stalin. In conclusion, the Alpha Quadrant is a land of contrasts. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Mar 20, 2019 |
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Mar 20, 2019 13:45
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Taear posted:It's the 70s so it's just TOS stuff, not that crazy to think it could exist in the universe of TOS! Gestapo-like tactics? Really? I'll have to revisit TOS with the idea of Starfleet rounding up unwanted aliens and political dissidents to ship to the extermination moon.
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Mar 20, 2019 13:51
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Brawnfire posted:Gestapo-like tactics? Really? I'll have to revisit TOS with the idea of Starfleet rounding up unwanted aliens and political dissidents to ship to the extermination moon. So Section 31 then 
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Mar 20, 2019 14:02
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A lot of the things you think of as "barely concealed slash" are just from the days when men had friends, it's a cultural shift.
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Mar 20, 2019 14:42
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Pick posted:A lot of the things you think of as "barely concealed slash" are just from the days when men had friends, it's a cultural shift. 
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Mar 20, 2019 14:51
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TOS Star Trek, at least was just late 60s America in space, from taking on space racists to worrying about your star ship being hijacked by counterculture hippies, to men not being afraid to show their feelings, to being stuck in a Cold War with a totalitarian empire that you can,t go to war with directly because if you do, some supernatural force will destroy you, to worrying about automation, to being concerned about how far feminism really will go, to getting involved in space Vietnam even though you feel really uneasy about it. I can sort of see libertarians liking TOS. It's not libertarian, but it's also not Fully Automated Gay Luxury Space Communism.
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Mar 20, 2019 14:56
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Yeah from a certain point of view it's sort of rugged individualism embodied in the captain. They are far from home and the ultimate authority aboard their vessel, where a strict hierarchy is maintained. In TOS, you are Kirk, genius historian, ladies man, pugilist, captain of Cowboy Diplomacy!
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Mar 20, 2019 14:59
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quote:What you Star Trek writers don't understand is that Kirk secretly wants to be raped by Seems legit
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Mar 20, 2019 15:02
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TOS doesn’t have a unified political point of view, as befits its status as a collaborative work led by guys of such diverse political opinion (or want thereof) as Roddenberry, Coon, Meredyth Lucas, Freiberger, let alone all the other various writers. Its diversity of opinion is part of what makes it live in the memory, it was immensely relevant to an age of questioning moral orthodoxy. Roddenberry’s stuff tends to be very much beating a drum for the American space military on the wild frontier, whereas Coon’s stuff tends to be much more skeptical of the state, the military, almost everything really. I wouldn’t call him a libertarian, but you could certainly read his relatively cynical view of the Federation and Starfleet (both first named by him btw) that way.
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skasion posted:TOS doesn’t have a unified political point of view, as befits its status as a collaborative work led by guys of such diverse political opinion (or want thereof) as Roddenberry, Coon, Meredyth Lucas, Freiberger, let alone all the other various writers. Its diversity of opinion is part of what makes it live in the memory, it was immensely relevant to an age of questioning moral orthodoxy. Roddenberry’s stuff tends to be very much beating a drum for the American space military on the wild frontier, whereas Coon’s stuff tends to be much more skeptical of the state, the military, almost everything really. I wouldn’t call him a libertarian, but you could certainly read his relatively cynical view of the Federation and Starfleet (both first named by him btw) that way. That sort of makes me like it more, in the same way I like short story collections. I don't have a central thesis in my life beyond personal belief as to what are positive and negative acts. I'll disagree with myself over and over again during the course of reading or listening to other's input, and it's cool to experience fiction where actually different paradigms are explaining themselves and their conflicts are reasonable, rational. It is far more evocative than a Hollywood liberal trying to write a hardline conservative, a Utah Mormon trying to write an eco-activist, an American trying to write a staunch medieval monarchist, etc. You sense the flimsiness of whatever a singular author doesn't personally ascribe to, it loses its punch. There's so many times that you see high-minded rhetoric being assumed by everyone on TNG whereas Bones would have been calling it feel-good bullshit that will kill everyone for no good reason. Kirk and Spock and McCoy are such a wonderful triple set of ways to deal with the world, any storyline that goes through that machine has to end up an interesting shape.
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Epicurius posted:TOS Star Trek, at least was just late 60s America in space, from taking on space racists to worrying about your star ship being hijacked by counterculture hippies, to men not being afraid to show their feelings, to being stuck in a Cold War with a totalitarian empire that you can,t go to war with directly because if you do, some supernatural force will destroy you, to worrying about automation, to being concerned about how far feminism really will go, to getting involved in space Vietnam even though you feel really uneasy about it. TOS definetely has more of a capitalist/libertarian bent than TNG and the rest that started leaning heavily into the Automated Gay Luxury Space Communism, and that bears out in the fiction that was written around it. The Kobayashi Maru (the TOS novel not the ENT novel), has, as part of Chekov's story about the test, him being criticized by the instructing Admiral for self-destructing a "several million credit starship" (as an aside, the audiobook version of this is neat if only for James Doohan putting his vocal skills to work voicing everyone). Dreadnought (man I just cannot stop loving talking about that book apparently) has WWIII be the result of "collectivism". Stuff like that. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Mar 20, 2019 |
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